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Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:00:41 »
Someone make a decision for me.

Literally pulling the trigger based on the replies in this thread.

Things that are concerning me if someone could shed some light.

Leopold - I like the design a bit better, however it seems as it is not easily upgradable. If I wanted an aluminum case down the road or other keycaps, it seems as Poker II is what most posts are about.

Poker II - Doesn't look as high quality as the Leopold and doesn't come with base color options such as red, blue, grey and black. (looking to get the grey case with light grey thick PBTs that come with the Leopold)

Both are in stock over at "E-Sports Gaming Equipment".

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:13:25 »
I recently bought a Poker II, but I had been thinking the same as far as picking between that and the Leopold FC660. I don't know how much you use dedicated arrow keys, but seeing as that is another very obvious difference between the two keyboards it could influence your decision. I'm a software developer and I'm used to using the arrow keys heavily throughout the day.  This is my main complaint about the Poker II.  You can lock out the WASD to be arrows by pressing Fn+spacebar, but I typically also hold control or meta while using the arrow keys to jump words with the curser as well as many other purposes.  I just find it more comfortable to use my right hand for arrow keys if I'm not gaming. Aside from this gripe, I definitely think the variety of options is much more plentiful for the Poker II right now. And you can't really beat that symmetrical look in my opinion. You'll find many people whine about the Leopolds "unused space" on the right side of the keyboard. If you buy the Poker II version without LEDs and want them you can even solder some in since the PCB is the same for all Poker II keyboards and the firmware supports LEDs on the non-LED ones as well.  My recommendation is unless you want the Topre switches, which are available for some extra coin on the Leopold, get the Poker.  If you like Topre or as most people seem to want to try them after a while you might consider the Leopold.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:18:25 »
Well I have close variants to your choices.. I have a poker X which is less features of a Poker II but I love it because its the original Poker. Can swap aluminum cases (a must) full keysets including spacebar swap.  I have a FC660C which is the Topre version. Great silent switches but plastic case, meh. BUT it has arrows and a delete key. So it is actually my daily. I may get a 660M one day and lube it though...

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:19:11 »
Leopold!
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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:30:02 »
Poker II
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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:36:11 »
I chose the 660M over the poker II because I wanted a ~60% board with dedicated arrow keys, and I've heard build quality is slightly better on the leopold, but I wouldn't know cause I havent tried the poker II lol

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:38:41 »
So basically get the Leopold Topre and get a Poker II as well?

I know it isn't what anyone said, but we all know that's what I'm going to wind up doing... Especially now since I wanted someone to sway me in one direction, but instead find out the Leopold has Topre, is slimmer than the Realforce I was considering for my Topre and has arrow keys unlike the HHK which I always wanted (and is closer in design).

Luckily my girl owes me money so she can't say "ANOTHER KEYBOARD(s)?"


Maybe it would be a good idea to jump on that Topre Clack in the classfields... hmmmm

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:39:44 »
Yes get both. Treasure them both until you get bored and sell em.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:41:51 »
Yes get both. Treasure them both until you get bored and sell em.

There is much truth in your statement.


P.S. Am I the only one who thinks the two keys off to the side is a great place to put some novelty keys instead of being "wasted space"?

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:43:08 »
Yes get both. Treasure them both until you get bored and sell em.

There is much truth in your statement.


P.S. Am I the only one who thinks the two keys off to the side is a great place to put some novelty keys instead of being "wasted space"?

haha that's what I / most GHers do :p

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:46:12 »
Luckily my girl owes me money so she can't say "ANOTHER KEYBOARD(s)?"

I'm glad I'm not the only one with a girlfriend saying "ANOTHER KEYBOARD"??? Add all my coworkers to that list too. 

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:46:58 »
Just FYI: Leopold also has the option for MX clears from the get go, if'n that float your boat.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 18:55:31 »
Just FYI: Leopold also has the option for MX clears from the get go, if'n that float your boat.

why... WHY DID YOU JUST DO THIS TO ME.


Just kidding (only a little :P), did you see my other post where I was looking to pick up a WASD Code with clears? Because I was originally going to go with Clears over Topres (for the time being). I always wanted a Topre but from my understanding clears are very close to Topre and I thought it might be easier to pick up clears for future key cap purchases.

This yields another question which I am sure is also going to give split answers. Eherm, clears vs Topres, which should I go!?

Now I know that is a highly subjective questions so let me give you an example as to my goal. I use MX Reds and love them for gaming, but I am a bit meh with them for typing. I like tactile feedback and already plan on picking up a board with MX Blues (owned one a while ago. Razer garbage). However, I want something with prominent tactile feedback but with a more crisp/tight typing experience.

Thoughts?

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 22:28:53 »
Well Ive had a ton of MX and Topre boards. Have sold all except my Leopold FC660C 45g Topre (end game topre), Poker X w clears and pure limited aluminum case, and Ducky Mini w reds and pure limited aluminum case. So yes go with leopold 45g topre and poker with clears, you will be set for good.  :thumb:

PS: I love the 2 keys on the side, above the arrows. I use 1 for novelty and 1 for a delete key from a realforce, looks great!

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 23:47:18 »
Well Ive had a ton of MX and Topre boards. Have sold all except my Leopold FC660C 45g Topre (end game topre), Poker X w clears and pure limited aluminum case, and Ducky Mini w reds and pure limited aluminum case. So yes go with leopold 45g topre and poker with clears, you will be set for good.  :thumb:

PS: I love the 2 keys on the side, above the arrows. I use 1 for novelty and 1 for a delete key from a realforce, looks great!

Nice, basically where I'm looking to be in terms of variety.

So there is a clear (no pun intended) difference between Clears and Topre? I'm guessing especially since the Leopold is 45g while clears have a heavier spring?

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 00:46:24 »
Well Ive had a ton of MX and Topre boards. Have sold all except my Leopold FC660C 45g Topre (end game topre), Poker X w clears and pure limited aluminum case, and Ducky Mini w reds and pure limited aluminum case. So yes go with leopold 45g topre and poker with clears, you will be set for good.  :thumb:

PS: I love the 2 keys on the side, above the arrows. I use 1 for novelty and 1 for a delete key from a realforce, looks great!

Nice, basically where I'm looking to be in terms of variety.

So there is a clear (no pun intended) difference between Clears and Topre? I'm guessing especially since the Leopold is 45g while clears have a heavier spring?

Yes complete different feel. 45g is my favorite topre and clears are my favorite MX. 67g springs is what I'm thinking for my next board.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 05:08:10 »
I just got a Poker II and have been loving it so far, though it's worth taking my opinion with a grain of salt as I have only used one other mechanical keyboard so far in my life.  That said, I really do like the way it looks, typeface on the keys aside (they're gonna get swapped out soon enough anyway).  My main complaint so far is the lack of arrow keys, which I guess I'd never realized just how much I rely on while browsing the Internet.  I do miss those, but it also has led me toward the Vimium Chrome Extension, which is better than having arrow keys (for web browsing at least).

I guess one other thing to take into consideration is whether or not you think you'd use the Poker II's programming mode.  Someone correct me if I am wrong, but the Leopold does not have that feature, right?  I don't know if I'll use it too often, but it does seem like a nice way to have some app/text shortcuts, etc.  I imagine there are good ways to put it to use.  I did set up mine to bring up the Spotlight menu in OS X and open some common programs and files.  It's neat, though ultimately just a small convenience I doubt I'll use too often.

As far as build quality, etc., seems fine so far.  Only had it for a day, though.

Oh right, one extra thing: I think it's less that I miss the arrow keys as it is that I am not totally crazy about WASD being the keys to replace them with.  Yeah, yeah, FPS conventions, etc., but meh.  It's kind of awkward without shifting your left hand's fingers one key to the left.
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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 05:09:55 »
Someone make a decision for me.

Literally pulling the trigger based on the replies in this thread.

Things that are concerning me if someone could shed some light.

Leopold - I like the design a bit better, however it seems as it is not easily upgradable. If I wanted an aluminum case down the road or other keycaps, it seems as Poker II is what most posts are about.

Poker II - Doesn't look as high quality as the Leopold and doesn't come with base color options such as red, blue, grey and black. (looking to get the grey case with light grey thick PBTs that come with the Leopold)

Both are in stock over at "E-Sports Gaming Equipment".

I have both of these keyboards and I recommend the Poker 2 with this:
  http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57723.msg1313182#msg1313182

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 06:17:39 »
I have been using a Poker II at work for web development for the last 6 months and I absolutely love it. The layout works perfect and the fact you can customize the keycaps and case very easy is the reason I went with this board in the first place. Leopold was the first company I ever purchased a board from and after there "weird" keycap sizing, I have been turned off from them ever since. 

Saying the Poker II is not as high quality IMHO is completely wrong. For a 60% board with a plate it has a great build quality and the keycaps are really very nice ( PBT version). If you decide to get a Poker get the PBT version because everything is on the board that you need to add leds later on if you would like. Also check out the TEX cases on mechanicalkeyboards.com. They are really nice and make the Poker feel very indestructible, but cause some switches to sound louder while using it since the case is aluminum.

Good luck in your decision.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 11:31:36 »
I have been using a Poker II at work for web development for the last 6 months and I absolutely love it. The layout works perfect and the fact you can customize the keycaps and case very easy is the reason I went with this board in the first place. Leopold was the first company I ever purchased a board from and after there "weird" keycap sizing, I have been turned off from them ever since. 

Saying the Poker II is not as high quality IMHO is completely wrong. For a 60% board with a plate it has a great build quality and the keycaps are really very nice ( PBT version). If you decide to get a Poker get the PBT version because everything is on the board that you need to add leds later on if you would like. Also check out the TEX cases on mechanicalkeyboards.com. They are really nice and make the Poker feel very indestructible, but cause some switches to sound louder while using it since the case is aluminum.

Good luck in your decision.

I think they were comparing the quality of the Poker II to the Leopold 60% I am debating. I've read several other reviews that confirm the Leopold feels slightly more solid. Not to take anything away from the Poker II or your board, but I value your opinion. Do you also have both that you are comparing or have you not gotten your hands on that Leopold 60%? Topre or otherwise.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 12:03:51 »
I think they were comparing the quality of the Poker II to the Leopold 60% I am debating. I've read several other reviews that confirm the Leopold feels slightly more solid. Not to take anything away from the Poker II or your board, but I value your opinion. Do you also have both that you are comparing or have you not gotten your hands on that Leopold 60%? Topre or otherwise.

Tried the 660 my friend was using with blues. I wasn't really a fan of it but it might have been because I'm not a fan of the switch so it didn't feel right to me. Probably would have got a better feeling of it if it was using browns or reds. As far as "solid" goes I think they feel similar but still more of a fan of the layout and feel of the Poker over the 660.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 12:06:40 »
Poker 2. More options for keycaps and cases.
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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 17:08:21 »
I think they were comparing the quality of the Poker II to the Leopold 60% I am debating. I've read several other reviews that confirm the Leopold feels slightly more solid. Not to take anything away from the Poker II or your board, but I value your opinion. Do you also have both that you are comparing or have you not gotten your hands on that Leopold 60%? Topre or otherwise.

Tried the 660 my friend was using with blues. I wasn't really a fan of it but it might have been because I'm not a fan of the switch so it didn't feel right to me. Probably would have got a better feeling of it if it was using browns or reds. As far as "solid" goes I think they feel similar but still more of a fan of the layout and feel of the Poker over the 660.

Cool, thanks for your insight. However, I think I am going to go with the 660 as Topre since I put in an interest check for Duck Viper. I am going to buy that as my Cherry 60% board. Hopefully someone will be able to assemble it for me.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:21:26 »
I think they were comparing the quality of the Poker II to the Leopold 60% I am debating. I've read several other reviews that confirm the Leopold feels slightly more solid. Not to take anything away from the Poker II or your board, but I value your opinion. Do you also have both that you are comparing or have you not gotten your hands on that Leopold 60%? Topre or otherwise.

Tried the 660 my friend was using with blues. I wasn't really a fan of it but it might have been because I'm not a fan of the switch so it didn't feel right to me. Probably would have got a better feeling of it if it was using browns or reds. As far as "solid" goes I think they feel similar but still more of a fan of the layout and feel of the Poker over the 660.

Cool, thanks for your insight. However, I think I am going to go with the 660 as Topre since I put in an interest check for Duck Viper. I am going to buy that as my Cherry 60% board. Hopefully someone will be able to assemble it for me.

Good choice! Leo Topre and Korean custom. There are plenty here who build boards.  :thumb:

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:22:53 »
I think they were comparing the quality of the Poker II to the Leopold 60% I am debating. I've read several other reviews that confirm the Leopold feels slightly more solid. Not to take anything away from the Poker II or your board, but I value your opinion. Do you also have both that you are comparing or have you not gotten your hands on that Leopold 60%? Topre or otherwise.

Tried the 660 my friend was using with blues. I wasn't really a fan of it but it might have been because I'm not a fan of the switch so it didn't feel right to me. Probably would have got a better feeling of it if it was using browns or reds. As far as "solid" goes I think they feel similar but still more of a fan of the layout and feel of the Poker over the 660.

Cool, thanks for your insight. However, I think I am going to go with the 660 as Topre since I put in an interest check for Duck Viper. I am going to buy that as my Cherry 60% board. Hopefully someone will be able to assemble it for me.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45886.0
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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:31:48 »
I think they were comparing the quality of the Poker II to the Leopold 60% I am debating. I've read several other reviews that confirm the Leopold feels slightly more solid. Not to take anything away from the Poker II or your board, but I value your opinion. Do you also have both that you are comparing or have you not gotten your hands on that Leopold 60%? Topre or otherwise.

Tried the 660 my friend was using with blues. I wasn't really a fan of it but it might have been because I'm not a fan of the switch so it didn't feel right to me. Probably would have got a better feeling of it if it was using browns or reds. As far as "solid" goes I think they feel similar but still more of a fan of the layout and feel of the Poker over the 660.

Cool, thanks for your insight. However, I think I am going to go with the 660 as Topre since I put in an interest check for Duck Viper. I am going to buy that as my Cherry 60% board. Hopefully someone will be able to assemble it for me.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45886.0

Awesome thanks for this. Any person in particular you recommend?

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #26 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:37:08 »
I think they were comparing the quality of the Poker II to the Leopold 60% I am debating. I've read several other reviews that confirm the Leopold feels slightly more solid. Not to take anything away from the Poker II or your board, but I value your opinion. Do you also have both that you are comparing or have you not gotten your hands on that Leopold 60%? Topre or otherwise.

Tried the 660 my friend was using with blues. I wasn't really a fan of it but it might have been because I'm not a fan of the switch so it didn't feel right to me. Probably would have got a better feeling of it if it was using browns or reds. As far as "solid" goes I think they feel similar but still more of a fan of the layout and feel of the Poker over the 660.

Cool, thanks for your insight. However, I think I am going to go with the 660 as Topre since I put in an interest check for Duck Viper. I am going to buy that as my Cherry 60% board. Hopefully someone will be able to assemble it for me.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45886.0

Awesome thanks for this. Any person in particular you recommend?

Nope, I haven't had any of them assemble anything for me, but I would go with tjcaustin.
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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:42:44 »
I think they were comparing the quality of the Poker II to the Leopold 60% I am debating. I've read several other reviews that confirm the Leopold feels slightly more solid. Not to take anything away from the Poker II or your board, but I value your opinion. Do you also have both that you are comparing or have you not gotten your hands on that Leopold 60%? Topre or otherwise.

Tried the 660 my friend was using with blues. I wasn't really a fan of it but it might have been because I'm not a fan of the switch so it didn't feel right to me. Probably would have got a better feeling of it if it was using browns or reds. As far as "solid" goes I think they feel similar but still more of a fan of the layout and feel of the Poker over the 660.

Cool, thanks for your insight. However, I think I am going to go with the 660 as Topre since I put in an interest check for Duck Viper. I am going to buy that as my Cherry 60% board. Hopefully someone will be able to assemble it for me.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45886.0

Awesome thanks for this. Any person in particular you recommend?

Nope, I haven't had any of them assemble anything for me, but I would go with tjcaustin.

Cool brother, thanks. And also thank you to everyone else who gave me insight.

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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 23:42:16 »
Let us know how it looks and feels when it arrives!
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Re: Poker II or Leopold FC660M
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 23:46:52 »
So basically get the Leopold Topre and get a Poker II as well?

I know it isn't what anyone said, but we all know that's what I'm going to wind up doing... Especially now since I wanted someone to sway me in one direction, but instead find out the Leopold has Topre, is slimmer than the Realforce I was considering for my Topre and has arrow keys unlike the HHK which I always wanted (and is closer in design).

Luckily my girl owes me money so she can't say "ANOTHER KEYBOARD(s)?"


Maybe it would be a good idea to jump on that Topre Clack in the classfields... hmmmm

This is exactly what I did, and I highly recommend it.  The Poker II lets you satisfy all your customization needs (keycaps, switches, cases, etc.) while the FC660C lets you display a few novelty caps and has a (in my opinion) superior layout with dedicated arrow and delete keys.  I find myself swapping between the two boards quite a bit, depending on my mood, and I love having both on hand.

So if you're ready to drop roughly $300 on two boards you can't go wrong with these two.  :D