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Offline astrafo

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Curved plate
« on: Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:57:50 »
Time ago I successfully built a keyboard from the scratch (thanks to this forum), but my wife glued it to her desk and I cannot use it anymore :) -- https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71647.msg1738106#msg1738106

My next project will be a portable 60% with Gateron switches (probably black). I will try to make it as slim as possible, so I will probably use DSA keycaps (lower profile, right?). As DSA keycaps are flat in all rows and I need some vertical space in the upper rows to place the controller, I thought a slightly curved plate (not as pronunced as in Model Ms) could be nice to reach some compromise between ergonomics and portability.

By bending the plate, will I have lots of spacing problems between rows if I use a curved plate?
And most important, is this a good idea?

Thanks a lot.

Offline jbondeson

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Re: Curved plate
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:04:30 »
When curving the plate you may need to allow for more room between rows as DSA and SA have an identical slope on all sides vs cherry or dcs which have a more aggressive slope on the front allowing for more of a curve.

You'll definitely want to prototype with cardboard or a rubber mat to verify.

Offline astrafo

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Re: Curved plate
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:16:04 »
Thanks jbondeson, you're right about the other profiles' slope. I will do a prototype to check (I really think a curved plate should look nice)

Offline zars15

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Re: Curved plate
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:12:48 »
Interesting switch choice. Any particular reason why exactly those?

Recently I got them myself, pretty satisfied. Now I'm thinking about lubing them, for even smoother experience, thought not sure if my local stores have good enough mechanical lube.

Offline astrafo

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Re: Curved plate
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 26 August 2015, 14:41:36 »
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Interesting switch choice. Any particular reason why exactly those?
Cheap, good quality and I've been reading here and there they are "better than Cherry blacks", but the real reason is I want my next keyboard as silent as possible.

Offline jacobolus

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Re: Curved plate
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 28 August 2015, 01:48:32 »
Bent plate with DSA isn’t really recommended. Notice that IBM keycaps for a bent plate have a fairly steep tilt to them, so there’s a step between rows. To get the same effect you need to use something like all uniform ZXCV row keycaps from a cylindrical keycap set.

Something like:


If you put DSA caps on there instead, you’ll end up needing to move your hand more to press the top 3 rows, because if you just try to press them without moving your hand your finger will bump into the key in front. (DSA on a flat keyboard has the same issue: also not recommended.)

Here’s a picture of DSA on a flat keyboard, in case it helps with that explanation:


To be honest though, you’re going to get better results (from a typing comfort perspective) with a flat plate and standard cylindrical keycaps. IBM’s curved plate + uniform keycaps design was done to save costs, not to improve typing comfort. If it’s a 60% board, there really isn’t any height advantage of DSA.

If your goal is as slim as possible, flat plate + Cherry profile keycaps is your best bet IMO. And then focus on getting the bottom of the keyboard slimmer. For instance, you can partly bend or clip the switch leads, hand wire the board together, and have the case bottom kissing the little plastic nubs on the bottom of your switches.

On the other hand, if you think a bent plate would look cool, or be fun to build, or whatever, then go for it!
« Last Edit: Fri, 28 August 2015, 02:00:31 by jacobolus »

Offline astrafo

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Re: Curved plate
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 28 August 2015, 03:00:19 »
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If your goal is as slim as possible, flat plate + Cherry profile keycaps is your best bet IMO. And then focus on getting the bottom of the keyboard slimmer. For instance, you can partly bend or clip the switch leads, hand wire the board together, and have the case bottom kissing the little plastic nubs on the bottom of your switches.

Yes. That's the idea. And that's what I did with the last one (hand wire as close to the switch as possible and cut the switch leads).  I'll go for the cherry profile and re-think about bending the plate.

Thanks a lot for the info, jacobolus. I can see now clearly what I can do, cannot do and what I can try.
No hurries to get this done now, but I'll post here when it's finished.

Offline Findecanor

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Re: Curved plate
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 28 August 2015, 10:15:59 »
I will try to make it as slim as possible, so I will probably use DSA keycaps (lower profile, right?).
DSA is not that much lower than Cherry or DCS profile. It is like the home row of OEM profile. Cherry/DCS profile have lower home row profiles.

If you still want to make a curved keyboard, check out hbar's thread on Deskthority for a way to build a curved plate from laser-cut wood. :eek:
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