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Hi! Nice to be among you.
« on: Tue, 06 October 2015, 04:29:44 »
Why, hello out there.

And a special hello to all past, current and future geekhack regulars!

I'll share a confession with my initial post here: I don't happen to own any mechanical keyboard yet. Just some rubber dome ones, some of which are quality ones.

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 06 October 2015, 04:50:33 »
Wellcome to GH NOW GET SOME MECH KEYBOARDS

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 06 October 2015, 05:10:23 »
Welcome to Geekhack!

Are you planning on purchasing a mechanical keyboards?

If not, no worries, as the keyboards section actually says "dome, scissor, capacitive, mechanical, buckling-spring, laser, membrane, hall-effect, etc." - so all are welcome :)
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 06 October 2015, 05:55:41 »
Why hello there youngster wellcome to GH

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 07 October 2015, 04:14:15 »
...
Are you planning on purchasing a mechanical keyboards?
...

For quite some time now, I was considering buying a UNICOMP one.
Depending whether a trackpoint is a plus or not, either a EnduraPro Black Buckling Spring USB or a Classic 104 Black Buckling Spring USB.

Why hello there youngster wellcome to GH

I thought nowadays, "post count" would have been globally established to be overrated.

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 07 October 2015, 04:34:34 »
...
Are you planning on purchasing a mechanical keyboards?
...

For quite some time now, I was considering buying a UNICOMP one.
Depending whether a trackpoint is a plus or not, either a EnduraPro Black Buckling Spring USB or a Classic 104 Black Buckling Spring USB.

Yay buckling spring!

Another alternative is to find a reasonable Model M - same keyboard, albeit without the Windows/Menu keys.  If you can find a reasonably solid one (i.e. that the rivets haven't fallen off), it should last you for a good few more years.  You can also bolt mod them - replace the plastic rivets holding the insides together with small bolts.  A fiddly and time-consuming process, but once done you end up with a 100% solid keyboard that should keep going for another 30 years.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 07 October 2015, 15:34:58 »
For quite some time now, I was considering buying a UNICOMP one.
You definitely can't go wrong with one of these if you want the windows keys.  The original IBMs never had them, but I personally like them that way. :)


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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 07 October 2015, 16:41:44 »
...
Are you planning on purchasing a mechanical keyboards?
...

For quite some time now, I was considering buying a UNICOMP one.
Depending whether a trackpoint is a plus or not, either a EnduraPro Black Buckling Spring USB or a Classic 104 Black Buckling Spring USB.

Yay buckling spring!

Another alternative is to find a reasonable Model M - same keyboard, albeit without the Windows/Menu keys.  If you can find a reasonably solid one (i.e. that the rivets haven't fallen off), it should last you for a good few more years.  You can also bolt mod them - replace the plastic rivets holding the insides together with small bolts.  A fiddly and time-consuming process, but once done you end up with a 100% solid keyboard that should keep going for another 30 years.

Buckling spring is great OP! Good choice. :) I love my BS board to death.

 I bet an original full-size M could be quite a bit cheaper than a Unicomp too, especially if you're willing to fix it up. Phosphorglow also has a solid Model M for sale on his site right now, just FYI.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 07 October 2015, 18:44:55 »
I bet an original full-size M could be quite a bit cheaper than a Unicomp too, especially if you're willing to fix it up. Phosphorglow also has a solid Model M for sale on his site right now, just FYI.
They can be, but it's best to see it in person or have a very reputed seller so you know what may be wrong, if anything.  But I'd always go for an original if you can live with the 101 layout.


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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 02:24:49 »
I bet an original full-size M could be quite a bit cheaper than a Unicomp too, especially if you're willing to fix it up. Phosphorglow also has a solid Model M for sale on his site right now, just FYI.
They can be, but it's best to see it in person or have a very reputed seller so you know what may be wrong, if anything.  But I'd always go for an original if you can live with the 101 layout.

About the only thing I miss is a Windows key under Windows.  But there's ways around that too.  On Mac Ctrl is Ctrl and Alt is Command, so the Option key is missing.  I really don't use that much at all, so I don't miss it on my Mac.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 08:53:34 »
About the only thing I miss is a Windows key under Windows.  But there's ways around that too.  On Mac Ctrl is Ctrl and Alt is Command, so the Option key is missing.  I really don't use that much at all, so I don't miss it on my Mac.
Anything that can be done with the Windows keys can be done on the 101 with combinations.  But if you miss them that bad, there's always the Unicomp model with all the keys.  :cool:  Even though I don't personally need them, I'm really glad Unicomp made a buckling spring with them--opens the doors to people using what may be the best for their hands.  I know the 101 can be a dealbreaker for a lot of people now that the keys have been on most keyboards for 10 years+.

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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 15:14:54 »
I bet an original full-size M could be quite a bit cheaper than a Unicomp too, especially if you're willing to fix it up. Phosphorglow also has a solid Model M for sale on his site right now, just FYI.
They can be, but it's best to see it in person or have a very reputed seller so you know what may be wrong, if anything.  But I'd always go for an original if you can live with the 101 layout.

Hey SamirD!  Do you even know who Phosphorglow is?  Maybe you should take a look and find out about Phosphorglow. 
http://phosphorglow.net/
He has restored several of my keyboards as well.  I highly recommend him.

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 15:37:00 »


Anything that can be done with the Windows keys can be done on the 101 with combinations.

I don't think this is true. Win+P for projector/2nd screen options, Win+L to lock the computer, Win+Pause to bring up system options, Win+E to open Explorer. These are all buried options without the Windows key.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 16:14:12 »
I bet an original full-size M could be quite a bit cheaper than a Unicomp too, especially if you're willing to fix it up. Phosphorglow also has a solid Model M for sale on his site right now, just FYI.
They can be, but it's best to see it in person or have a very reputed seller so you know what may be wrong, if anything.  But I'd always go for an original if you can live with the 101 layout.

Hey SamirD!  Do you even know who Phosphorglow is?  Maybe you should take a look and find out about Phosphorglow. 
http://phosphorglow.net/
He has restored several of my keyboards as well.  I highly recommend him.
Yep, I stumbled upon him thanks to your image gallery I believe.  He's got a really nice M for sale, but at the price it's the same as the Unicomp, so the buyer would have to decide what's best for them (Unicomp having the windows keys).  Personally, I'd just grab the one phosphorglow has as it's in really good shape.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 16:17:05 »


Anything that can be done with the Windows keys can be done on the 101 with combinations.
I don't think this is true. Win+P for projector/2nd screen options, Win+L to lock the computer, Win+Pause to bring up system options, Win+E to open Explorer. These are all buried options without the Windows key.
I didn't say they would be single keystrokes, but they can be done.  You can actually assign keyboard macros to file shortcuts, so the explorer one can easily be done.  Locking is super-quick with an alt-ctrl-del and space.  But the projector one would probably involve going into control panel or graphics card software.



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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 16:19:09 »


Anything that can be done with the Windows keys can be done on the 101 with combinations.
I don't think this is true. Win+P for projector/2nd screen options, Win+L to lock the computer, Win+Pause to bring up system options, Win+E to open Explorer. These are all buried options without the Windows key.
I didn't say they would be single keystrokes, but they can be done.  You can actually assign keyboard macros to file shortcuts, so the explorer one can easily be done.  Locking is super-quick with an alt-ctrl-del and space.  But the projector one would probably involve going into control panel or graphics card software.
They are all shortcuts, as in there is a longer way to do them all, and in that sense they are non essential. But by that definition so are Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 19:11:36 »
They are all shortcuts, as in there is a longer way to do them all, and in that sense they are non essential. But by that definition so are Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V.
Quite true.  It's amazing how much you can speed up (or mess up) things with shortcuts.


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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 14 October 2015, 05:00:43 »
About the only thing I miss is a Windows key under Windows.  But there's ways around that too.  On Mac Ctrl is Ctrl and Alt is Command, so the Option key is missing.  I really don't use that much at all, so I don't miss it on my Mac.
Anything that can be done with the Windows keys can be done on the 101 with combinations.  But if you miss them that bad, there's always the Unicomp model with all the keys.  :cool:  Even though I don't personally need them, I'm really glad Unicomp made a buckling spring with them--opens the doors to people using what may be the best for their hands.  I know the 101 can be a dealbreaker for a lot of people now that the keys have been on most keyboards for 10 years+.

Unicomp broke the bottom row.

I think I'd find their revised bottom row layout more difficult to use than a few simple work-around on a 101!
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 14 October 2015, 18:46:55 »
Unicomp broke the bottom row.

I think I'd find their revised bottom row layout more difficult to use than a few simple work-around on a 101!
Ouch!  I'm surprised to hear this. :(  What do you find so difficult about the layout?


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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 04:18:50 »
Unicomp broke the bottom row.

I think I'd find their revised bottom row layout more difficult to use than a few simple work-around on a 101!
Ouch!  I'm surprised to hear this. :(  What do you find so difficult about the layout?



You mean apart from big Ctrl, little Win, big Alt, space, medium Win, big Alt, little Menu, big Ctrl?

Every other keyboard I have has Alt keys (or Command keys for Mac) either side of the space bar.
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Re: Hi! Nice to be among you.
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 11:54:22 »
Unicomp broke the bottom row.

I think I'd find their revised bottom row layout more difficult to use than a few simple work-around on a 101!
Ouch!  I'm surprised to hear this. :(  What do you find so difficult about the layout?



You mean apart from big Ctrl, little Win, big Alt, space, medium Win, big Alt, little Menu, big Ctrl?

Every other keyboard I have has Alt keys (or Command keys for Mac) either side of the space bar.
Well that's a funky layout indeed!  I didn't think they'd try to retain the original M's alt/ctrl sizes and make them all the same size like everyone else does.