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Offline rich1051414

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XM or Fukka?
« on: Tue, 19 December 2017, 03:27:56 »
So I am browsing modern alps switches, and I have given matias a shot, but there are a few others I would like to try, and I want some opinions.

The two I am looking at are white Fukka switches, and green ducky xm switches. Has anyone given these a shot, and if so, what are your opinions of them?

There is also the tao-hao xm switches, but I don't feel too confident about them.
« Last Edit: Tue, 19 December 2017, 04:49:36 by rich1051414 »
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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 19 December 2017, 05:37:24 »
They are both quite crap imo. Too stiff, very clunky, don't sound good, ping like mad. I would honestly take MX Blues over them.

If you are interested in a modern Alps board then Matias are the way to go.
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Offline rich1051414

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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 19 December 2017, 06:10:26 »
Quote from: klennkellon on Tue, 19 December 2017, 05:37:24
They are both quite crap imo. Too stiff, very clunky, don't sound good, ping like mad. I would honestly take MX Blues over them.

If you are interested in a modern Alps board then Matias are the way to go.
That's unfortunate. Thanks for saving me the disappointment. I have tried cloned simplified alps that were too stiff, and they were unusable, and if the XM switches are like those(Hua-Jie AK), then no thank you.
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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 19 December 2017, 07:15:35 »
Ducky Green XM are horrid IMO. They're not as stiff as some other ALPS-derived switches, sure, but, between the lighter weight, the high activation point, and the heinous wobble, I found them basically un-typeable-- random extra letters everywhere. And I say this as someone who generally prefers ALPS-style switches over MX-style.
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Offline SpriteMite

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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 19 December 2017, 22:46:45 »
What modern board exists with Fukka switches? I thought they were discontinued in 2012.
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Offline rich1051414

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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 19 December 2017, 23:48:14 »
AFAIK, you can't buy new keyboards with fukka switches. I found them for sell second hand, as well as one with ducky green, but I passed on them.
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Offline Kevadu

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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 20 December 2017, 00:43:58 »
I think 2012 is still pretty modern...
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Offline klennkellon

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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 20 December 2017, 01:19:58 »
Quote from: rich1051414 on Tue, 19 December 2017, 23:48:14
AFAIK, you can't buy new keyboards with fukka switches. I found them for sell second hand, as well as one with ducky green, but I passed on them.
though they aren't made anymore I think there is a big cache of them or something. you can buy brand new boards with them.

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=fukka&brand=&switch=&size=&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off&show_acc=on
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Offline rich1051414

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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 20 December 2017, 02:07:29 »
Quote from: klennkellon on Wed, 20 December 2017, 01:19:58
Quote from: rich1051414 on Tue, 19 December 2017, 23:48:14
AFAIK, you can't buy new keyboards with fukka switches. I found them for sell second hand, as well as one with ducky green, but I passed on them.
though they aren't made anymore I think there is a big cache of them or something. you can buy brand new boards with them.

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=fukka&brand=&switch=&size=&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off&show_acc=on
New old stock. I don't think these have been manufactured for a while, as others have pointed out. I assume there is a reason there's a lot of new old stock?

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2532
^--That is the fukka keyboard I was looking into. But if it suffers from stiff alps clone syndrome, I don't want it.

It looks like the one I found for $50 second hand sold already. Now that I think about it, I probably could of used it as a donor if I hated the switch, but meh.
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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 20 December 2017, 09:09:18 »
SKBM/Fukka Alps is awful. Bump/click is in the wrong place and the weighting is annoing. You have to type at a very specific angle for it to be tolerable.

I haven't personally tried Tai-Hao APC switches but they are all very meh from what I have heard. Linears are scratchy and inconsistent, the blues have a greatly varying sound, and the greens are just too heavy to the point of becoming a meme.

Matias switches are lovely, I would personally just stick with those if you want modern Alps-compatible switches. If you want to try something new though, you can probably find a cheap AT101 with some salmon Alps or a IIGS board with oranges for cheap. In fact, a few of the latter were available on TaoBao for fairly cheap, but I think my friend bought the last one.
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Offline batfink

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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 20 December 2017, 12:13:22 »
I recently had chance to try out a Fukka at a keyboard event, and it was pretty good. They had two different Fukkas there for people to try. I tried the first Fukka, but its keys were a bit stiff. So then I went to try the other Fukka. But someone had taken it.
"Where is that Fukka?" I asked.
"Oh,  some guy borrowed that Fukka!" came the reply.
So I take ages trying to track down the Fukka. I searched for the Fukka here, I searched for the Fukka there. Eventually I manage to track down the guy with the Fukka, and asked him, "What Fukka have you got there?"
"What this?" he replied, "this fukker has Cherry Reds."

(yes, I know that was childish but I couldn't resist)
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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 20 December 2017, 12:45:19 »
Fukka u
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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 20 December 2017, 13:03:16 »
Quote from: DudeSnail on Wed, 20 December 2017, 12:45:19
Fukka u

wait a second... aren't you the guy that rigged everyone's brains into voting a certain way?
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Re: XM or Fukka?
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 20 December 2017, 13:08:07 »
Quote from: clasicks on Wed, 20 December 2017, 13:03:16
Quote from: DudeSnail on Wed, 20 December 2017, 12:45:19
Fukka u

wait a second... aren't you the guy that rigged everyone's brains into voting a certain way?

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