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Offline carhartt

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Cherry G80-1800 question
« on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 12:50:01 »
Hello,

I wanted to buy the Raptor Gaming K1 keyboard but one user has told me that the Cherry G80-1800 keyboard is the same.

My question is whether the Cherry G80-1800LPCDE-0 (light gray) and the Cherry G80-1800LPCDE-2 (black) are the same only the color is different, is that correct?

http://www.cherry.de/english/products/cable_keyboards_G80-1800.htm

thanks for your help!

aloha,
carhartt
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 13:00:03 »
Should be both black Cherry keyboards.

Black cherrys aren't particularly nice to type on btw.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 13:00:48 »
That is the case.
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Offline Rajagra

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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 13:36:10 »
The Raptor K1 is claimed to have 30% shorter key travel than normal, and n-key rollover. So no, they aren't exactly the same.
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Offline elbowglue

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 13:43:39 »
How do they make the key travel 30% shorter on the raptor K1? Boggle. That is an interesting statement especially if it still uses standard MX switches.
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My keyboards: Filco Cherry Blue Tenkeyless(daily home), Compaq MX11800 (modded to blacks), Compaq "MX 84u",  Wellington\'s Dampened Endurapro, Pinkalicious Filco Blue Cherry, Chicony KB-5191, Chicony KB-5181, Desko MOS 5023 UP "elbowglue" spos (modded to blues), Siig Minitouch (monterey blue), SMK-88 (blue cherries), Ricercar SPOS
Smallest to biggest keyboards in inches (Length X Height) - Length is most important for a midline mouse position
KBC Poker: 11.6 x 3.9 - HHKB: 11.6 x 4.3 - Siig Minitouch (Geekhack Space Saver): 11.6 x 6 - Deck/Tg3 82: 12 x 6 - Noppoo Choc Mini 12.4 x 5.3 - Compaq "MX 84u": 13.1 x 7.5 - Filco Tenkeyless: 14 x 5.3 - Cherry "ricercar spos" G86-62410EUAGSA: 14 x 7.75 - Topre Realforce 86u: 14.4 x 6.65 - Desko "elbowglue spos" MOS 5023 UP: 14.5 x 8.4 - IBM Model M Spacesaver: 15.3 x 7 - G80-1800: 15.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-125B: 16 x 7.3 - Compaq Mx11800, Cherry G80-11900: 16.25 x 7.5 - Filco Standard: 17.3 x 5.4 - Unicomp Endurapro: 17.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-135B: 18.3 x 6.0 - Cherry G80-3000: 18.5 x 7.6 - IBM Model M, Unicomp Customizer: 19.3 x 8.27

Offline elbowglue

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 13:45:14 »
Ha! beat you by 15 seconds!
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My keyboards: Filco Cherry Blue Tenkeyless(daily home), Compaq MX11800 (modded to blacks), Compaq "MX 84u",  Wellington\'s Dampened Endurapro, Pinkalicious Filco Blue Cherry, Chicony KB-5191, Chicony KB-5181, Desko MOS 5023 UP "elbowglue" spos (modded to blues), Siig Minitouch (monterey blue), SMK-88 (blue cherries), Ricercar SPOS
Smallest to biggest keyboards in inches (Length X Height) - Length is most important for a midline mouse position
KBC Poker: 11.6 x 3.9 - HHKB: 11.6 x 4.3 - Siig Minitouch (Geekhack Space Saver): 11.6 x 6 - Deck/Tg3 82: 12 x 6 - Noppoo Choc Mini 12.4 x 5.3 - Compaq "MX 84u": 13.1 x 7.5 - Filco Tenkeyless: 14 x 5.3 - Cherry "ricercar spos" G86-62410EUAGSA: 14 x 7.75 - Topre Realforce 86u: 14.4 x 6.65 - Desko "elbowglue spos" MOS 5023 UP: 14.5 x 8.4 - IBM Model M Spacesaver: 15.3 x 7 - G80-1800: 15.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-125B: 16 x 7.3 - Compaq Mx11800, Cherry G80-11900: 16.25 x 7.5 - Filco Standard: 17.3 x 5.4 - Unicomp Endurapro: 17.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-135B: 18.3 x 6.0 - Cherry G80-3000: 18.5 x 7.6 - IBM Model M, Unicomp Customizer: 19.3 x 8.27

Offline Rajagra

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 13:53:19 »
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Offline elbowglue

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:01:29 »
What the heck does that mean adjusted coil springs reduces travel by 30%.  How could you do this?  If you use the same casing, same stem, you should have the same distance travel no matter what spring you use.  All cherry switches use springs which are slightly "preloaded" so the stem touches the top of the switch casing at rest.

Now I want to see someone's detailed pictures of the K1 raptor board to see what the deal is..

I mean, we reduced travel by X % by putting in the orthodontic bands but it took the millimeters of travel off the bottom of the switch travel, not the top.

And the topre silent version takes the millimeters off of the top of the switch so that could "reduce spring travel"

Maybe raptor got their marketing executive on loan from Das or something. :P

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Oooohh I see what is going on here:

Due to their Cherry Gold Crosspoint contacts and the adjusted coil springs, the buttons of the RAPTOR-GAMING K1 offer a very soft and in particular by 30% shorter stroke than conventional keyboards. This feature maximises the entry speed and reactivity while playing – with minimum fatigue by unmatched velocity and reaction advantages.

They probably are saying cherry switches have 30% shorter stroke than dome keyboards.  I think that makes sense if you say millimeters to actuation.  It's a stock g80-1800 I bet with NKRO.
« Last Edit: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:04:19 by elbowglue »
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My keyboards: Filco Cherry Blue Tenkeyless(daily home), Compaq MX11800 (modded to blacks), Compaq "MX 84u",  Wellington\'s Dampened Endurapro, Pinkalicious Filco Blue Cherry, Chicony KB-5191, Chicony KB-5181, Desko MOS 5023 UP "elbowglue" spos (modded to blues), Siig Minitouch (monterey blue), SMK-88 (blue cherries), Ricercar SPOS
Smallest to biggest keyboards in inches (Length X Height) - Length is most important for a midline mouse position
KBC Poker: 11.6 x 3.9 - HHKB: 11.6 x 4.3 - Siig Minitouch (Geekhack Space Saver): 11.6 x 6 - Deck/Tg3 82: 12 x 6 - Noppoo Choc Mini 12.4 x 5.3 - Compaq "MX 84u": 13.1 x 7.5 - Filco Tenkeyless: 14 x 5.3 - Cherry "ricercar spos" G86-62410EUAGSA: 14 x 7.75 - Topre Realforce 86u: 14.4 x 6.65 - Desko "elbowglue spos" MOS 5023 UP: 14.5 x 8.4 - IBM Model M Spacesaver: 15.3 x 7 - G80-1800: 15.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-125B: 16 x 7.3 - Compaq Mx11800, Cherry G80-11900: 16.25 x 7.5 - Filco Standard: 17.3 x 5.4 - Unicomp Endurapro: 17.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-135B: 18.3 x 6.0 - Cherry G80-3000: 18.5 x 7.6 - IBM Model M, Unicomp Customizer: 19.3 x 8.27

Offline Rajagra

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:10:21 »
Quote from: elbowglue;170973
What the heck does that mean adjusted coil springs reduces travel by 30%.  How could you do this?


Normally the slider would reach the end of its travel before the spring is fully compressed. In the K1 the springs must fully compress before the normal end of key travel. The switch will activate at the normal point but have less after-travel. If they took the time to make the spring progressive, bottoming out could be made softer.

I'm definitely hoping to snag a K1 some day to try out.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:15:50 »
Unless you know that to be explicity the case, I think what it actually means is that the switch actuates sooner than a rubber dome switch.
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Offline sixty

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:16:23 »
They are nowhere near identical

Raptor K1 gaming: 2x USB ports on the back (labelled "mouse" and "headset" to fit the gaming scheme), Full N-Key Rollover, MX Brown or MX Black (depending on revision, no way to tell without receiving it), usually double shot or lasered thick keys, includes 8 key stoppers and 8 glow-in-the-dark blue keycaps

G80-1800: no usb ports, 3 key roll over, usually mx black unless special order, usually lasered keys unless special order or vintage

And to clear it up, the Raptor K1 I have does have normal MX blacks. No modified springs, no different plungers.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:17:26 »
This.  Especially seeing how parts of the rest of the page are roughly translated.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:18:45 »
Quote from: sixty;170976
They are nowhere near identical

Raptor K1 gaming: 2x USB ports on the back (labelled "mouse" and "headset" to fit the gaming scheme), Full N-Key Rollover, MX Brown or MX Black (depending on revision, no way to tell without receiving it), usually double shot or lasered thick keys, includes 8 key stoppers and 8 glow-in-the-dark blue keycaps

G80-1800: no usb ports, 3 key roll over, usually mx black unless special order, usually lasered keys unless special order or vintage

And to clear it up, the Raptor K1 I have does have normal MX blacks. No modified springs, no different plungers.

I can't seem to find it anymore, but there was a Korean or Chinese Cherry site that had a Cherry G80-1800 with the same features.

EDIT:  I forgot, the G80-1863HUMUS-2 has these features.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:20:31 »
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Offline sixty

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 09 April 2010, 14:42:29 »
Quote from: itlnstln;170978
I can't seem to find it anymore, but there was a Korean or Chinese Cherry site that had a Cherry G80-1800 with the same features.

EDIT:  I forgot, the G80-1863HUMUS-2 has these features.


It appears only the wNv edition has nkey rollover, the normal edition has no nkey rollover.

http://www.kbfly.com/Cherry_1863_EN.htm

Note the missing diodes.
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