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Offline DreamTwister

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Well wishes from Orlando!
« on: Tue, 12 May 2020, 20:59:09 »
Hello geekhack!

I found out about this community through r/MK which I also recently joined after rediscovering my love for mechanical keyboards, vintage keyboards, and pretty much everything that allows me to interface with my computer to harness the power of the Internet... for... just mundane entertainment really. I'm glad to have found such a large group of like-minded enthusiasts. Though I'm not an expert in any way, I hope to learn and contribute from time to time here. Aside from mechanical keyboards, I'm also an entry-level enthusiast of home labs and Ubiquiti gear though I do have a couple of Cisco switches to practice on. I'm not a huge fan of the recent tenkeyless or compact keyboard movement though I would like to build one someday. I like their elegant minimalist looks, they are just not ideal for my line of work (entering a bunch of numbers). Anyway, thanks for reading this!   

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Re: Well wishes from Orlando!
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:59:00 »
Hi DreamTwister. Welcome to Geekhack.

Which vintage boards do you have and/or like?

I'm no expert either myself, but I'm cheap so I've got a pfSense box at home, some netgear dumb switches, and random Goodwill routers flashed with DD-WRT.

I agree that bigger keyboards should get some more love, although I'm just fine using the alphanumeric block only myself. I do need my dedicated arrow keys.

What switches have you tried? Which do you like?

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Re: Well wishes from Orlando!
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 21:54:35 »
Thank you! Oh I'm a recent convert. It all started with a video I saw for the IBM Model M a few years back but I don't own any vintage keyboards yet. Currently what I have is mostly retail stuff like a Logitech G Pro TKL, A WASD Keyboard (forgot the model, currently at the office), a Glorious GMMK full-size with Halo Clear switches, a Ducky One 2 Horizon with Chery MX Browns, a SteelSeries Apex Pro, and coming soon, a Wooting Two Lekker which hopefully will be released soon. Oh, and today I got an email that my Drop CTRL TLK base is being delayed to July so...  :rolleyes: My work pretty much requires I enter numbers so that is pretty much why I tend to lean more toward full keyboards. Also, I've never found myself needing more mouse space when gaming or navigating big spreadsheets, to be honest. I can always move my full keyboard 2 inches to the left? lol. I do like the TKL design layout because it keeps the arrow keys and the nav cluster.  I can't see myself owning anything smaller. I want more keys! Not less! lol! Weird thing is, I'm curious about ortholinear layouts lately even the real tiny boards. As far as switches goes right now I love the current Halo Clears I'm using. They have a nice tactile feel and are heavy, which is fine by me as I tend to bottom out when I type (not healthy!). I got in the last GB for some Holy Pandas as I mainly want to know what the big fuzz is about. Also I intend to lube them myself which will be a first. Aside from that, I guess my next favorite switch believe it or not is the OmniPoint switches on my SteelSeries Apex Pro one. They are linear, light, and definitely the smoothest switch I've ever had the pleasure of typing in. It is RIDICULOUS! No scratching at all! Being able to switch the activation point on the fly sounds like a gimmick at first but I found it to be very useful for modifying specific switches for gaming and then changing the actuation point for bottom out typing. Well, I've rambled enough. Thanks for the welcoming!

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Re: Well wishes from Orlando!
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:18:20 »
A Model M video? Probably one of Chyros' videos. He's pretty active on here as well.

How do you like the Romer G switches? I have the linear one in a tester, I'm not a fan. I haven't tried the tactiles though. I hear good things about all of those keyboard brands. Ironically, the only one I have ever used from that list is Logitech, and I have never had any mechanical Logitechs. The CTRL and ALT have tempted me though.

Yes, I could see if someone is doing a lot of calculations, in particular, they may prefer a number pad. I do not, and my fingers are long, so I'm actually most accustomed to just using the alphanumeric block. I think the idea behind stubby keyboards for gaming is being able to have your hands closer together moreso than having more space for your mouse, though my desk for my gaming computer has a keyboard tray to save what little desk space it has. The K70 barely leaves enough room for my mouse pad. What do I need desk space for? Random pointless nonsense of course, or barely even fitting an IBM F107 on top of it at all, on its own, to enjoy typing on when not gaming. I have never really ever used the nav cluster other than for ctrl+alt+delete, or printscreen. I like 60-75% keyboards (with dedicated arrow keys) for both portability and desk space conservation at work, since I work on a lot of laptops, so whatever desk space I have is usually covered in laptops and/or parts for them. I need the arrow keys for hotkeys in spreadsheets, and like them to navigate websites, etc. I don't really need anything else outside of the alphanumeric block unless I need an occasional F key for preboot options.

If you want more keys, than you obviously need one of these bad boys:



I think there are boards with even more keys, but that's the first one I thought of. There are also the F122 and M122, for something with better switches:



Keyboards of these general layout are lovingly considered battleships, or battlecruisers.

I don't personally understand the hype behind ortholinear myself. I'm just fine with whatever so long as I can touch type on it. I have heard good things about halo clears, and holy pandas. I imagine you'll like them.

I always bottom out on every switch I use, besides maybe MX blacks. I don't think there's anything at all wrong with it so long as you're adjusted to the switch. If I go from really heavy switches back to MX reds, it becomes pretty jarring, but then I get used to it if I actually use them for typing for long enough to do so. I usually use them primarily just for gaming though.

The fact that you like the OmniPoint switches does not surprise me at all. Vintage hall effect switches are actually very much sought-after, and it is only natural that the technology would make an eventual return to the market. They're so smooth because there are literally no contacts to rub against, creating unnecessary friction. The adjustable actuation points are actually a very nice feature as well. MX speeds and reds are a great example of this. For being marketed towards gaming, MX speeds basically have no real benefit for gaming. People are made to believe that the shorter actuation point is somehow going to allow them react noticeably faster somehow, but a lot of people already find MX reds to be too light and sensitive, and can accidentally actuate them by just resting their fingers on them. I know I'm in that boat. I can't fathom why anyone who's actually used them for gaming would ever want essentially the same switch with an even higher actuation point. If I've got a choice in the matter, I like the actuation point low, since that means less of a chance of accidental key presses. Being able to tailor that to your own tastes, preferences, or typing style is a fantastic idea.

You prefer linears and tactiles then? No love for clickies?

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Re: Well wishes from Orlando!
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 28 May 2020, 18:08:10 »
Actually, I find the particular Romer Gs linears I have on the Logitech G Pro to be a bit scratchy. Either that or my sense has been completely skewed by the OmniPoints  :D. I bought my wife a Logitech - G512 SE for work and I have to say, I really like the feel of those clicky switches! Oh yes, I neglected to mention my first mech keyboard, from wasdkeyboards.com was of the clicky persuasion, lol (Chery Blues). I use that one in the office and surprisingly, no one has complained... yet. I tried Gateron Blues on my GMMK but I was not a fan of the feel and sound of those so I switched them up for the Halo Clears. My current project right now is the CTRL High-Profile (black), with some Maxey Dolch SA keycaps (pictured) and the Holy Pandas whenever they send me those. Oh!, and for my birthday I'm going to ask my wife for a Unicomp Classic 104. I love that beige color one...

My curiosity with ortholinears is purely academic, lol! I honestly don't find myself using them as my daily. I can't even touch-type well enough yet! What I would really like though is to own an Ergodox EZ. Its expensive but man... they just look like something you'll have on a Starfleet command chair, lol! $300+ of pure impracticality on my desk. Gotta love it.

You are right about the Hall Effect switches making a comeback. I ordered one of these and am currently waiting for their release. Have you seen them? (Wooting Two Lekker Switch) https://wooting.io/wooting_two_lekker . I don't care much about the gaming aspect of it. I am interested however on those switches. 65cN Analog linear so it will also allow for setting your preferred actuation point. Cool stuff!

This hobby has me using two keyboards on my desk at the same time and switching between them when I feel like it. Is it just me? LOL!





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Re: Well wishes from Orlando!
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 28 May 2020, 20:55:43 »
Actually, I find the particular Romer Gs linears I have on the Logitech G Pro to be a bit scratchy. Either that or my sense has been completely skewed by the OmniPoints  :D. I bought my wife a Logitech - G512 SE for work and I have to say, I really like the feel of those clicky switches! Oh yes, I neglected to mention my first mech keyboard, from wasdkeyboards.com was of the clicky persuasion, lol (Chery Blues). I use that one in the office and surprisingly, no one has complained... yet. I tried Gateron Blues on my GMMK but I was not a fan of the feel and sound of those so I switched them up for the Halo Clears. My current project right now is the CTRL High-Profile (black), with some Maxey Dolch SA keycaps (pictured) and the Holy Pandas whenever they send me those. Oh!, and for my birthday I'm going to ask my wife for a Unicomp Classic 104. I love that beige color one...

My curiosity with ortholinears is purely academic, lol! I honestly don't find myself using them as my daily. I can't even touch-type well enough yet! What I would really like though is to own an Ergodox EZ. Its expensive but man... they just look like something you'll have on a Starfleet command chair, lol! $300+ of pure impracticality on my desk. Gotta love it.

You are right about the Hall Effect switches making a comeback. I ordered one of these and am currently waiting for their release. Have you seen them? (Wooting Two Lekker Switch) https://wooting.io/wooting_two_lekker . I don't care much about the gaming aspect of it. I am interested however on those switches. 65cN Analog linear so it will also allow for setting your preferred actuation point. Cool stuff!

This hobby has me using two keyboards on my desk at the same time and switching between them when I feel like it. Is it just me? LOL!

We're in agreement on Romer G linears then. I don't think that they have been skewed. The Romer Gs are the scratchiest linear that I have had the displeasure of trying, besides maybe the super cheap MX clones.

It is interesting that you prefer Cherry blues to Gaterons. I find Gaterons to be crisper, with basically no rattle. I could see people maybe not liking their increased tactility over the Cherries though.

How do you like the Halo Clears? I don't know a whole lot about the halo, panda, or zeal families since I'm mostly a clicky guy.

I think the CTRL is an excellent choice, although I haven't used one in person. I have done some reading though because of interest.

If you're looking at a Unicomp Model M, you may want to look into the New Model M recently released by them. It has brand new tooling, and they claim that it to have much less imperfections than the older tooling of other variants. The case is apparently thicker/heavier now as well on that version. I don't think that they offer it in any color other than black though, unfortunately.

The Ergodox does certainly look cool. I have seen them for prices well under retail used before, but have still passed though. I own way too many keyboards as it is. I surely couldn't justify buying another that I would most likely never use.

I have heard great things about Wooting, but I'm waiting out the hall effect wars for the silo beam spring switch myself. They say the beam spring mechanism is the best clicky switch ever devised, I haven't spent the $1,500+ on an IBM board with them to try it, but if the hype is justified, I imagine a hall effect beam spring is going to be the place to be if they pull off the execution.

It isn't just you. I have seen people with desks with 2-3 IBM M122s on a desk. I'm currently using the 55g Topre 87u I just got in in the mail on top of my desk, with my good old K70 with MX reds just below it on the keyboard tray, since this is my gaming rig.

Those are some nice looking caps, by the way.