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Offline esr

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I'm working on a YouTube video about the history and revival of buckling-spring keyboards.  The way the script is working out, I need to be able to say something about the origins of the more general renaissance in mechanical keyboards over the last decade.

Me, I'm an old-school programmer who returned to buckling-spring keyboards after accidentally discovering that this reversed the RSI symptoms I had been developing, and I'm not the only example of same.  But I know hackers like me we weren't the ones mostly driving the revival of mechanical keyboards -  there was a much larger cohort of gamers with priorities different from ours, if only because N-key rollover was more important to them than it ever was to us.

What I want to be sure of is that I understand the reasons gamers had for running away from crappy rubber domes.

Were you looking for tactile or auditory feedback to avoid being slowed down by having to bottom out keys? Were you looking for faster actuation time?  Were you too trying to avoid RSI?  What have I not thought of?

Also: why did Cherry switches end up rocking the gamer world rather than buckling springs or ALPS-like switches? Was it just the rollover issue?  If not, what else?
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Offline Volny

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Honestly mechanical switches were purely incidental for much of the journey, in my case. I was interested in other higher-end features like macro keys, LCD screens, RGB backlighting, volume wheels, or ergonomic gaming-specific form factors (eg. Razer orbweaver). Those sorts of products usually came with mechanical keys, which were a 'nice to have' feature but not the main attraction.

In fact my daily driver until it died this year was a rubber dome logitech. I didn't love the mushy keys, but couldn't part with the 18 macro keys and LCD. Once it died I got a mechanical Corsair, and had to get separate macropads to make up for the missing macro keys I'd grown reliant on. I still miss the LCD.

Ironically, what got me acutely aware of mechanical switches was how much I hate the mechanical switches in my new keyboard (speed linears). I've since researched tactile options and am in the process of swapping them.

I now appreciate tactile switches too much to ever go back to rubber dome. But other features like macro keys will continue to be most important to me.

Offline HungerMechanic

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What I want to be sure of is that I understand the reasons gamers had for running away from crappy rubber domes.

Also: why did Cherry switches end up rocking the gamer world rather than buckling springs or ALPS-like switches? Was it just the rollover issue?  If not, what else?

Gamers went to mechanical keyboards partly because of N-Key rollover, but also in large part because of key feel. Mechanical keys are more consistent than rubber domes, which becomes important when you want to replicate keypresses using the exact same action each time.

You can also 'float' mech keys easier. Holding it just above the actuation point. Whereas on a rubber dome, you have to smash the whole dome each time. It's likewise easier to 'spam' keys on a mech. This latter point is extremely important in gaming, where you might have to repeat a single action many times within the span of seconds.

Mech keyboards are also seen as smoother if properly built, especially if using linear switches. These are lighter and 'cleaner' feeling than rubber domes. Can be very desired in gaming.

Why did Cherry take over? This has been discussed here and on Deskthority. Basically, Cherry won by default. The other major switch manufacturers, such as ALPS, went out of business. Mechanicals in home computers declined because of the advent of cheaper rubber domes. They only survived in the Cherry world because it was used in industrial/retail applications.

This is to the chagrin of many here, as ALPS are seen as a more refined switch than Cherry, in tactiles, clicky, and linear.

To be fair, Cherry survived because the basic switch design is very simple and reliable. It is low-maintenance, less vulnerable to dust, and has a very long service life. And it costs less than ALPS and similar. So Cherry survived in the industrial/retail/government world because there was a demand for a cheap and reliable switch that could be left alone for long periods and low maintenance.

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I'm working on a YouTube video about the history and revival of buckling-spring keyboards.  The way the script is working out, I need to be able to say something about the origins of the more general renaissance in mechanical keyboards over the last decade.

Me, I'm an old-school programmer who returned to buckling-spring keyboards after accidentally discovering that this reversed the RSI symptoms I had been developing, and I'm not the only example of same.  But I know hackers like me we weren't the ones mostly driving the revival of mechanical keyboards -  there was a much larger cohort of gamers with priorities different from ours, if only because N-key rollover was more important to them than it ever was to us.

What I want to be sure of is that I understand the reasons gamers had for running away from crappy rubber domes.

Were you looking for tactile or auditory feedback to avoid being slowed down by having to bottom out keys? Were you looking for faster actuation time?  Were you too trying to avoid RSI?  What have I not thought of?

Also: why did Cherry switches end up rocking the gamer world rather than buckling springs or ALPS-like switches? Was it just the rollover issue?  If not, what else?

Then again there are those of us that use Model M's for years and years.

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For me, it was that clicky sound I wanted, although now I am far from wanting a click. Also that every gamer and content creator had some flashy rgb gamer mech board so me being me got into mech switches.

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I was really annoyed when my Logitech K120 was not registering my keypresses (it was quite an old keyboard being used for a number of years) so I "borrowed" a Corsair from my Dad's Co worker.   And then i discovered that there were more Custom keyboards. So i did some Geekhacking and Look where i am 2 years later
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Offline Ranger_Trivette

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to be honest, as gamer (fps), there is no reason to move to custom keyboard. not even to mechanical keyboard.
you can buy a cheap keyboard and you will have the same result (if you are not in the top 1% players).

but, if you spend 500€ for monitor, 1000+$ for gpu etc etc, why don't you get a nice keyboard?