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Offline chel-

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« on: Wed, 22 September 2010, 23:29:40 »
Hello everyone. I've been reading these forums quite a bit for the last day or two as I've been looking for a good keyboard to replace my current Saitek Eclipse II. I'm a pretty avid gamer (I play competitively) and I also do some programming. With the assistance of some of the posts on these forums I've narrowed it down to a Filco Tenkeyless with Cherry brown switches. Now my only question is which of them to go with between the tactile touch, click, and linear force. I've tried finding some videos on youtube but its difficult for me to discern the sound from most of the videos..especially since Ive never used a mechanical keyboard and have no idea how they sound in real life. Any advice you guys can provide on this would be greatly appreciated.

Also if anyone has any different recommendations I'm all ears. I'm quite fond of how the hhkb2 pro looks and its size but I think it would be quite awkward using it for gaming. I'm looking for something without the numpad since my deskspace is limited.

Offline Kairxa

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 22 September 2010, 23:33:07 »
Quote from: chel-;225655
With the assistance of some of the posts on these forums I've narrowed it down to a Filco Tenkeyless with Cherry brown switches. Now my only question is which of them to go with between the tactile touch, click, and linear force.


Cherry brown switches are tactile touch. Tactile click is blue switches, and linear force is black switches.

I've seen Ripster's thread about sound samples of various keyboard, [strike]but now I can't seem to find it anywhere. Ripster are you there?[/strike] and here's the link.
« Last Edit: Wed, 22 September 2010, 23:42:57 by Kairxa »

Offline chel-

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 22 September 2010, 23:50:56 »
ah somehow I read that all of them were cherry browns :s
Thank you for pointing that out.

Now if only I can find an Otaku version...

Offline Kairxa

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 23 September 2010, 00:04:46 »
Otaku version will be hard. There's always an option though, buy a normal Filco and buy a blank keycaps set.

Offline Moogle Stiltzkin

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 23 September 2010, 00:35:50 »
What do you call cherry reds ???
"So long as we do not depend on the facts entirely, incomplete knowledge is better than complete ignorance."

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Current gaming keyboard: Ducky DK-9008 with Cherry Beige/White doubleshots (Cherry Mx Brown)

For my 2nd pc: Cherry G80-1095 HAU Revision 00 (Cherry Mx Black)

Dye subbed keys harvested from NCR 3299-k440-v001 G80-3007 SAU. Casing donated to Mike.
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Offline squarebox

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 23 September 2010, 01:11:05 »
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what do you call cherry reds ???


g80-3494
Filco Yellow Edition  | Filco Brown | Filco 2 Brown TKL | G80-1950 | G80-3494 | G80-11900 | Leopold FC500R | Noppoo Choc Mini

Offline laden3

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 23 September 2010, 01:41:40 »
Lighter linear? I know 3494 wasnt the only keyboard with red switches (now it is LOL).
I rrrove brrracks.

Offline Moogle Stiltzkin

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 23 September 2010, 02:46:29 »
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g80-3494

Yes for the Cherry g80-3494. I'm speaking of the black variant by the way with the POM laser etched keys.

I know from reading that the red is something close to a brown, but has something a bit stiffer.

But whether its tactile or linear, clicky or non clicky, i don't know :/


It's the only red cherry keyboard ??? What happened to the others ? Did they go extinct ?

« Last Edit: Thu, 23 September 2010, 02:48:53 by Moogle Stiltzkin »
"So long as we do not depend on the facts entirely, incomplete knowledge is better than complete ignorance."

:bounce:

Current gaming keyboard: Ducky DK-9008 with Cherry Beige/White doubleshots (Cherry Mx Brown)

For my 2nd pc: Cherry G80-1095 HAU Revision 00 (Cherry Mx Black)

Dye subbed keys harvested from NCR 3299-k440-v001 G80-3007 SAU. Casing donated to Mike.
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Free mechanical keyboard + other gear click here![/color]

Offline laden3

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 23 September 2010, 04:48:04 »
There were Duckies with Cherry MX reds, but sold out. According to those guys from KBC Cheryy MX Reds were ordered from Japan and currently unavailable to other keyboard manufacturers.

Lighr linear switches r surprisingly good (just tried an ALPS linear with weaker spring today)
I rrrove brrracks.

Offline Moogle Stiltzkin

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 23 September 2010, 05:38:43 »
Cherry g80-3494 = light linear ???

For the black version with the POM laser etched keys.
"So long as we do not depend on the facts entirely, incomplete knowledge is better than complete ignorance."

:bounce:

Current gaming keyboard: Ducky DK-9008 with Cherry Beige/White doubleshots (Cherry Mx Brown)

For my 2nd pc: Cherry G80-1095 HAU Revision 00 (Cherry Mx Black)

Dye subbed keys harvested from NCR 3299-k440-v001 G80-3007 SAU. Casing donated to Mike.
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Free mechanical keyboard + other gear click here![/color]

Offline NewbieOneKenobi

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 23 September 2010, 07:37:37 »
If this is your first time and you're in the US (items shipped from the US to VAT countries are VAT-ted on arrival :(), you can't go wrong with buying a cheap real IBM Model M for as little as $20 or less (a USB converter may be needed for some motherboards that don't have a USB port and even for some that do, such as mine). It's white but you could paint it any colour you wish or replace the case with wood cut to dimension, if you're so inclined, or anything that you wouldn't do to an $100 keyboard so lightly. Keytops are very easily swappable, so you can e.g. rearrange to the Dvorak layout under 5 minutes and see if you tire less while typing. Old M doesn't have multimedia or programmable keys but few applications use out the function keys and the US layout already has some keys that aren't needed any more, so why not use them for shortcuts.

I sure did a lot of gaming on my Model M... in elementary school, on a 486. ;) I see no reason it couldn't be done now. :D Ah, does anyone remember the joys of DynaBlaster on an M (I played on an F too)?

I would generally buy used if you're not sure what you like... it's hard to wear out a clicky keyboard and being used reduces the price to manageable levels without affecting the quality much. Matter of some E-Bay scouting. Occasionally there are whole series of Model Ms in original packaging or at least any packaging and never used and even looking shiny new. I've just started scouting the Polish market and as rare as used M's or F's are here, sometimes you can find one for five bucks' worth or so. As far as I can tell, you shouldn't have any problems with supply on US soil.
« Last Edit: Thu, 23 September 2010, 07:46:35 by NewbieOneKenobi »

Offline vicariouscheese

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 24 September 2010, 19:40:04 »
Quote from: Kairxa;225660
Otaku version will be hard. There's always an option though, buy a normal Filco and buy a blank keycaps set.


except right now the blank keycaps are out of stock as well :(:(

Offline chel-

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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 13:25:38 »
Well I'm still undecided. How is the steelseries 6Gv2? I've read the reviews on here but in reality how does it stack up to the filco kb? I went through the numbers and the filco will cost me around $200 after all extra costs whereas I can get the steelseries for around $120 with shipping and everything.

One thing I've read is how the lettering on the keys will stain after some use on the 6gv2, but can they be replaced with better keys? I definetly dont want to my keys to stain and if the cost of replacing the keys is expensive then I might as well get a the filco =/
« Last Edit: Mon, 27 September 2010, 13:31:00 by chel- »

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 13:29:10 »
Well, if you're looking for Cherry blacks, go with the Steelseries.  Quality is about the same, AFAIK.  The Filco's only real advantage here is the availability of different switches.


Offline WhiteRice

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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 13:35:28 »
I think that every newbie thinks that keycaps will explode if you sneeze on them. I know I did. This leads to keycap hysteria.

Set your price range, pick a switch, and go from there. If they do wear, you can get replacement cherry keycaps from KBC or a donor board.

Offline chel-

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 13:49:09 »
Thanks for the comments guys. I'm going to be picking up the steelseries since I can always return it if I don't like it.

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 14:38:08 »
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Is Keycap Hysteria like Blue Cherry Hysteresis?  And are there drugs for it?


Yeah, but it causes Refer Madness.


Offline WhiteRice

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 14:39:43 »
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Is Keycap Hysteria like Blue Cherry Hysteresis?  And are there drugs for it?

BTW getting KBC keycaps is no easy matter.  In fact I'm pissed at Majestouch for dropping the Filco replacements.  Guy is getting lazy.

Offline Senor_Cartmenez

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 14:44:54 »
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Yeah, but it causes Refer Madness.



This is refer madness!

Offline magictoaster

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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 15:45:21 »
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I'm pissed at Majestouch for dropping the Filco replacements.  Guy is getting lazy.


Maybe he's only keeping what sells? That would make sens...

Offline chel-

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 29 September 2010, 13:27:17 »
I just thought I'd give you all an update. My steelseries keyboard arrived today and I couldn't be happier. Not having a wrist wrest is a bit awkward (I'll have to pick one up, any preferences?) but overall its really enjoyable. Typing doesn't seem to be a problem either.