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Offline d3synch

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« on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 00:28:46 »
For Cherry MX blue switches, can you feel the click when typing on it? or is it just a sound that you hear?


Also, does anyone know where to buy a Filco 104 key tactile touch keyboard with blank keys? (tactile touch are browns...I think.)

I'm leaning towards browns at the moment simply because the described click in blues doesn't sound very appealing, however if the click isn't felt but rather just a sound, I will consider getting cherry blues.

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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 00:30:43 »
Blue = Hear and Feel
Brown = Feel

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Offline d3synch

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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 02:53:57 »
If the only difference is the sound in blues why are the browns considered slightly better for gaming? (I am aware that blacks are the best for gaming but I dont really want blacks)

Elitekeyboards doesnt sell the brown otaku keyboards, so are there any other options?

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 03:31:25 »
Quote from: d3synch;232422
If the only difference is the sound in blues why are the browns considered slightly better for gaming? (I am aware that blacks are the best for gaming but I dont really want blacks)

Elitekeyboards doesnt sell the brown otaku keyboards, so are there any other options?


Blue have a high reset point, thus making double tapping a issue.

Just buy a set of blank keys and  D.I.Y

I bought my Filco brown and D.I.Y "otaku" myself.
Same situation in Singapore, Otaku(s) were not brought in.
Either that or these Resellers are just trying to make more money from us.
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Offline Kairxa

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 05:12:04 »
I don't find any problem in double tapping with blues, seriously.
But browns sure are light though.

And for blank keys filco.. I'm afraid you have to do it manually, just like squarebox has stated.

Offline Findecanor

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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 05:46:00 »
Cherry MX blue are more tactile than browns. You can easily feel the "click" in the blues, but the tactile bump in the browns is very slight.
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Offline keyb_gr

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 09:24:24 »
Quote from: Findecanor;232451
Cherry MX blue are more tactile than browns. You can easily feel the "click" in the blues, but the tactile bump in the browns is very slight.
This has to do with the tactile bump on browns being higher up, plus with blues you can also feel the impact of the moving part that generates the click after being propelled upwards. Force-displacement graphs can be found via the "Switch reference" wiki.
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Now the clicks - that does get annoying.
It may, at least - less to the user himself but rather those around. If, however, the surroundings are halfway well-damped acoustically, the high-pitched click would be absorbed more easily than the racket from a BS or Alps board. There also still is a difference between boards with PCB-mounted switches like those from Cherry themselves and those with plate-mounted switches like Filcos, which tend to be more solid-feeling but noisier.

BTW, I don't have much of a problem hovering a Cherry blue around the point of actuation below the tactile point - actually this also gives me the occasional double character. Unlike with BS, the hysteresis is not an integral part of the actual switch mechanism.

In any case, there are good reasons for blues and BS leading the pack in the last switch poll.
« Last Edit: Mon, 11 October 2010, 09:44:11 by keyb_gr »
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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 11:10:00 »
Maybe the Blue's higher reset point have been blown out of proportion, IDK...
AFAIK, I can only confirm this when i receive my Blue Ducky 9008 in about a week's time...
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Offline unicomp

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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 11:54:36 »
Unless you are attempting to ram your fingers through the board, as opposed to type on the board, then you probably going to get a sound that is not so loud that you are going to disturb people unless you are in very close proximity to them in which case you would probably annoy them as much on any keyboard (apart from one of those projection ones).

I am not a gamer however in the tiny amount that I have done on a blues board I have thought that it probably isn't the best experience in the world. I just found the quite obvious click of the blues board to be weird in the context of gaming where you don't imagine your movements as discretely as your key presses might reveal.

All of these things are personal opinion, the best idea is to just go for one board and see how it works out.

Offline d3synch

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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 17:50:17 »
I don't exactly know if a razer blackwidow counts but a friend just bought one and after trying it out with gaming, the clicking noise whilst gaming doesn't feel natural to me, so I think I will stick with browns.

That being said, regarding the D.I.Y blank key Filco, does anyone know where I can buy the blank keys? I found the page on elitekeyboards but it's out of stock with no ETA
« Last Edit: Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:06:05 by d3synch »

Offline Kairxa

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 20:11:29 »
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That being said, regarding the D.I.Y blank key Filco, does anyone know where I can buy the blank keys? I found the page on elitekeyboards but it's out of stock with no ETA


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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 13:49:20 »
Cherry blues actually are unsuitable for gaming. I've been gaming on Cherry blues for a month, trying to make excuses and justifications, but they just suck. I much prefer Cherry blacks for gaming, and even Cherry browns are better.

The difference in Cherrry blue contact and release points is totally obnoxious, causes unnecessary loss of life.

It's a trap. Take evasive action.

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 20:23:24 »
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I believe in statistics.  OCN's "Is RicerCar An Outlier?" poll.

Actually I prefer Browns too for gaming.  Cherry Blacks are designed for atheist Nazis.


What's this whole thing about Blacks being for Nazis?

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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 10:25:19 »
Real Nazi's hate blacks. I read it on the web somewhere.
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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 10:38:21 »
I thought it was German nihilists, not nazis :D

Offline unicomp

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 11:30:47 »
When I think of Cherry blacks I just think 'why?'. Am I correct in this respect?

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 13:05:03 »
Quote from: d3synch;232422
If the only difference is the sound in blues why are the browns considered slightly better for gaming?


It would be a huge mistake to think that the only difference between the blue and the brown is the click. The blue IS NOT (the brown - the click). The tactile feedback is more pronounced on the blue Cherries that on the brown Cherries. If you are tying really fast and tend to apply a lot of force, you may not even notice the tactile feedback in the brown Cherries.