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Offline Jae-3soteric

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 06 October 2024, 04:55:06 »
Update [26/09/2024]
According to the survey results, over 50% of users are interested in plates other than aluminum. You’ll now be able to choose your full plate of choice. Aluminum, PP, and PC are available at no extra charge, while CF will have a $10 additional cost. We truly appreciate your input!

I'm so glad I came across your update note on 26 Sep, 2024 today on 5 Oct, 2024. I'm equally glad that you have turned out to be a designer that would make changes when they are good for everyone.

On the very same day, 26 Sep, unaware of your updates, I contacted my local vendor and expressed my dismay about the pricing structure being discriminatory towards customers wanting non-metalic plates. All vendor's responses were based on his own assumptions but presenting them as a fact and keep escalating a simple discussion to a full feud now. The last discussion from this vendor was, he was happy to cancel all my standing orders when I didn't ask to do so.

Even though it is going to cost me more, I will not allow to be bullied by my local vendor and will place my Constance TKL order with another vendor.

Once again, thank you for your integrity as a designer to identify and fix the problem quickly.


I’m really sorry if you saw our discussion as anything other than a friendly debate. A lot of the micro and macro economics we talked about were about the industry in general and not all were specifically about Constance. Meeting MOQs for some products or parts can always help lower prices and costs on other items and is often why some things are bundled together.

The change on the 26th was in part inspired by your feedback as I and Aiglatson discussed it on that day and I shared your concerns. I’m glad the change is to your satisfaction.

I don’t want any customer to be unhappy and not want to shop with us, but that’s a choice I will always respect. In rare cases I may offer the choice to have any orders refunded in full (and the products raffled for charity which I would personally match too) where a customer makes it clear I have not met their needs. I try to foster inclusivity and always want to hear my customers opinions and thoughts.

With that in mind, I’m more than happy to offer you a free Constance TKL in your choice of configuration when the group buy starts as a gesture of goodwill.

I always enjoyed our conversations and looked forward to your replies and the friendly discussion that often came about. Being challenged is a great motivator for improvement and that’s something I always welcome.

Offline dskeeb

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 06 October 2024, 16:31:57 »
Update [26/09/2024]
According to the survey results, over 50% of users are interested in plates other than aluminum. You’ll now be able to choose your full plate of choice. Aluminum, PP, and PC are available at no extra charge, while CF will have a $10 additional cost. We truly appreciate your input!

I'm so glad I came across your update note on 26 Sep, 2024 today on 5 Oct, 2024. I'm equally glad that you have turned out to be a designer that would make changes when they are good for everyone.

On the very same day, 26 Sep, unaware of your updates, I contacted my local vendor and expressed my dismay about the pricing structure being discriminatory towards customers wanting non-metalic plates. All vendor's responses were based on his own assumptions but presenting them as a fact and keep escalating a simple discussion to a full feud now. The last discussion from this vendor was, he was happy to cancel all my standing orders when I didn't ask to do so.

Even though it is going to cost me more, I will not allow to be bullied by my local vendor and will place my Constance TKL order with another vendor.

Once again, thank you for your integrity as a designer to identify and fix the problem quickly.

Thanks so much for reaching out and for your kind words about the update! I'm really glad you found it helpful. I'm sorry to hear about the frustrating experience you've had with your local vendor. I've worked with the vendors I chose for Constance on multiple projects, and I do believe they're good vendors who wouldn't intend for anyone, especially a potential customer, to feel that way. That said, I don't know all the details, and I sincerely hope everything can be resolved smoothly.

Thank you for your thoughtful and mutual response to my earlier post. I'm pleased had a part in something positive.

In case the community hasn't realised what just has happened yet; All customers wish to use non-metalic plates with this board now pay $30 less than in the previous pricing structure. Please thank Aiglatson Studio for "their decision" but I like, personally, thank those on my local vendor's live stream today (Sunday 06/Oct) that called me all sort of names while this thread was being shown and my local vendor insisting he was not a bully.

One quick question please:

The image titled: "Spray Cream + Patina brass weight" would you say, in person, the cream color more accurately represented on the left or right side please?

I'm only sharing my thoughts on Constance TKL bumpon feet style and it is entirely up to you if you would like to do further work on it or not. Thank you for your attention in advance.

I know I may be too late on the board's feet solution. After watching the build stream by friend of yours, great job (its so heavy x 1m time), I would have kept the cutouts on the four corners only with the newly thicker bumpons. Currently you have to make far more cutouts and these cutouts have no functional meaning and consequently you have to use more materials to cover them up. You would significantly reduce manufacturing time and cost by making four cutouts instead of over 16 (approx). Sorry, I coudn't count them precisely.

My common sense, not scientifically, tells me less sounds from vibration would escape from the bottom case having only four cutouts instead of 16 (approx). In your new design, the weight of the board is pressed against the four corners only now.

Another concern I have is, since the end points are thicker than the middle part (bumpon strip) after releasing stress/force on each ends it would cause a curve, outwardly, in middle part of the strip. Putting down the board on the desk will introduce the stress/force on each ends and once the board is lifted up the force is released. If the curve is a stronger force than the tightness of the bumpon clips then they would pop out or eventually become loose after few repetitions. Considering the board often is moved or dragged over a textured/rough deskmats it would make the strip to come out much easier as well.

I'm certain, aesthetically, the bottom side still will look good, if not better, with only four bumpons.

I personally don't mind you pocket all the savings, if any, you would make out of the these changes.

Please consider my proposal and I encourage others that agree with my findings to drop a post too for an assurance to a designer that will listen to the community. Thank you.

Offline leftcoastfunk

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 06 October 2024, 19:54:05 »
Personally, I can't see how the way they redesigned the feet would cause enough strange forces to make them "pop out" or become loose. I love the new design of the foot strips, as I think it's a very novel and creative way to maintain the desired aesthetic while functionally behaving similar to how four individual bumpons would. Greatly prefer they keep the feet design as-is

What I'm not convinced of, and still wish they'd reconsider, is the branding. I fully understand the designer wanting to get their name out there, but there's a reason why most custom keyboards have extremely subtle external branding if any at all - I think it cheapens the look of the board in a lot of cases. This is personal opinion, though I know I'm not alone on this topic. We tend to see branding like this most on pre-builts and retail boards. IMHO the design of the board should speak for itself. Aiglatson studio already has a logo on the toblerone weight, which should be enough for the exterior of the board. People are going to see the board and say "Oh is that the aiglatson?" Instead, they should be seeing it and saying "Oooh is that the Constance?" Where the bottom case has "Aiglatson" printed would look considerably better if "CONSTANCE" were printed there using the same font they used on the interior. The designer could then have more branding in the interior of the board. To be frank, it may seem minor but it's the likeliest thing to keep me from buying the board which otherwise looks amazing

Offline dskeeb

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 06 October 2024, 20:15:55 »
Personally, I can't see how the way they redesigned the feet would cause enough strange forces to make them "pop out" or become loose. I love the new design of the foot strips, as I think it's a very novel and creative way to maintain the desired aesthetic while functionally behaving similar to how four individual bumpons would. Greatly prefer they keep the feet design as-is

The strange force is more of a concern to me than a proven issue. I have to have the board on hand to test it myself. However, technically all the cutouts between end points have no functional meaning because technically they are no longer are "bumpon feet". To me that is a good reason not to have them anymore. Furthermore, it would add more weight, albeit negligence, to the bottom case.

I would also agree with all saying they rather see the name of the board engraved outside of the case.

Offline leftcoastfunk

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 06 October 2024, 21:47:38 »
The strange force is more of a concern to me than a proven issue. I have to have the board on hand to test it myself. However, technically all the cutouts between end points have no functional meaning because technically they are no longer are "bumpon feet". To me that is a good reason not to have them anymore. Furthermore, it would add more weight, albeit negligence, to the bottom case.

Yeah you're right they have no functional meaning. The designer already said it was so that they could keep their preferred aesthetic of the long strips along the bottom without negatively impacting the sound characteristics. I don't mind it, I actually like the look of the long strips better (on this particular board)

Also, the more weight the better :) I love few things more than a heavy keyboard (typing this on my 4.9kg Mammoth lol)

cheers

Offline aiglatsonstudio

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 09 October 2024, 01:47:50 »
Update [26/09/2024]
According to the survey results, over 50% of users are interested in plates other than aluminum. You’ll now be able to choose your full plate of choice. Aluminum, PP, and PC are available at no extra charge, while CF will have a $10 additional cost. We truly appreciate your input!

I'm so glad I came across your update note on 26 Sep, 2024 today on 5 Oct, 2024. I'm equally glad that you have turned out to be a designer that would make changes when they are good for everyone.

On the very same day, 26 Sep, unaware of your updates, I contacted my local vendor and expressed my dismay about the pricing structure being discriminatory towards customers wanting non-metalic plates. All vendor's responses were based on his own assumptions but presenting them as a fact and keep escalating a simple discussion to a full feud now. The last discussion from this vendor was, he was happy to cancel all my standing orders when I didn't ask to do so.

Even though it is going to cost me more, I will not allow to be bullied by my local vendor and will place my Constance TKL order with another vendor.

Once again, thank you for your integrity as a designer to identify and fix the problem quickly.

Thanks so much for reaching out and for your kind words about the update! I'm really glad you found it helpful. I'm sorry to hear about the frustrating experience you've had with your local vendor. I've worked with the vendors I chose for Constance on multiple projects, and I do believe they're good vendors who wouldn't intend for anyone, especially a potential customer, to feel that way. That said, I don't know all the details, and I sincerely hope everything can be resolved smoothly.

Thank you for your thoughtful and mutual response to my earlier post. I'm pleased had a part in something positive.

In case the community hasn't realised what just has happened yet; All customers wish to use non-metalic plates with this board now pay $30 less than in the previous pricing structure. Please thank Aiglatson Studio for "their decision" but I like, personally, thank those on my local vendor's live stream today (Sunday 06/Oct) that called me all sort of names while this thread was being shown and my local vendor insisting he was not a bully.

One quick question please:

The image titled: "Spray Cream + Patina brass weight" would you say, in person, the cream color more accurately represented on the left or right side please?

I'm only sharing my thoughts on Constance TKL bumpon feet style and it is entirely up to you if you would like to do further work on it or not. Thank you for your attention in advance.

I know I may be too late on the board's feet solution. After watching the build stream by friend of yours, great job (its so heavy x 1m time), I would have kept the cutouts on the four corners only with the newly thicker bumpons. Currently you have to make far more cutouts and these cutouts have no functional meaning and consequently you have to use more materials to cover them up. You would significantly reduce manufacturing time and cost by making four cutouts instead of over 16 (approx). Sorry, I coudn't count them precisely.

My common sense, not scientifically, tells me less sounds from vibration would escape from the bottom case having only four cutouts instead of 16 (approx). In your new design, the weight of the board is pressed against the four corners only now.

Another concern I have is, since the end points are thicker than the middle part (bumpon strip) after releasing stress/force on each ends it would cause a curve, outwardly, in middle part of the strip. Putting down the board on the desk will introduce the stress/force on each ends and once the board is lifted up the force is released. If the curve is a stronger force than the tightness of the bumpon clips then they would pop out or eventually become loose after few repetitions. Considering the board often is moved or dragged over a textured/rough deskmats it would make the strip to come out much easier as well.

I'm certain, aesthetically, the bottom side still will look good, if not better, with only four bumpons.

I personally don't mind you pocket all the savings, if any, you would make out of the these changes.

Please consider my proposal and I encourage others that agree with my findings to drop a post too for an assurance to a designer that will listen to the community. Thank you.

For the image, please check out Geon's stream where you can see a more accurate representation of the color.

Regarding the feet design, the reason for the many cutouts is to ensure the feet sit flush with the case. As for concerns about the feet popping out, they’re made from 90a hardness silicone, so I believe they will be able to bear the weight of the keyboard without deforming much.

If we find any more issues, we’ll make sure to fix them, and they won’t be present in the production units. Thanks again for your feedback!

Offline tactilesbad

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 10 October 2024, 08:52:12 »
In case the community hasn't realised what just has happened yet; All customers wish to use non-metalic plates with this board now pay $30 less than in the previous pricing structure. Please thank Aiglatson Studio for "their decision" but I like, personally, thank those on my local vendor's live stream today (Sunday 06/Oct) that called me all sort of names while this thread was being shown and my local vendor insisting he was not a bully.

they're right though. you should be thanking pT in the first place

Offline EdgeOfInfinity

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 10 October 2024, 18:32:40 »
does a purple prototype exist? i would love to see a pic before choosing a color

Offline aiglatsonstudio

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 13 October 2024, 00:21:19 »
does a purple prototype exist? i would love to see a pic before choosing a color

This is the only photo we have of the purple.

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Offline Fulanito

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 15 October 2024, 09:47:56 »
I love this. Is there any color or treatment information and picture of the Fenix patina weight? I am trying to decide which weight would best go with the Assam color. Thank you!

Offline mr_foggy

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 16 October 2024, 04:18:47 »
I love everything about this board except the price. for how many units it's gonna sell, I feel like it can be a tad cheaper.

Offline hekt1k

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 17 October 2024, 00:14:41 »
would love if the full brass bottom was also available to purchase outright vs. rng

(I do appreciate the giveaway though!)

Offline aiglatsonstudio

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 20 October 2024, 13:47:43 »
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I love this. Is there any color or treatment information and picture of the Fenix patina weight? I am trying to decide which weight would best go with the Assam color. Thank you!

Here you go ;D

Offline IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 20 October 2024, 14:34:56 »
would love if the full brass bottom was also available to purchase outright vs. rng

(I do appreciate the giveaway though!)

Same. I’m not playing around w “buy it aftermarket” or “maybe we’ll sell it later”

Offline Fulanito

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 21 October 2024, 20:32:06 »
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I love this. Is there any color or treatment information and picture of the Fenix patina weight? I am trying to decide which weight would best go with the Assam color. Thank you!

Here you go ;D
Wonderful, thank you, this is the one to get!

Offline abyrd

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 23 October 2024, 04:16:39 »
Will the PCB be truly USB-C compliant? Specifically, will it have at least the two pulldown resistors required by the spec to enable 5v power supply?

I have encountered boards that have a USB-C port but can only be connected to USB-A on the computer side (TKD Cycle7). I don't understand why PCB designers do this (to save the cost of 2 resistors?) but it's apparently common.

Offline aiglatsonstudio

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 29 October 2024, 23:35:45 »
Will the PCB be truly USB-C compliant? Specifically, will it have at least the two pulldown resistors required by the spec to enable 5v power supply?

I have encountered boards that have a USB-C port but can only be connected to USB-A on the computer side (TKD Cycle7). I don't understand why PCB designers do this (to save the cost of 2 resistors?) but it's apparently common.

Yes, the PCB will be fully USB-C compliant.

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 31 October 2024, 12:32:45 »
Amazing, cant wait for this, just picked up my first group buy

Assam with Fenix Patina. Truly love the red design to counter the blue tgr tomo I am currently rocking.

Offline 0xcircuitbreaker

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Re: [IC] Constance - F13 TKL (GB LIVE 10 Oct, 2024 - 11 Nov, 2024)
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 31 October 2024, 12:39:55 »
Will the PCB be truly USB-C compliant? Specifically, will it have at least the two pulldown resistors required by the spec to enable 5v power supply?

I have encountered boards that have a USB-C port but can only be connected to USB-A on the computer side (TKD Cycle7). I don't understand why PCB designers do this (to save the cost of 2 resistors?) but it's apparently common.

Yes, the PCB will be fully USB-C compliant.

beautiful, this is icing on the cake I prefer the type C to type C cables greatly.

Truly excited this will be my first tkl as well!! Now I am on the hunt for the switches ;D!