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« on: Sat, 21 November 2009, 00:49:38 »
I stopped by the Apple store tonight to try the Apple Magic mouse. I just wanted to try the mousetop gestures. I really wasn't expecting to like it enough to buy it, but I ended up doing just that. It's a pretty cool device, but it's not a total love affair here.

First, here are the things that I find apealing about it. The scroll gestures is cool and if I dare channel my inner New Englander, it is wicked cool. The scroll gestures alone made it worth my while to try it because I spend so much of my time scrolling around windows trying to figure out exactly where some piece of code went. The result of all this scrolling is a chronically sore knuckle joint in my middle finger that I use for the scroll wheel.

Why is this one feature so cool? It's because you can use the entire surface of the mouse to scroll. The problem I have with scroll wheels is that it takes too many scrolls to get to where you want and if you increase the sensitivity, you often end up overshooting. With the Magic Mouse you can cover several screens with one swipe and you can cover that distance at varying speeds because it senses momentum similar to the way the iPhone interface works.

It's 360 degree scroll and unlike the funky scroll ball that Apple had on their Mighty Mouse, this one scrolls smoothly.

I initially thought the sideways scrolling would be awkward, but the one finger side to side swiping is actually very easy to do. The two finger side to side swiping is another story though. I find that to be awkward, impractical, and physically a little uncomfortable to do repeatedly.

I also like that it's a low profile mouse so it can be moved with either a palm hand grip or a claw hand grip, but it feels like it was meant to be used with a palm hand grip. It's not the most comfortable claw grip mouse because it's so long and I either have to click far way enough from the front of the mouse that it takes more force to register a click or I have to grip up high so I'm dragging the heaviest part of the mouse around. I'll have a more refined opinion on this in a week or two.

It does take a fair amount of force to click it and I imagine it was intentional to give it a stiff feel so that gestures don't result in accidental clicks. I'm hoping that it breaks in a little. Like the  Apple Pro Mouse and the Mighty Mouse that preceeded it, the entire surface clicks, but unlike those mice, it's not the base of the mouse that clicks down, only the top clicks in. The entire top is essentially one thin button. I like this a lot better this way. I always found it awkward to have a mouse that sank in when you clicked it.

Now here are some negatives in my book.

It is heavy. I'm sure it couldn't be too light or the gestures would be hard to do, but I don't know how a heavy mouse will work with my mousing style.

The tracking speed is too slow for me. I haven't rebooted yet so it's possible my Razer drivers are still messing with the mousing interface, but I maxed out the tracking sensitivity once I turned it on and it's still way too slow for me. It may not be a problem for a lot of people. I happen to like having high gain movements with my mouse.

I miss having more than two buttons. I hope they release some firmware later that will give me more gestures or some way of simulating a third, fourth, and fifth button.

I'm not sure if this will permanently replace my Razer Diamondback, but it'll definitely be a preferred mouse for laptop use. I'll need some time getting used to it to have a firmer opinion. All I can say for certain now is that the scrolling is a lot easier to do and more useful than I expected it to be.
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 21 November 2009, 07:34:26 »
first question: can you configure it to left AND rightclick when tapping on each side and not clicking the whole mouse down?

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 21 November 2009, 08:12:35 »
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first question: can you configure it to left AND rightclick when tapping on each side and not clicking the whole mouse down?


No. I was hoping it would work with just tapping. I expect that after some time, there will be additional gestures and commands you can execute from the mouse. Apparently it's loaded with 138 capacitive sensors so it seems that it has the potential to be a lot more than a huge scroll surface.

On the other hand, tapping to click could be problematic because that could easily be confused with a gesture and ruin the user experience.
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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 21 November 2009, 18:00:47 »
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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 23 November 2009, 01:01:04 »
can we use it on PC?

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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 23 November 2009, 02:22:33 »
I saw on engadget.com (within the past few days) that PC drivers for this mouse appeared and are available but they didn't receive any press and I don't think all the functions of the mouse are supported. Search that site for more info. I didn't pay much attention since I'm a Mac guy.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 23 November 2009, 03:19:05 »
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I saw on engadget.com ...


You just got spam punk'd.
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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 23 November 2009, 06:54:15 »
i'm not a spammer dude..or any spambot you might think.. i saw the topic and i'm terested to know about this new mouse of mac.. sorry if you think of a spam here but i'm not.. btw i'm new here, sorry if did not introduce myself..

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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 23 November 2009, 07:38:22 »
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i'm not a spammer dude..or any spambot you might think.


You don't have to be a bot to smell like spam.
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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 23 November 2009, 19:14:46 »
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You just got spam punk'd.


I don't get it. What happened?

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 23 November 2009, 20:25:58 »
My computer broke.
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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 24 November 2009, 07:46:16 »
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I don't get it. What happened?


Look at the user specifics of searchengineplacement101.
  • Suspicious sounding username
  • spammy signature
  • low post count
  • barely tangential comment
All those add up to a 99% chance that it's someone comment spamming to lure people to a website or in hopes of driving up search engine relevance.
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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 24 November 2009, 08:56:08 »
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Look at the user specifics of searchengineplacement101.
  • Suspicious sounding username
  • spammy signature
  • low post count
  • barely tangential comment
All those add up to a 99% chance that it's someone comment spamming to lure people to a website or in hopes of driving up search engine relevance.

And with a URL entitled "Skyrocketrevenues" or similar associated with that username, I'd say that the accusation is spot-on.

Pro-tip for spammers...

**** off, not interested. Try a forum with a lower collective intelligence.
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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 25 November 2009, 20:42:52 »
Ok, I've had the Magic Mouse for almost a week now and I've been using it as my primary mouse in that time.

It sucks as a mouse... at least for a claw hand mouser like me who uses fingertip control to nudge the mouse around instead of with wrist motions. It's heavy so it's hard to move accurately with just fingertips and to make the buttons easier to press with a claw grip, you have to hold this mouse up very high, which causes you to drag the mouse around by its head. This causes the mouse to skew and mouse movements become inaccurate.

The mouse button is very stiff and hard to press. Maybe it'll loosen up with time, but my hands can't afford to try that exercise so I've returned to my Razer Diamondback with nice soft oversized buttons.

As a two button mouse it's also very problematic that there is nothing that separates the two buttons from each other. The Apple Mighty Mouse, which is the predecessor to the Magic Mouse also had the "invisible" right click button, but there was a scroll ball in the middle that could give you some tactile feedback when your right finger has drifted over to the wrong side. That drift happened often because I often would use two fingers to click because it was so stiff.

It's low profile also makes it hard to click. A lot of people have derided the low profile of the mouse as something that will cause hand pain because it's hard to grip. It's actually not that hard to grip if you're a palm grip mouser. It's not a tiny mouse and fits fine in your palm. The problem with the low profile is that in combination with the stiff button, it doesn't give you much leverage to put force on the button.

Those are the bad things about it and I'm really disapointed because the multitouch aspects of the mouse are really really cool. It's a nice multitouch pad and works very very well in that capacity. It's accurate, doesn't register false touches, and tracks movements extremely well.

Having gestures available at fingertip control with my mouse hand was very handy and the ability to scroll with a swipe felt much more accurate than doing the same with a scroll wheel. It really felt like I was using a trackball. A hard fast swipe gives you momentum that goes far and a quick tap stops the scrolling on a dime... like you were spinning a trackball. I'd be interested to see if some hacks come out that allow you to tap to click or control the pointer with the touch surface. You can't do that currently. The touch surface only allows you to scroll through windows.

The mouse isn't $75 totally down the hole for me. I have it placed on the right of my keyboard so I have quick access to it as a quick way of navigating within windows. While, I'm disappointed that I couldn't use this as my regular everyday mouse, it will end up being a worthwhile purchase. It really comes in handy in a big way when doing database work. It makes it really easy for me to pan around a view of a database table so I can zip to the right off the screen to read a field value in the 40th column.

I'm developing a double fisted mousing habit. My right hand goes on my Razer mouse. My left hand waves around on my Magic [strike]Mouse[/strike] touchpad.
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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 26 November 2009, 18:34:49 »
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I'm developing a double fisted mousing habit. My right hand goes on my Razer...


You have NO idea how much I am having to refrain from making Smutty comments ;-)
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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 27 November 2009, 01:11:02 »
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I'd be interested to see if some hacks come out that allow you to tap to click or control the pointer with the touch surface. You can't do that currently. The touch surface only allows you to scroll through windows.


BetterTouchTool. I'm not sure if it does what you want (doesn't look like it) but it does add quite a bit more functionality. I'm actually considering the Magic Mouse thanks to this app.

*I'm not affiliated with the BetterTouchTool devs. Just some guy studying his options for a new mouse.

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 27 November 2009, 02:13:45 »
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You have NO idea how much I am having to refrain from making Smutty comments ;-)


Hey! What people do with their input devices in the privacy of their own homes...
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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 27 November 2009, 06:41:32 »
I move mine around on a 20-year-old piece of plastic with a picture of Wallace and Gromit on it.
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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 27 November 2009, 11:56:08 »
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I move mine around on a 20-year-old piece of plastic with a picture of Wallace and Gromit on it.


Whoa whoa whoa! That's TMI... too much information!
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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 27 November 2009, 13:12:20 »
Isn't that what information technology is all about?
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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 29 December 2010, 21:36:42 »
it's a software program that gives you more control over the magic mouse and you can do the three or four clicking that you asked for.

http://magicprefs.com/