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Offline fbl2g

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tenkeyless arrived, advice with customisation
« on: Thu, 20 January 2011, 22:04:16 »
geekhackers!

So, my filco tenkeyless w/browns arrived about two weeks ago now, and so far its ****ing awesome. big props for all the advice you guys gave, best purchase i've made since switching to a 120hz monitor :P

Anyway, I'm looking for some further advice on two things in particular.

The first being that i'd really like to customize this keyboard. Mainly the keycaps. I'd really like to design my own keycaps and have them created by someone, but after doing a fair bit of research I can see that this would be close to impossible. I have about $100-200 spare to spend for this one, so if anyone knows if it is possible to order a custom set, or at least choose from a range of pre-made ones (different colors and blank or color-on-color keycaps would be the most important factor here) let me know!

(quick side note: i'm also based in Australia, but would be willing to make extra room in the budget for shipping)

Second thing, on the same note, is that I'm not quite sure exactly what types of keys i should be buying. When i read through the group buys, I get confused a little too easy when trying to make sense of all the abbreviations for materials, types of caps, types of printing and etc. I know I want doubleshot keycaps, but thats about it.

If anyone could help me out here by filling me in as to what types of keys would be best suited for my filco tenkeyless, or what I should be looking out for in these group buys, it would be appreciated.

thanks again in advance lads :)
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Offline Nadger

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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 20 January 2011, 22:31:47 »
Is it weird that after reading you were in Australia, I automatically read the rest of your post with an aussie accent? =X

On topic...Yes designing your own keycaps is crazy expensive, unless you can convince others to buy your design too an coordinate a mass order from signature plastics.  The main thing you need to consider when buying keycaps, especially from various sources, is keycap profile.

Each row has its own profile, and there are many different families of profiles to choose from.  So I dont recommended buying from multiple sources.  You want them to all be from the same family, or else you will end up with something thats not comfortable to type on.

I would suggest you read over Keycaps 101 available here: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/keycaps-101.php

As well as the geekhack wiki on keycaps. It will go over all the different types of plastics there are.

But for the most part your options are fairly limited to minor cosmetic keys like a red ESC,  or ClickClack's custom keycaps, WSAD filco replacements.  Or full keysets like the ducky black on black keysets, or the group buy keysets.  There are blank filco sets available too that match your current keycap profile and key sizes.

Were you looking for full on key replacements or just accents?

Im checking with a custom shop friend of mine if its possible to sublimate onto keycaps with typical custom shop setups.  I'll get back to you when I know.  If you can, then you could buy a set of blank white keys and sublimate whatever you wanted onto them at a local shop that does sublimation printing.  You know the type that does custom mugs, tshirts, etc.  It would HAVE to be white keycaps for it to work though, and since the keycap top is a complicated shape its probably not possible to do at a local shop.

Edit: just as i suspected it cant really be done at normal custom shops.  Even if the key was flat like a laptop key, the pressure required from the press would likely damage it, failing that the temperate of 250-300 degrees would ;x
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Offline theferenc

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 20 January 2011, 23:46:47 »
While I agree, the Cherry Corp. POS doubleshots are really nice, I didn't like the scooped, rather than nubbed, F and J keys. Some prefer them, but it's worth pointing out the difference before you go looking to buy any.

Not as weird as the old apple keyboards that put nubs on D and K. That **** is just whack.
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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 21 January 2011, 01:05:17 »
Granted, I just wanted to make sure he was aware, that's all.

We both know not everyone is going to take the time to read the wikis. And I really did like those keys, except for the scoops rather than nubs.
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Offline theferenc

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 21 January 2011, 01:08:38 »
Not liking a specific switch type makes me pretty picky? Interesting world you live in there, ripster.

Everyone here is, by definition, picky about their keyboards. We all have likes and dislikes. I think my HHKB is the bees knees. You disagree.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, it's all personal opinion. We're both right, and we're both wrong. It's just a matter of perspective.
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Offline fbl2g

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 21 January 2011, 01:09:55 »
alright, if thats the case, am I better off looking into one of the group buys?

What i'm after is most likely a blank set of colors (similar to the rit dye job shown in majestouch's(i think?) avatar) and hopefully some color-on-color prints as well.

While typing this out, i've come across the group buy for the KBC colored keycaps.. (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=14085). Would it be possible to get these over to australia :O!?
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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 21 January 2011, 07:19:53 »
Quote from: theferenc;282145
Interesting world you live in there, ripster.


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Offline CeeSA

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 21 January 2011, 09:42:44 »
join the groupbuy for doubleshot keys

Offline bakageta

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 21 January 2011, 13:39:17 »
The KBC keys are your best bet for colored blanks, they match filco's key profile so you can mix and match with your stock keys. You might see if the double shot round 2 takes off, the round 3 set isn't very colorful. Those keys are a different profile, so you'd need to use the whole set for it to feel right.

I picked up some KBC keys and love them, for what that's worth.