What's the difference between this 2 filco models?

[Zet]

Greetings again GHers,

After debating myself much much, checking back and forth I'll be getting a Filco keyboard with my next paycheck in like 2 weeks. So, I just wanted to know the difference between this two models of filcos with brown switches...

The FKB104M/EB and the FKBN104M/EB2
The /EB has the logo on silver, and the EB2 has the logo on gold, just for the record.

Thanks a lot in advance!
Regards,
Zet

PS: I'll be getting the FKB104M/UKB which has the UK 105 key layout, and a gold logo from thekeyboardco, but just to know, is there a way to get the other version of this with the silver logo? Thanks!

[Zet]

found a thread meaning the same, closing this one, sorry for the spam =/

similar thread found here: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?17744-Should-I-wait-for-Majestouch-2

[Zet]

Still, someone with experience with both majestouch and majestouch2 can explain the pro's and con's or whats the big difference between them? Also, is it worth it to get a tenkeyless m2 rather than a full m1?

thanks!

[Human]

Filco Keyboard modelling:
FKB - Filco KB
N/(nil) - NKRO or normal
numbers - numbers of keys
[M|MC|ML|MR] - Switch type (M - brown, MC - blue, ML - black, MR - red)
/
[NBER|AI|EB|FRB|GRB|ITB|SWB|UKB] - Layout type (SWB - Swe/Fin (ISO), EB - US (ASCII), ... )
[2] - PCB (none - type 1, 2 - type 2)(AKA the Majestouch or Majestouch 2)

Credit to nolo from GH

[brkim1324]

there's really not much difference between those 1 and 2. I have both 1 and 2.
The only difference is the texture made with, and it is said 2 is made of dual layered on the bottom of the keys.
Filco says 2's gonna provide more stable and firm typing experience but so far there's really not much difference except just the plastic texture difference little bit.

[Human]

there's really not much difference between those 1 and 2. I have both 1 and 2.
The only difference is the texture made with, and it is said 2 is made of dual layered on the bottom of the keys.
Filco says 2's gonna provide more stable and firm typing experience but so far there's really not much difference except just the plastic texture difference little bit.

Plastic texture on the keycaps? They both gonna get worn + shiny in the end unless it is PBT.

[brkim1324]

Plastic texture on the keycaps? They both gonna get worn + shiny in the end unless it is PBT.

Yea, I didn't say they r not gonna shine
It's just different. Not better or worse. Just little bit different texture. I like Majestouch 2 texture better though.

[mmmty]

They both look the same to me. I can't tell the difference. Top is FKB104M/EB and bottom is FKBN104MR/EB2. Just saw that my brown Filco is missing an "N". No N-key for me. But that's okay - I'm not a gamer. I looked at the bottom of the keys and brown had number 47 on the inside while red had 20. Don't know what the numbers mean.

[Zet]

both keyboards, in fact, all filcos keyboards are NKRO if used with PS2 adapter, right?

Would the double layered bottom what benefits is it supposed to bring? aside from a more firm typing experience...


looking at the techincal point, having a dual layered bottom would mean... what in terms of soldering for example. Lets say in the future a M1 user wants to unsolder a switch, and replace it with another, soldering the new one back in, is this process gonna be easier and less complicated than the one that the M2 user would have to do?

Thanks for the info!

PS: too bad the UK layout is available only on the tenkeyless, not full layout (

[Zet]

Gold USB connectors don't make any difference, I readed here on GH I think, since the connector inside is already gold, so the outside part of the connector being gold is just some cosmetic 'improvement' not a better connection one. So I think I'll get the M1 full layout. Plus if someday a key fails or something, ill replace it with a switch from the keypad.
this is possible right?

Thanks!

[alaricljs]

The dual layer pcb with plated through holes can make desoldering easier.  Also the change in pcb resin makes it more resistant to high temperatures.  So all told, the newer model should be easier to deal with swapping out switches.  How much easier?  Not that much.

[mmmty]

Golden Filco!! FKBN104MC/EB.

[Human]

both keyboards, in fact, all filcos keyboards are NKRO if used with PS2 adapter, right?

Would the double layered bottom what benefits is it supposed to bring? aside from a more firm typing experience...


looking at the techincal point, having a dual layered bottom would mean... what in terms of soldering for example. Lets say in the future a M1 user wants to unsolder a switch, and replace it with another, soldering the new one back in, is this process gonna be easier and less complicated than the one that the M2 user would have to do?

Thanks for the info!

PS: too bad the UK layout is available only on the tenkeyless, not full layout (

Nope, only those with ''N'' is having ps/2 NKRO.
Also for your extra information, so far non of FILCO is having USB NKRO.

Also, if you are afraid of dealing with soldering or faulty switch, you better go for PCB mounted keyboard instead.

[Zet]

Nope, only those with ''N'' is having ps/2 NKRO.
Also for your extra information, so far non of FILCO is having USB NKRO.

Also, if you are afraid of dealing with soldering or faulty switch, you better go for PCB mounted keyboard instead.

NKRO is not a must for me since I the only game I play is SC2, in which in fact having 3KRO would be the best xD but perhaps I get to play with my future wife some fighting games or car race games both on the same keyboard so NKRO would be useful. ^_^ thanks for the note

[brkim1324]

Golden Filco!! FKBN104MC/EB.

man that looks sexy!

[brkim1324]

NKRO is not a must for me since I the only game I play is SC2, in which in fact having 3KRO would be the best xD but perhaps I get to play with my future wife some fighting games or car race games both on the same keyboard so NKRO would be useful. ^_^ thanks for the note

I did notice your avatar there. I only play SC2 these days for gaming.. although I have so many other games I purchased... I somehow just keep playing SC2 only... too lazy to even play other games... although I paid for them...
but having NKRO is a nice bonus though. In case you play computer PUMP/DDR with your friends or play 2 player something

[Zet]

Just give your future wife a USB keyboard and plug them both in for multiplayer.  Multiple 2KRO would work fine most likely.

Anyway, do PC titles even DO multiplayer anymore?

old school gamer here xD

[Zet]

I did notice your avatar there. I only play SC2 these days for gaming.. although I have so many other games I purchased... I somehow just keep playing SC2 only... too lazy to even play other games... although I paid for them...
but having NKRO is a nice bonus though. In case you play computer PUMP/DDR with your friends or play 2 player something

do you play on US/NA server btw?

[brkim1324]

do you play on US/NA server btw?

yea, I am in NY. XD

[brkim1324]

Just give your future wife a USB keyboard and plug them both in for multiplayer. Multiple 2KRO would work fine most likely.

Anyway, do PC titles even DO multiplayer anymore?

what...!!! PC is ALL ABOUT online these days.. which I don't like it too much.
They just focus too much on Online that Singleplay just sucks... including Consoles..

[brkim1324]

I'm talking multiplayer on a single PC. Like Star Control 2. Whatever the f*** that is.

oh, yea I sometimes do with my friends.
Few years ago, we used to play those computer PUMP/DDR and racing games with same keyboard.
We play Magicka on same computer sometimes now

[Zet]

getting 2 joysticks I think would be better than playing both on 1 keyboard eh?

[brkim1324]

getting 2 joysticks I think would be better than playing both on 1 keyboard eh?

For magicka, I play with keyboard and my friends play with controllers XD
they are console players. They cannot handle with the awesomeness of KEYBOARD.. especially Filco...

[Zet]

For magicka, I play with keyboard and my friends play with controllers XD
they are console players. They cannot handle with the awesomeness of KEYBOARD.. especially Filco...

btw Kim, tell me have you tryied playing sc2 with mx blue switches, is double tapping a problem? like for constantly checking nexus/gates back and forth so see the production progress, is blue switches a problem? also, with brown switches there should be not a problem, right?

[brkim1324]

btw Kim, tell me have you tryied playing sc2 with mx blue switches, is double tapping a problem? like for constantly checking nexus/gates back and forth so see the production progress, is blue switches a problem? also, with brown switches there should be not a problem, right?

I used to play with blue switches for a month, and nope, not a problem at all. In fact, it feels great. Many SC progamers also use blue switches. SlayersBoxer practice with blue at home. My friend is GM and he plays fine with it. He says blue switch is so far best for him. For me, I like Red more than blue. It just feels better and more comfortable. My fingers hurt after playing about 2 hours with blue, but not Red.
But many progamers still play SC with membrane like DT 35 which is not even 6key rollover.
Nestea, one of the previous champion of GSL, still plays with membrane keyboard, DT 35.
There are just gamers who insist on playing with the same keyboard they have been using despite the fact they can afford new mechanical keyboard.
And they still play outstanding.. So I guess it's not really the keyboard that makes gamers win better.. but just play better and feel better while they play..
For brown, I am actually getting my first brown today! XD
UPS better arrive here soon..

[Zet]

I see, well, too bad that there is no mx red switches available with UK layout, not even tenkeyless, only US ANSI layout =/
Also, this will probably be my one and only mechanical keyboard, I have other stuff I wanna buy before than spending another 200usd on a keyboard.

About the DT35, yeah, well on korea its like 20usd for it, so I guess they have like a room full of them and when it starts failing, the rubber dome gets harder, they just change it, lol

I didn't knew BoxeR uses blue switches... but then again, the noise with blues+high APM, must be something... lol
I think I'm doing fine by picking browns, since this keyboard will be for both, gaming and typing

[nolo]

Credit to nolo from GH

I feel honoured thx

I should do a Filco wiki someday.

This would be a great thing. Please do it

[Arc'xer]

Can everybody stop with the whole "I don't need NKRO".

Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean it's useless. Think of it as a redundancy in case of when you do need it or when it occurs. All keyboards are limited either by USB(6 key+4 modifiers), USB-Custom(increased/full NKRO through special controller), or PS/2(Full NKRO). That is the limitations of the port that you are using. When you have an NKRO keyboard either a cherry mx diode or a topre nestled hierarchy. You have a redundancy system which gives you full NKRO over the entire keyboard with any combination of any keys only limited in output by the port that you are using.

I wish they'd stop selling non-NKRO keyboards and sell every keyboard with NKRO so these posts aren't necessary. If your paying this much for a keyboard is an extra 10 or 15 dollars going to kill you for some diodes plus if your paying this much for a keyboard don't you think it deserves to have as much capacity to do it's job as possible.

It's like imagining if topres had the same issues. I think people would go ape**** knowing a 200-300 dollar keyboard is less capable than one half or more than half it's cost.

[canon.tk]

I need NKRO.  It's the reason I started looking for better keyboards a year ago (I didn't know anything about mechanical keyboards then).  While I was gaming my computer would beep at me.  Long story short, I found the Hard forum, then elitekeyboards and ordered a Filco with blacks and never had the problem again.

[Zet]

Any ways, Ripster, I want to know your input on this, aside the difference on the outside material of the keyboard, what do you think about the M vs the M2? I want the full layout, but tenkeyless is sexy also, too bad there's no m2 version with 105 keys layout =/