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Offline margonaute

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Siig Minitouch with some sticky keys?
« on: Thu, 26 April 2012, 19:54:37 »
Erstwhile lurker here. I just bought a Siig Minitouch as my second mechanical board after guessing that it might be ALPS, not buckling spring, that was the source of the "good keyboard feeling" I'd been remembering from computer labs past. I really like it so far. The keys feel a bit stiffer than my Model M, but there are a few keys that seem extra stiff, and I think it might be more than just me not being used to this switch type. It seems like it's mostly the larger keys—the L-shaped enter, the backspace, and (to a lesser extent) the left shift key—that are kind of sticky. If you hit them in just the right spot (middle to outer edge) and press down as perpendicular to the board as possible, they seem to depress without problem. But if you hit them more toward the inner edge, as I tend to do while typing since they are at the edges of the keyboard, they really stick and are tough to get down at all. I'm wondering, is that just the way it is with this switch type and the larger keys, that you have to be more precise with the way you hit them? (The space bar is no problem at all.) Or could they be gummy/need cleaning or be damaged somehow?

The seller listed it as "refurbished" and said it was fully tested, so I don't know if it was an oversight or damage during shipping or just the way these keyboards are after a certain age. I contacted them and am awaiting a response;  but in the meantime, has anyone experienced similar issues with this keyboard? I like it enough and it works well enough that if the seller ends up saying, "tough ****," I'd still be happy to use it and see if there's anything I can do to make it work a little better... Or maybe my pinky strength just isn't all it needs to be and after some practice I'll be able to power-mash through those sticky keys? I'm really liking it otherwise! :/ And I do think ALPS were the "good keyboard feeling" I was after!

Offline Autolyze

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Siig Minitouch with some sticky keys?
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 26 April 2012, 22:25:08 »
This is to be expected on a Minitouch. The enter key in particular has a stabilizer on the left side that makes pressing the key there feel much, much firmer than pressing it directly on the switch. I'm afraid that I'm fairly new to the world of Alps-like switches, so I can't offer too much of an explanation, but it doesn't sound like there's anything wrong with your board.

Edit: I just got a Minitouch with Monterey blue switches today and this issue isn't too noticeable on it, but the switches are significantly lighter than on my Minitouch with white XMs. As I understand it, Alps keys in general don't respond particularly well to being pressed far away from the switch, but the spacebar stabilizers clearly negate this effect enough on the Minitouch.
« Last Edit: Thu, 26 April 2012, 22:27:38 by Autolyze »

Offline margonaute

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Siig Minitouch with some sticky keys?
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 26 April 2012, 23:52:20 »
Huh, so I guess that's good news? Kind of? Looking at this picture, I can certainly see now why the enter key would act that way, due to where the switch is placed in the center of that giant key (never understood the L-shaped enter key). I wonder if there's anything I can do to counteract the sticky feeling, other than training my little fingers to stretch farther out to hit the center of those keys? Is there anything that can be greased or something?

I do think the board could use a good cleaning anyway. Do you have any tips on care and feeding of the Minitouch? Or any leads on colored/custom keycaps? So many non-standard-sized keys on that board! Like that tab key that snakes up to the 1? Wacky. I was also reading that removing the keycaps on ALPS boards without damaging anything can be tricky—could you recommend which kind of key puller would be best?

I do still really like it. The small size is especially nice on my mouse arm! I'll just have to find a way to make it work...

Offline Autolyze

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Siig Minitouch with some sticky keys?
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 27 April 2012, 06:49:05 »
I think you may be stuck having to train yourself to hit some of the keys more towards their centers, but it's possible that lube could make a little difference.

I can't offer too much advice on cleaning the Minitouch in particular, since I only got my first one in March and it was pretty much new in box. The wiki should have info on general keyboard cleaning, but I've got to run to work so I don't have time to dig anything out. I feel like the wire key pullers are ideal for any kind of key, and I've had no problem with using one to remove some Alps keycaps. I do know that you need to be... careful with the Alps switches when removing keys, but I don't have much experience in the area.

There's a group buy in the works for some doubleshots that would mostly work on a Minitouch. I don't think Signature Plastic has the molds for the funky enter or tab, but the bulk of the keys should be fine.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30241-IC-Alps-double-shot

Offline margonaute

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 28 April 2012, 10:11:48 »
Oh well, thanks for the info. That group buy looks like a long shot... (Everyone has to agree on the same thing, am I getting that right? Yikes.) The seller is offering to replace the board, but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble if that's just the way these kinds work. He also recommended removing the keycaps with two butter knives? Hmmm....