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Windows 8
« on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 12:09:46 »
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So Microsoft has recently finished up developing a new version of their Windows operating system and have begun to ship it out to hardware manufacturers. They are also taking a major step with the introduction of their new Surface tablet, marking their entrance into the hardware business. What do you all think about this? Will the Microsoft Surface and Windows 8 be a success?
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 12:21:10 »
Hard to say...I'm a .NET developer and attended a conference on windows 8. Aside from the new Metro UI, it's basically win 7 with no start menu and ribbons on windows explorer. Metro is a completely separate operating environment which boots by default and at the same time as windows 8. Metro is designed specifically for deployment on tablets/"slate" devices.

Metro is Microsoft's response to getting it's butt kicked by android and Apple in the slate arena, so they definitely want win 8 to be a success. Metro has various pluses/minuses for developers. It's a new framework, separate from. Net but built off of it. Different namespaces. Some code will convert cleanly but not all. VB and C# will convert best. GUI stuff will need to be completely redone...it's all XAML in Metro.
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 12:31:27 »
This "Metro" interface sure has been bugging me though. Do you know how exactly it works with interfaces like the Desktop? Will "Metro" applications and programs appear in the taskbar too? I also wonder how this new interface will handle task switching.

It'll certainly be interesting to see how it works once it comes out!
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 12:35:45 »
It's been possible to check it out for some time now:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/release-preview
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 12:55:15 »
From what I've seen/tried already, I'm really disappointed by Windows 8, although I was more than happy and satisfied with 7 !
Mostly because of that "standardization" (I don't really know if it's the word I'm looking for as I got it translated from French, but anyway), which forces us to go through Metro, even though we are on a computer.
I must admit that Metro seems well fitted for Tablets/Smartphones, but absolutely not, IMO, for computers.
That absence of start menu is also disturbing, as I was asking myself for quite a few minutes "How the hell do you restart/shutdown in here ?" ...

That was enough for me. But I ought to give it another try once it comes out, even though I'm not enthusiast at all about 8.
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 13:24:08 »
I've been using the previews since they were released. So far, I can say a TON of little things are new and nice (specifically anything and everything relating to explorer), but for the most part it's just like W7, yeah.

Metro apps are actually sort of dumb for the desktop, in my opinion, because they're forced to be full-screen apps. For people with small screen resolution this might be ok, but in some cases you have people running screens up to 2560x1600. To waste an entire screen on a single app is just kind of...well, a waste. Thankfully W7 is alive and well under the hood.

The only thing that I ever use that I fullscreen is Remote Desktop, and actually the metro version is quite nice. The Tab ribbon performs the same function as the taskbar integration (jump lists or something?) did in W7, but it's accessible in the app which is nice. If you work over VPN these little niceties may come in handy, but it's not that big of an improvement. Also the most needless feature in all of W8 is in Remote Desktop--they implemented drag inertia on the RDC titlebar. Drag it a little bit...and it keeps going! Oooo...?

One thing I really don't like is that they've integrated windows live accounts (now Microsoft Accounts) into the authentication mechanism, and you sort of "bind" a machine to a microsoft account, which tends to want to take the place of active directory accounts. This is intensely confusing to me so far. I'm hoping it'll change somehow for the better between the release preview and RTM.

Anyhow, I'll probably dive in when it drops on MSDN, if reluctantly, just like I did with Vista; it may not be a grand slam like W7 was but honestly the changes to task manager and explorer are enough for me to convert, no questions asked.


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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 13:26:49 »
Oh, also--the two things people really seem to be missing offhand are that Alt-C brings up the "Charms" sidebar (where power, networks, etc reside in the "settings" charm) and to close a metro app you cursor up to the top and drag downward.

Also honestly I don't know why people are so upset over the absence of the start button. You still get a menu when you hit the windows key, and you can use typeahead to filter the things in there. I thought everyone just launched things from the taskbar in w7 anyway?

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Re: Re: Windows 8
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 15:14:58 »
This "Metro" interface sure has been bugging me though. Do you know how exactly it works with interfaces like the Desktop? Will "Metro" applications and programs appear in the taskbar too? I also wonder how this new interface will handle task switching.

No...like I said it's a completely different operating environment, there is no interoperability between metro and windows. Metro does not even have access to the windows filesystem and ALL metro apps must be deployed to/downloaded from the metro apps store. You can think of metro more like a virtual system that just happens to boot at the same time and by default.

One plus with metro is the new CLR supports a lot more languages than .Net, including HTML5 and javascript. From what I've heard, a lot of folks think it will be great on the desktop for kids as it's easy to use and the metro store has a lot of good apps for kids.

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 16:29:54 »
Oh, also--the two things people really seem to be missing offhand are that Alt-C brings up the "Charms" sidebar (where power, networks, etc reside in the "settings" charm) and to close a metro app you cursor up to the top and drag downward.

Also honestly I don't know why people are so upset over the absence of the start button. You still get a menu when you hit the windows key, and you can use typeahead to filter the things in there. I thought everyone just launched things from the taskbar in w7 anyway?

Hey...I don't care about losing the Start button! I use Windows 3.1. Program Manager doesn't have a Start button! ; )
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 23:13:04 »
I've been using the consumer preview for awhile. I don't even touch metro right now. I can't even access the store to update apps. It keeps telling me my version of windows is outdated...?

My taskbar is hidden until I mouse over, and sometimes ( a lot of times) the taskbar won't popup when I try to hover over, so I press the Start button to bring it up instead. Well... that was the case with Windows 7. Not an option with Windows 8... so I've been forced to reboot just to get my taskbar working again. Hopefully this is just an early bug... but this issue came up in Windows 7 too. It'd be nice if one tap on the windows key would bring up the task bar, and a double-tap would bring up the metro ui.

I'm still in for a copy when it releases though. I'm pretty sold on the Microsoft Surface coming out in 2013, unless something better comes out before then. It's basically the embodiment of my dream machine for over a decade now.

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 09 August 2012, 05:16:46 »
MS is so full of crap these days, what's with the fragmented development thing?

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 09 August 2012, 08:20:22 »
A new framework was necessary, I believe, in order to target ARM processors. Could it replace .net one day? Who knows.

Interestingly, it's un-managed unlike. Net and for this reason developers are calling it "COM 3" :D

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 09 August 2012, 10:00:41 »
I was using the release preview for about two weeks, and have been back on Win7 this last week and a half.

There is a lot to like about Windows 8:
+ It's fast, faster even than Windows 7. It feels almost XP-like on my little netbook and my atom-based tablet.
+ The new full-screen start menu is actually quite good. It's a little bit dumb about arranging your programs, but if you put a little effort into arranging things it works well. I normally use a program launcher (Launchy), but the new start menu's improved find feature has largely replaced that.
+ The window decorations are more sparse. Things still have a glass look, but gone is the weird shinyness and rounded corners. Ugly? Ugly in the same way a Model M is ugly - which is to say, beautifully functional.
+ Many basic dialogue boxes and basic OS functions are significantly improved. The file copy dialogue and process manager, in particular, are quite useful and powerful now. Since reinstalling Win7, I have missed these features the most.
+ The new file explorer ribbon. It hides itself by default, so it doesn't get in the way at all (so it looks exactly like the old explorer). It only pops down if you specifically want it to, and it offers a lot of handy options. A lot of people expressed fears about this feature, but I'm here to tell you: it's actually really nice!
+ Metro is great if you're using a tablet.

Things I hate:
- Metro is catastrophically awful if you're using a desktop. This is the only thing I hate, but I hate it so, so very much. Enough that I want to avoid this OS at all cost. If I could run Metro apps in a resizable window, that would be pretty neat. But you can't, you're forced to run them full screen. I have 24" 1920x1200 monitor, I NEVER run anything fullscreen - the text on webpages becomes incredibly wide, and difficult to read when your eyes move to the next line, things like Twitter become a sea of whitespace. The whole point of having a big screen is that I can just glance over to another window, then quickly mouse over an manipulate something within it. Metro throws away that paradigm, and for what? So that people feel more comfortable using their Windows phones? The intrusiveness of Metro, and it's incompatibility with the rest of computing environment transcends annoyance: it actually makes me less productive. And for an OS, that's a mortal sin. If only I could stick a metro app into a window, I would gladly incorporate them into my desktop environment. But I can't.

So there's Windows 8 for you: a great OS with a bizarre tablet environment bolted into it like some sort of nightmarish chimera. If you can put up with the baggage, you'll like it. I tried, and can't: I will continue using Windows 7 for the foreseeable future.

(The surface looks pretty cool, though)

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 13 August 2012, 22:20:53 »
The surface may be a success depending on it's application, but the operating system is way to focused on touch screen style devices as of my experience with it 6 months or so ago. I used to run the Dev Preview of it on my PC, at first voluntarily, but then when I tried to go back to windows, it turns out the OS hijacked my HDD. Wouldnt let me boot to windows 7 without a 45 minute process each time. Finally decided to just wipe and reinstall 7 again. It did have some features that I liked such as the new task manager, but the start menu with tiles was absolute trash. The app's section was almost an advanced take on widgets. Definitely not upgrading from 7 for a while. Just going to have to wait another 4 or 5 years for Windows 9 hehe.
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