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[Lanx]

*warning* graphic violence towards animals
TLDR:

Here is the skinny i got, there's some robbery going on and this guy in the blue car pulls up with blaring music, he parks his car (with the blaring music) and films the scene. It's no big deal he films the scene, everyone else is, but he's got blaring music and the police can't conduct their robbery scene thing (something is going down, they need communication). So this guy see's police coming, and he(cuz he has his dog out) puts the dog unsecured with windows down in the back seat.

He get's arrested (he seems to know the deal) and in a manner of 20seconds his dog (mind you not a small dog, one would deem a dangerous breed a rottweiler) jumps out and comes to his owner. Police are startled, dog is skittish, until an officer tries to maybe grab the leash to restrain the dog, and the dog seems to attack, shots are fired.


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my take on this? as previous dog owner, in fact the owner of a dangerous breed (and i had issues finding a good townvillage because of it) a chow/sheppard mix, i totally blame the owner, it's sad that this dog had to die because of the idiot owner.

1. the owner was dumb and infuriating a scene by playing loud music

2. the owner had a dangerous animal, unrestrained

look, i know from experience we CANNOT judge a dog by it's breed, hell my opinion is that because of upbringing, the worst dogs are the little piece of ****s that ppl carry around like a tote bag, but a generally recognized "dangerous Breed" is dangerous, especially by people who encounter many of these animals daily like the police or the mailman or the vets.

bad owner, poor police get's the wrap.

[mauri]

Shoot first ask questions later, I do honestly think the officer deserves bit of **** hes getting.

Triggerhappy cops, in america who would've guessed.

[Lanx]

trigger happy or just kill on sight? the dog lounged at them, and it's a rottweiler, while again i said i know there's a breed difference, it's still a big dog, it could mess up limbs and kill ppl, i mean it is used as a guard dog.

i'm also fine with the amount of shots fired, i mean this isn't a game, we can't selectively aim for the legs and disable an animal or person, you draw your gun to kill, not to maim. the amount of shots fired was probably training taken into effect.

[mauri]

trigger happy or just kill on sight? the dog lounged at them, and it's a rottweiler, while again i said i know there's a breed difference, it's still a big dog, it could mess up limbs and kill ppl, i mean it is used as a guard dog.

i'm also fine with the amount of shots fired, i mean this isn't a game, we can't selectively aim for the legs and disable an animal or person, you draw your gun to kill, not to maim. the amount of shots fired was probably training taken into effect.

It's a dog, hes a full grown ass man, yeah you might get hurt a bit but seriously you overpower it, you'd rather kill the dog? And watching the video the way the dog supposedly attacked, I've seen dogs play with their owners more aggressively than that.

[demik]

poor police gets the wrap? are you kidding me?

this is just another case of trigger happy california cops.

at no point did that dog act aggressive towards those pigs that warranted shooting it. hell, the one time it came towards them the owner told him no and he backed off.

and after the first shot, the dog was trying to run away. and that sorry excuse for a human being went after it and shot it 3 more times. didn't even bother to finish him off either, but let him die slowly. the whole time that cop had his gun out. the cops created this scene by wrongfully arresting that man that did absolutely nothing. it could have ended better if they had just left him alone or uncuffed him so he can put his animal back in his car with the windows up higher.

here is another story of trigger happy cops killing somebody's pet. inside their home. after ignoring multiple beware of dog signs posted in the home. AND after being told to call ahead of time so they can put their dogs away.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=resources&id=9148091

but, poor police right?

also, what happened to pepper spray or tazer guns?

oh, that's right. they use pepper spray on squirrels.

biggest gang in the world. and they have judges to let them go free.

[Glod]

i cannot believe i just saw this, i'm really really upset right now.

[Sai]

its just start of the day and this is just upsetting. They could have done differently.  They could have let the owner handle the dog but instead they shot it. wth. 
I feel sorry for the dog as well as the owner.

[Lanx]

hey for all we know these police could be exposed to these types of ****ty owners daily

[demik]

then if you're going to react to every situation the same, don't be a cop. you are obviously not responsible nor fit for the job.

[Lanx]

follow up news interview.

[calavera]

trigger happy hilly billy cop + stupid owner = poor dog.

I couldn't get myself to play the clip in fear of seeing the poor dog get shot.

[Lanx]

It's a dog, hes a full grown ass man, yeah you might get hurt a bit but seriously you overpower it, you'd rather kill the dog? And watching the video the way the dog supposedly attacked, I've seen dogs play with their owners more aggressively than that.

well i guess you have to look at the situation from their point of view, they're cuffing a guy, then all of a sudden a dog jumps out of a car towards you. the cop that is getting lots of flack draws, you can see he tries to get the dogs leash twice, the second time the dog lunges up. (now we can all argue that this in, itself was a stupid move, you never try to put your hand over a dog you don't know)cop probably thought at this points it's a threat, it made a lunge.

also grown man, vs. rottweiler bite, a rott is pretty strong here's a nat geo stat

A lion's bite force measured 691, a shark 669, and a Rottweiler 328 psi pounds of force. A German shepherd came in at 238, and a pit bull's bite was measured at 235 psi pounds of force.

i mean i think i was 10 and got bit by a lassie dog on the leg, and the 10 years i had my chow he never bit me, so i don't know how bad a dog's bite is, but i wouldn't want to try it.

[keyboardlover]

Edit: sorry doublepost. Can you delete this mods?

[keyboardlover]

The reality of this bullshib is clear. No victim? No crime.

The loud music, dog and recording didn't hinder jack shib. The police initiated aggression on the dude by arresting him for doing nothing wrong which prompted the entire scenario. It's an utter disgrace, but it's exemplary police work, because the reality is that the vast majority of people today who are aggressed upon, arrested, caged and shot by police are done so for victimless crimes.

I would highly recommend anyone who is outraged over the awful crime committed by the costumed thugs in this video with shiny badges to have a good look at these two websites:
http://www.copblock.org
http://fija.org

Photography is not a crime. And Lanx, I cannot believe that you are criminalizing the poor owner, who was doing nothing wrong but peacefully exercising his rights as a free person when HE was aggressed upon. The initiation of force was against HIM which prompted the entire thing.

[Lanx]

well yes, as a former dog owner i blame him, he didn't secure his dog in the car.

1. the windows were rolled down to the point that the dog could jump out, whenever my dog was in my car i rolled down the windows so that only his snout could stick out, at most, otherwise i'd freak out that he would jump out, cuz that's what animals do, unexpected things.

2. he did not secure his dog in the car, i'm not a fatty or relatively unfit, but there is no way i would be able to catch a 50lb dog if he ran off, so with that, i always secured my dogs leash to the backseat seatbelt.

ok... maybe he didn't have enough time to roll up the windows or secure the pet with a seatbelt, but he pulled up with a music machine, he exacerbated the initial situation by playing loud music from a car in a robbery situation, there were tons of ppl filming, but only he was he arrested, why? he was disturbing the police from doing their job (and from other reports, he didn't seem to care), he was not being peaceful.

[Glod]

i must not be seeing the same video you are seeing Lanx, the guy even turned around several feet away from them to let them cuff him without resisting and they are saying he resisted arrest. Sure the guy was semi-trolling the cops but he had his reasons for doing so, and recording is not a crime, and cuffing him without talking to him first just proved how ****ed up the situation was, he was not running away from the cops, and he did make an effort to secure his dog but the windows happened to be down enough for his dog who just wanted to protect it's owner to get through.

Also i cant get over the officer fired not one but several WILD shots at the dog, it was just wrong, so damn wrong.

[Lanx]

i can't find the "full" video where he pulls up with his car blaring music, any search i get now is just that 3:55 clip, but basically he pulls up with his car and loud music, he parks, he get's out with dog, walks a bit, films a bit, and i guess he responded to police with words when they said to turn down the music.

again recording is NOT the issue here, if that we're true all the other ppl recording would be arrested, he was blaring that loud music so police couldn't conduct their robbery situation properly.

it basically boils down to this

he rolls up with a car and loud music
he walks out with dog and films
police say turn it down
he says no
some more stuff is exchanged
he quickly stuffs the dog in the car
and then the rest of the clip is played.

also if you can tell he's the only one going in and around the barricade, everyone else is just fine filming from far away cuz they know better. filming is not the issue, he decided to make this his entire problem, which ended up in his best friend getting shot, it's a poor decision on the owners side.

while we can always say, everyone is at fault, the police just responded to the situation.
they responded to a guy blaring music and not compling with a simple request to turn it down
he was moving in and out of the barricaded area (there's no one even near that area but police)
his dog was unsecure in the car
his dog had full access to the windows to get out
a rottweiler jumps out of a car
policeman makes 1 attempt to grab the leash
then one more time, except this time the dog lunges at him

this is seen as a threat and force is doled out.

if the guy was a responsible dog owner and secured his dog
if the guy was a responsible dog owner and didn't roll down the windows so the dog could escape
if the guy listened to police requests and turned down the music
if the guy didn't go near the barricaded scene

all police did was respond to all of this owner's poorly made decisions.

hell i'm confident in my ability to handle dangerous breeds i know, i know big huskies and pitbulls around my area and i know the owner, or the owner is a friend i even play rough with the dogs (they're friends and few ppl do cuz well these dogs are scary) but it's cuz i know them. You give me a rottweiler that jumps out of  window, that's scary, hell you can even say it's like reverse kujo.

[Trent]

They could have given the dog owner time to get his animal under control.

Although in a heated situation like this the officer is safe to assume that the dog can be a threat to both him and his fellow officers.

[Lanx]

edited the first post to find the (before) video this youtube guy seems to be the original uploader

[keyboardlover]

Dog was never even a threat, it would have had to at least attack someone to be a threat. The initiation of force in all cases (the arrest of the man for no reason and murder of hound were done by the cops). End of story. No one's fault but the pigs.

[Lanx]

it did attack, it lounged up, and it's a 80lb rottweiler, the ppl taking the video and everyone around was amazed by the size of the dog, even heard "dog is bigger than the car", this is after it jumped out of a car and charged them. i don't know why you call em pigs, it's one officer that shot the dog.

[Glod]

where are there reports that the officer was injured by the dog? just because a dog is aggressive and approaching them pissed off that its owner is in danger doesn't mean ****. They got scared and the officer fired these wild shots at the dog at close range, the dog already backed up after the first shot but instead he kept going and going. They didn't didn't give the owner a chance to take care of the dog when it started barking, it is not the owners fault.

There has to be some procedure they are supposed to follow when a person they are apprehending has an animal, im sure the procedure doesn't say if the animal is pissed off (which they always will be if they are attached to the owner) shoot the animal multiple times wildly until it limps around dying in agonizing pain.

[vivalarevolución]

The guy with the dog was totally trolling.  The cop also was a complete trigger-happy idiot.   

Although I don't see why the cops could not have asked the guy politely to turn down his music.  Would not hace been that hard.

[keyboardlover]

How is it trolling to film police? They are public servants, it's our DUTY to hold them accountable! What does the music have to do with anything? Certainly wasn't anywhere NEAR as obnoxious as a siren! But yea, the dog didn't injure anyone, nor attack anyone, it's clear in the video. But yea, there is no procedure dude, the procedure with cops is, they do what they want. Whether it's the poor dude getting beat up or shot on the side of the road or the dog in this video, they do what they want, they corroborate with the judges, they lie on reports, etc., etc. I've seen lots of filmed examples on youtube and there's a lot on that copblock site I shared too. Time to wake up, people, and stop licking these pigs' boots. They have no duty to protect anyone, which was "ruled" by the supreme court in 2005, for those who aren't aware:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0

[Lanx]

the loud music was interfering with the radio communications between SWAT and officers, it was a robbery situation, look at all those cars they're all holed up in some house, planning their police stuff and this guy comes along playing music and seemingly ignoring police.

also it does seem like this guy is a troll irl

"The 52 year old has six complaints against Hawthorne Police and has even filed a lawsuit alleging that one officer broke his rib.

Rosby says that one of the officers named in the lawsuit spotted him."

[keyboardlover]

Can you please explain from a scientific perspective how a car radio interferes with radio communications of police officers? Not familiar with that one, sounds like b.s. to me.

And yes, he had a suit against them for prior negligence by that department. So...to me it's clear who the trolls are. But you can keep licking their boots if you want, I'm sure they like them nice and clean.

[Lanx]

a sergent said as much, that due to the loud music the other officers couldn't communicate, you can even hear the music blaring in the youtubes, KL you're just having issues with police for some reason, that much is evident, don't know why you want to pull me down to your level tho.

[keyboardlover]

Down to my level? Bro, I'm just looking at things objectively here. The officers were blocks away from the dude's music and it's not even that loud in the video which was taken right next to the dude's car. Bureaucrats lie dude, it's their JOB to lie, they do it all the time.