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Offline kuschl0n

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 19:19:08 »
Computer Science student here. And I, too, don't find the time for private programming projects. I played ChooseThree{Study, Work, Family+Friends, Hobbies} and I lost Hobbies.  :-\

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 20:04:58 »
It gets much worse once you're out of school, IMO.  I feel like I had so much free time in school!

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« Reply #102 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 20:07:54 »
It gets much worse once you're out of school, IMO.  I feel like I had so much free time in school!

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #103 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 21:21:14 »
Full time Objective-C developer since 2008 here. I do a bit of Ruby and Python on the side, and piddle in a lot of languages for fun.  I was full-time .NET (C#) for about 8 years (since the beta) before that. I started with (mostly) Pascal and Java in high school/college.

RE the Obj-C-is-ugly comments... You get used to it. I've grown to like it, though I still have a soft spot C#.

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« Reply #104 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:47:07 »
It gets much worse once you're out of school, IMO.  I feel like I had so much free time in school!

^^ that

Heh... though as I recall, I spent much of it drinking.  :)

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« Reply #105 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:53:47 »
Not sure if I am in an atypical situation, or if i underestimate post-college life... But I can't imagine having less free time than I do during school now.

I work full time during the summers, sometimes closer to 60 hr weeks, and I have more free time than I do while working part time and going to school.

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« Reply #106 on: Wed, 25 September 2013, 07:23:18 »
Not sure if I am in an atypical situation, or if i underestimate post-college life... But I can't imagine having less free time than I do during school now.
You're not atypical. Most college students respond that way when someone tells them they'll have less free time after college. I know I did. What post-grads really mean is that you'll have less control over your time as life goes on, mostly if you have a family. While college life is busy, it was/is still ultimately your free choice that brought/keeps you there. If you want to leave you can. Walking out and leaving becomes more difficult when you have others depending upon you. As a result, you lose that freedom of control over your time which gives the feeling of less free time than you had in college.

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« Reply #107 on: Wed, 25 September 2013, 10:46:08 »
Not sure if I am in an atypical situation, or if i underestimate post-college life... But I can't imagine having less free time than I do during school now.
You're not atypical. Most college students respond that way when someone tells them they'll have less free time after college. I know I did. What post-grads really mean is that you'll have less control over your time as life goes on, mostly if you have a family. While college life is busy, it was/is still ultimately your free choice that brought/keeps you there. If you want to leave you can. Walking out and leaving becomes more difficult when you have others depending upon you. As a result, you lose that freedom of control over your time which gives the feeling of less free time than you had in college.

Amen. Once you have children, kiss all your free time good bye (at least for the first several years).

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« Reply #108 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 18:19:46 »
Nah. Kids would drive me insane in less than a week. Then, I'd have plenty of free time in a madhouse/prison.

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« Reply #109 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 18:23:53 »
I'm gonna attempt to learn java this weekend (that's what android apps are coded in, yes?). I need it for a project.

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« Reply #110 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 18:34:03 »
I'm so sorry. You have my deepest sympathy.

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« Reply #111 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 18:57:56 »
I'm gonna attempt to learn java this weekend (that's what android apps are coded in, yes?). I need it for a project.

Tips? Resources?
What do you mean by "learn"? Java is a massive language/framework. With only a weekend to invest, I'd say make friends with the API docs. What languages are you familiar with now?

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« Reply #112 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 19:58:51 »
I'm gonna attempt to learn java this weekend (that's what android apps are coded in, yes?). I need it for a project.

Tips? Resources?
What do you mean by "learn"? Java is a massive language/framework. With only a weekend to invest, I'd say make friends with the API docs. What languages are you familiar with now?

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« Reply #113 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 20:08:41 »
Well Java is very similar to C# syntactically and shares similar principles. I'd say just go through the tutorials on Oracle's site to get started and then Google and API docs from there.

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« Reply #114 on: Fri, 27 September 2013, 21:06:50 »
I'm taking AP Computer Science A right now in school.

I transferred in 3 weeks late and I took the tests I missed with only my previous CS knowledge. I have a 82 right now.

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #115 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 18:32:28 »
Quite surprised how many people like C# on here :)

It's a lovely language, powerful and flexible. A little verbose at times but some great features.

Shame the framework classes are so fragmented across ASP.Net, Silverlight, Windows Phone, Windows 8, WPF, WinForms/Desktop, Xbox etc.

Even code to create a HttpRequest varies across all of those :(

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #116 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 20:40:40 »
C# has a lot to like... strong reflection, decent type system, LINQ, expression fragments, IL-emitting & rewriting, etc.

Unfortunately, non-deterministic destruction is horrid.  Figure out how to retrofit C# with C++ style RAII and deterministic-destruction, and you've got yourself a language!

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« Reply #117 on: Tue, 01 October 2013, 08:44:44 »
In practice, IDisposable and the using statement give you a fairly decent alternative.

Personally I'd absolutely love scope-bound RAII (of sorts in c#), but in practice not having it isn't really that big of a deal. I'm curious why you use the term "horrid".

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« Reply #118 on: Tue, 01 October 2013, 12:46:21 »
IDisposable is just a kludge... and an ackowledgement that a non-deterministic garbage collector is unworkable for the real-world.  And peppering your code with "using" statements (and having to *remember* to use them) does not an elegant language make. 

It's really the worst of both worlds... you still have to manually manage your resources, but don't get the benefits of automatic & deterministic destruction when something goes out of scope.

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« Reply #119 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 02:12:58 »

IDisposable is just a kludge... and an ackowledgement that a non-deterministic garbage collector is unworkable for the real-world.  And peppering your code with "using" statements (and having to *remember* to use them) does not an elegant language make. 

It's really the worst of both worlds... you still have to manually manage your resources, but don't get the benefits of automatic & deterministic destruction when something goes out of scope.

Having worked professionally in c# since it's release, I can pretty much state with confidence that you're incorrect. It may not be an "elegant" language, but that's really personal opinion. I find it much, much more elegant than c++, for instance.

Regardless, languages are like religions, I have no intention of dragging out any sort of religious debate here or anywhere else. I have work to do.

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« Reply #120 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 04:15:43 »
I find it much, much more elegant than c++, for instance.
what is less elegant than c++? cobol? prolog? ats?
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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #121 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 13:42:54 »
what is less elegant than c++? cobol? prolog? ats?

PHP.

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« Reply #122 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 13:48:19 »
i'm not so sure about that.
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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« Reply #123 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:10:24 »
It's all personal opinion.  The only verifiable facts about a language are what it can and can't do. Anything regarding its aesthetics is purely subjective.

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« Reply #124 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:10:38 »
It is a useful language, sure.

But elegant it is not. Just look at the API names, parameter orders etc. It has no consistency.

http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
https://bugs.php.net/search.php?cmd=display&search_for=inconsistent&x=0&y=0
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« Reply #125 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:18:02 »
Yet consistency really has no relationship to elegance in an empirical sense. Hell, "elegance" has can't even be empirically defined, as it's defined solely by the reader in his or her own terms.

I've seen code in PHP and C++ I would consider elegant, but somebody else might not. Who's "correct"?

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« Reply #126 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:32:42 »
Just my grain of salt:

Programmers in general aim to improve the way they code over time. Practices improves, or try to improve to make code better, easier to read, easier to maintain. And even if we would like to refactor everything we make to keep it consistent and nice and sweet, in the end it's just plain impossible since it's always changing. So having this sort of debate, while not pointless since it's very good and productive to aim to improve things, will in some way always be biased since whatever you do will be obsolete in a mater of time. My philosophy in this is to continue to work hard learning to make better code even in the reality of deadlines and lack of resources etc.

Bashing a very working language has not much point. Pointing it's weaknesses in the objective of correcting them one day or not making the same error twice is quite more interesting. You can bash all you want on C, C++, C#, they all have their plus and minus, and they all have been very useful and still are.

And if you want to try a crappy language, go have fun with visual foxpro. I have been stuck coding with this language for the major part of the last 5 years. But even if I hate it, even if the code I have been working on was crap to begin with, I still need to do my job and improve things. And when I have the opportunity to code in c#, hell I am not so picky since working with a "true" object oriented language is enough of an improvement to put a smile on my face.
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« Reply #127 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:40:20 »
I think there's a lot of space between "objectively elegant" and "elegance is purely subjective".  You can't nail elegance down but you can make reasonable statements about what it is and the relative elegance that languages encourage and/or allow.

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« Reply #128 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 17:59:10 »
I find it much, much more elegant than c++, for instance.
what is less elegant than c++? cobol? prolog? ats?

BASIC
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« Reply #129 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 07:12:16 »
I find it much, much more elegant than c++, for instance.
what is less elegant than c++? cobol? prolog? ats?

BASIC
OKAY YOU GOT ME
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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« Reply #130 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 18:51:57 »
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"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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« Reply #131 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 00:16:51 »
I want to get into programming, could you guys guide me in the right direction on how to get started?

thanks.

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« Reply #132 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 04:22:20 »
I want to get into programming, could you guys guide me in the right direction on how to get started?

thanks.

Pick a target architecture.  Although most languages are fairly cross-platform, nevertheless there might be something in particular you have in mind.

Pick a language.  Almost anything will do.  Python, Java, C, C++ and C# seem to be popular contenders for general purpose programming.

Find a problem that needs solving (could be something simple as an app to help you catalog your keycap collection).

Write code, learning what you need to know to solve your particular problem.

Once that is solved, find another problem and, using the experience from the first app, write a second one.

Revisit and polish the first one based on what you learned doing the second one.

Repeat a few times, trying to do something different and learn a bit more each time.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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« Reply #133 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 05:24:55 »
I want to get into programming, could you guys guide me in the right direction on how to get started?

thanks.
try this: http://scratch.mit.edu/
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(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

-Ray Bradbury

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« Reply #134 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 05:49:26 »
what is less elegant than c++? cobol? prolog? ats?
Perl.
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Offline iri

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #135 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 07:12:23 »
what is less elegant than c++? cobol? prolog? ats?
Perl.
oh, but how can this be not elegant?

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(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

-Ray Bradbury

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #136 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 08:43:05 »
what is less elegant than c++? cobol? prolog? ats?
Perl.
oh, but how can this be not elegant?

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s$$([},&%#}/&/]+}%&{})*;#$&&s&&$^X.($'^"%]=\&(|?*{%
+.+=%;.#_}\&"^"-+%*).}%:##%}={~=~:.")&e&&s""`$''`"e


My prof in Uni used to say:

In Russia they chop your hands if you code like that. And this was back in 1997.
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Offline iri

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #137 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 10:06:20 »
what is less elegant than c++? cobol? prolog? ats?
Perl.
oh, but how can this be not elegant?

Code: [Select]
s$$([},&%#}/&/]+}%&{})*;#$&&s&&$^X.($'^"%]=\&(|?*{%
+.+=%;.#_}\&"^"-+%*).}%:##%}={~=~:.")&e&&s""`$''`"e


My prof in Uni used to say:

In Russia they chop your hands if you code like that. And this was back in 1997.
in russia, if you code like that, they chop off your fingers, phalanx by phalanx.
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

-Ray Bradbury

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #138 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 10:14:39 »
I want to get into programming, could you guys guide me in the right direction on how to get started?

thanks.

Pick a target architecture.  Although most languages are fairly cross-platform, nevertheless there might be something in particular you have in mind.

Pick a language.  Almost anything will do.  Python, Java, C, C++ and C# seem to be popular contenders for general purpose programming.

Find a problem that needs solving (could be something simple as an app to help you catalog your keycap collection).

Write code, learning what you need to know to solve your particular problem.

Once that is solved, find another problem and, using the experience from the first app, write a second one.

Revisit and polish the first one based on what you learned doing the second one.

Repeat a few times, trying to do something different and learn a bit more each time.

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Offline pandather

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Re: Any programmers around?
« Reply #139 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 21:56:01 »
I program at UIL meets and contests and such, I'm liking it, first year, and I'm doing Java! :D