Topre Type Heaven pictured at Computex 2013 ($150-180)

[hashbaz]

You keep being infuriatingly wrong. I've been accused of being a trouble maker when I've been put words in my mouth repeatedly and by different people. I wish you were in my position to see how amazing it is to be both misinterpreted and ganged on.

As I said, you deserve no further discussion on the actual subject. Enjoy your circlejerk. I'm out.

And yet here you are, still in.  The issue is not who is wrong and who is right.  The issue is that you continue to belligerently derail this thread, which is not really about manufacturing costs and profit margins.

[fateswarm]

Oh yeah let's change the subject now. Of course it's off topic to talk why it is wrong to call me a troll. But tell that to the actual trolls that start such personal attacks. I fail to see the satisfaction you get with a circlejerk. Is your life so lonely?

[Hyde]

In any case, anyone know is there an ETA on this keyboard?

I'm actually gonna buy my first Topre soon and I'm actually very interested in purchasing this.

[metalliqaz]

^ lol wtf?
In all honesty, sth finished you off with ****butt.  Sorry dude.

Anyway it is nice to see more topre, I just wish it was TKL

[tobindax]

^ lol wtf?
In all honesty, sth finished you off with ****butt.  Sorry dude.

No. I'm sorry this circlejerk thinks it does anything but hurt the productivity of this site. It doesn't promote Topre, it gives it a bad reputation, it doesn't promote MX, if it's done from the other side, it just gives the impression of juvenile bickering. It doesn't even have the power to mute me of course since this is the Internet so if you want censorship go to North Korea.

Anyway, it's sad. And you don't have to worry much about chasing me away from the circlejerk. It's not worth it staying. Bye.

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[daerid]

I can't believe I'm actually appreciating tp's trolling ability.

[SpAmRaY]

I can't believe I'm actually appreciating tp's trolling ability.

Yeah tp is fairly refined.

And who talks trash to hashbaz.....respect the llama 

[AKIMbO]

I can't believe I'm actually appreciating tp's trolling ability.

+1

[WRXChris]

Anyways, this looks like an awesome keyboard to bring to work.  I do payroll stuff so that numpad is necessary.  And cheap ABS caps are perfect for work!  But then again, if it comes in at $180, it would only be $55 more for a realforce 104u with PBTs.  I sure hope it's closer to $150!!

[Hyde]

I'm favoring this over the Realforce for a few different reasons.  I guess the obvious thing is price but after that I like the case design better (more modern) and it's also available in uniform 45g (where as the 104U currently does not have that option).

Though like WRXChris said, for $55 difference it's actually not a bad deal to get the Realforce since PBT keycap set itself would already cost $100 that and you get Japanese made Topre.

[metalliqaz]

I actually like the realforce case design.  I think it's very refined

[manoy385]

[Hyde]

Man he didn't type on it, noooooooooooooo I was hoping he'd comment on the type feel vs Realforce.  He even looked at the Hi-Pro for so long.

[morpheus]

Yeah whats the point of a video without some typing...

[brighenne]

Nice, I will probably get one of these as my work board.

[laffindude]

The FC660C is the only Topre board (that I know of) that's manufactured by Leopold.

I heard the guts are Topre OEM. So if the Type Heaven is made by Topre in China, then 660C's guts is highly likely out of the same factory.

[WhiteFireDragon]

I skimmed through most of this thread because of all the bickering. So I may have missed it, but this keyboard uses authentic topre switches and not a Chinese clone, right? The cost savings are on the cheaper keycaps and case only?

[laffindude]

It is a Topre, not a clone. It is just made in China.

[Reason]

I really really wish it had dye sub PBT caps T____________T
I hate the feel of laser etched ABS....

would dye sub have raised the cost significantly?

[flacman]

I really really wish it had dye sub PBT caps T____________T
I hate the feel of laser etched ABS....

would dye sub have raised the cost significantly?

Yes.

[fuzzybaffy]

Jeez. I didn't really keep up with this thread. Now I know why the other Topre vs. MX thread died down so quickly.

[eugenizer]

sorry for the crappy image from my iphone.

[IPT]

I really really wish it had dye sub PBT caps T____________T
I hate the feel of laser etched ABS....

would dye sub have raised the cost significantly?

yes, just look at how much EK charges for a full key set
now say EK makes 30% profit off of that keyset.
Still over $50 dollars in cost.

[eth0s]

I really really wish it had dye sub PBT caps T____________T
I hate the feel of laser etched ABS....

would dye sub have raised the cost significantly?

yes, just look at how much EK charges for a full key set
now say EK makes 30% profit off of that keyset.
Still over $50 dollars in cost.

The price of plastic is directly correlated to the price of oil.  Plastic is not as cheap as it was even 10 years ago.  I don't know for sure how much it costs to make Topre PBT keycaps, but my best educated guess is that it's probably close to $0.65 to $0.70 per cap.  (I think SP claimed at one time that ABS double shots cost them $1 per cap to make, but that was at the peak of the oil market back in 2008.)  Regardless of the cost to produce the keycaps, in the end, the profit margin that the Topre Corporation reported to shareholders for Q1 of 2013 was 8.00%, which is about average.  If you want to participate in the great Topre profit machine, you can always buy the stock, which is listed on the Tokyo Stock exchange.  Price at close on June 7, 2013 was 821.00 Yen.  Market cap is 41.12 Billion Yen.  Trailing 52-week high was 1048 Yen.  52-week low was 604 Yen.  Go for it!

[Hyde]

Man the pictures look so nice  @_______@

I really hope they have blue LED indicator light otherwise I'm already sold on it.

[morpheus]

Here's some more pictures from KBDMANIA

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/news/6869261#41

[SpAmRaY]

Here's some more pictures from KBDMANIA

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/news/6869261#41

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Group buy for the topre end table!!  ;) :))

[Hyde]

Noooooooo it's green LED !!!  Why can't they keep it the same as RealForce and make it blue, noooooooooooo ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[morpheus]

Any word on when this will be released to North America?

[danrew]

Anyone try one of these yet? Haven't seen many 104U keyboards with uniform weighting since they discontinued the 103U. This looks like the only 45g uniform 104 keyboard in NA at the moment.

[SpAmRaY]

Anyone try one of these yet? Haven't seen many 104U keyboards with uniform weighting since they discontinued the 103U. This looks like the only 45g uniform 104 keyboard in NA at the moment.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45957.msg964991#msg964991

[laffindude]

Anyone try one of these yet? Haven't seen many 104U keyboards with uniform weighting since they discontinued the 103U. This looks like the only 45g uniform 104 keyboard in NA at the moment.

It types pretty much just like a Realforce. The keycaps has some sort of coating on it (feels a bit rubbery), so those lasered legend shouldn't get dirty as fast as those FC660C. It looks nicer than Realforce IMO. Haven't take it apart yet, so I don't know how well it is put together on the inside.

[Zykos]

Looks really nice. Can't wait to try this out.

[DrinkTea]

Anyone know if there will be a tenkeyless version of this?

[Hyde]

I doubt it, since Leopold FC660C already filled that role (budget compact Topre).

Also in this case I don't see why you'd want a tenkeyless over this.

[DrinkTea]

Numpad on the right is uncomfortable if you're using a mouse with the right hand. Ideally, we could do everything with the keyboard, but not always practical.

[Hyde]

Numpad on the right is uncomfortable if you're using a mouse with the right hand. Ideally, we could do everything with the keyboard, but not always practical.

Oh no I meant I don't see why you'd want a tenkeyless (80%) over this (Leopold FC660C 60%).  So in this case there's no real benefit to make a tenkeyless (80%) Type Heaven.

[nightsnack]

Numpad on the right is uncomfortable if you're using a mouse with the right hand. Ideally, we could do everything with the keyboard, but not always practical.

Oh no I meant I don't see why you'd want a tenkeyless (80%) over this (Leopold FC660C 60%).  So in this case there's no real benefit to make a tenkeyless (80%) Type Heaven.

While I don't think Topre will make a TKL Type Heaven any time soon, I disagree that there's no real benefit to having one. For a variety of reasons, not everyone will like the layout of the FC660C, especially those who need the Function row and the six keys above the arrows.

For example, in my case, while I use the FC660C and like it very much, I do miss the dedicated tilde at times.

[danrew]

Numpad on the right is uncomfortable if you're using a mouse with the right hand. Ideally, we could do everything with the keyboard, but not always practical.

Oh no I meant I don't see why you'd want a tenkeyless (80%) over this (Leopold FC660C 60%).  So in this case there's no real benefit to make a tenkeyless (80%) Type Heaven.

While I don't think Topre will make a TKL Type Heaven any time soon, I disagree that there's no real benefit to having one. For a variety of reasons, not everyone will like the layout of the FC660C, especially those who need the Function row and the six keys above the arrows.

For example, in my case, while I use the FC660C and like it very much, I do miss the dedicated tilde at times.

I can't say that I'd really miss the tilde much, but I think that I would miss the dedicated Home and End keys.

[kaiteoki]

Actually, the type heaven's topre 45g uniform, doesn't feel as smooth as the Realforce topre keyboard in that video. I own both keyboars in that video realforce 104ug and the type heaven. Despite both being both 45 uniform the switches feel distinctively different. For some reason the type heaven's switch feels like a good 20g heavier and the bump is feels like it needs quite a bit more force to overcome. The realforce board, the bump is alot more gradual and it feels like as I depress the switch I'm gliding over the bump, rather than putting force to overcome it. Making the realforce alot more smooth. And when you depress the type heaven past it's tactile feel the switch tends to want to bottom out. As for the realforce, it doesn't suffer from this. Despite supposedly having the same switch as a realforce. The substantial difference is night and day. And if you think the type heaven is smooth, you needa try out a realforce board or hhkb or a non gimped board with topre switches. Also the spherical keycaps feel amazing to type on. It's hard to explain but it feels like your fingers and the keycaps have become one with one another.

[daerid]

Holy necro, batman