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Offline reziak

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HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:38:08 »
Hey guys,

I was just trying to take my Left Shift off my HHKB, and it's really, REALLY hard to get off. I did get it off, but do I need to be worried about damaging anything internal? Both my wire keypuller and the the metal "grippy" kind were damaging the bottom of the cap because I was pulling so hard, so I ended up sticking some dental floss in there and pulling it off that way. Is that normal?
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:40:44 »
Just don't pull too hard you can break things....specifically on the space bar especially.

To me HHKB keys do seem a little more difficult to remove than some mx caps.

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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:15:11 »
The spacebar was a lot easier, as I was able to just remove the surrounding keys and pull it off with my fingers. Thanks for the response - I feel better now :)
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:18:03 »
They also seem to be a lot harder to put back on.

MX just slides on, and push down and it's done.

HHKB you put the keycap on, push down, then really push down and something goes CLICK loudly and it's on.
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:40:53 »
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:18:03
They also seem to be a lot harder to put back on.

MX just slides on, and push down and it's done.

HHKB you put the keycap on, push down, then really push down and something goes CLICK loudly and it's on.

Yeah, coming from MX switches and considering the price of a HHKB I was really worried about breaking it....
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 21:37:15 »
Quote from: reziak on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:40:53
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:18:03
They also seem to be a lot harder to put back on.

MX just slides on, and push down and it's done.

HHKB you put the keycap on, push down, then really push down and something goes CLICK loudly and it's on.

Yeah, coming from MX switches and considering the price of a HHKB I was really worried about breaking it....

Using a cherry wire keycap puller works for me.
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 21:59:23 »
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:18:03
They also seem to be a lot harder to put back on.

MX just slides on, and push down and it's done.

HHKB you put the keycap on, push down, then really push down and something goes CLICK loudly and it's on.

Bold part of the quote is critical. Without the "click" sound emitted from the keys when one is replacing their keycaps, they will:
  • Sit on all fancy heights. Some keycaps may stick out shorter than others. It wil look a little ugly.
  • When typing on them, sometimes they will just pop out of the keyboard (mainly on the rebounce).
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:12:36 »
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:18:03
They also seem to be a lot harder to put back on.

MX just slides on, and push down and it's done.

HHKB you put the keycap on, push down, then really push down and something goes CLICK loudly and it's on.

yep make sure to click. mine is a bit hard to get off and i think the wire in my wire puller will rip out but so far so good lol
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:20:57 »
Quote from: dustinhxc on Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:12:36
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:18:03
They also seem to be a lot harder to put back on.

MX just slides on, and push down and it's done.

HHKB you put the keycap on, push down, then really push down and something goes CLICK loudly and it's on.

yep make sure to click. mine is a bit hard to get off and i think the wire in my wire puller will rip out but so far so good lol

Wire keycap pullers can be replaced much more easily than keyboards.
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:30:09 »
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:20:57
Quote from: dustinhxc on Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:12:36
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:18:03
They also seem to be a lot harder to put back on.

MX just slides on, and push down and it's done.

HHKB you put the keycap on, push down, then really push down and something goes CLICK loudly and it's on.

yep make sure to click. mine is a bit hard to get off and i think the wire in my wire puller will rip out but so far so good lol

Wire keycap pullers can be replaced much more easily than keyboards.

Yeah the key is fine no stress or anything. The puller struggles w the lieft shift though.
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 11 December 2013, 03:07:55 »
Quote from: dustinhxc on Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:30:09
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:20:57
Quote from: dustinhxc on Tue, 10 December 2013, 22:12:36
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:18:03
They also seem to be a lot harder to put back on.

MX just slides on, and push down and it's done.

HHKB you put the keycap on, push down, then really push down and something goes CLICK loudly and it's on.

yep make sure to click. mine is a bit hard to get off and i think the wire in my wire puller will rip out but so far so good lol

Wire keycap pullers can be replaced much more easily than keyboards.

Yeah the key is fine no stress or anything. The puller struggles w the lieft shift though.

Glad I'm not the only one! Thanks for helping me feel better. :)
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Re: HHKB Left Shift Hard to Remove
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 11 December 2013, 03:23:12 »
Edit: somehow managed to double post  :-[
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