Author Topic: DS or Dyesub PBT? (Read 5654 times)

Pacifist · « **on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:02:02 »

Which is better in terms of color quality and durability, DS PBT or dyesub PBT for simple two color caps?

Photekq · « **Reply #1 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:02:56 »

doubleshot>dyesub for everything

dyesubs will not wear for a very long time though, and depending on which dyesubs they are the colour/detail will be very good also. The font on BSP/original cherry dyesubs looks great, almost as clear as doubleshots unless you look very closely.

Pacifist · « **Reply #2 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:05:19 »

Would vortex ds pbt be better or ivan's pbt dyesub from r1?

Photekq · « **Reply #3 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:07:36 »

Quote from: Pacifist on Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:05:19

Would vortex ds pbt be better or ivan's pbt dyesub from r1?

I personally couldn't touch the Vortex DS because I think the font is horrid. The DS font will be more crisp than the dyesub font, but it really all depends whether you like the Vortex font or Ivan's replica cherry font the most. Both types of keycaps are thick and high quality.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #4 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:09:21 »

Quote from: Photekq on Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:07:36

Quote from: Pacifist on Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:05:19
Would vortex ds pbt be better or ivan's pbt dyesub from r1?
I personally couldn't touch the Vortex DS because I think the font is horrid. The DS font will be more crisp than the dyesub font, but it really all depends whether you like the Vortex font or Ivan's replica cherry font the most. Both types of keycaps are thick and high quality.

Also OEM profile not as good as cherry profile.....my opinion.

Pacifist · « **Reply #5 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:09:36 »

Quote from: Photekq on Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:07:36

Quote from: Pacifist on Tue, 17 December 2013, 20:05:19
Would vortex ds pbt be better or ivan's pbt dyesub from r1?
I personally couldn't touch the Vortex DS because I think the font is horrid. The DS font will be more crisp than the dyesub font, but it really all depends whether you like the Vortex font or Ivan's replica cherry font the most. Both types of keycaps are thick and high quality.

I couldn't touch the vortex ds at first because its so slanted but then i realized my old laptop's keyboard looked just like it and I never noticed it.

But edging more to the dyesub now because its in cherry profile vs vortex oem profile, plus it has stepped caps

terran5992 · « **Reply #6 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:40:35 »

Definitely Dyesub PBT.

JPG · « **Reply #7 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:44:26 »

if the keycaps are same profile, same thickness, same font same all except for double shot versus dyesub, then double shot is better. But dyesub is not so far behind since it will last super long (like forever really), you don't feel it and the color you can get is quite nice too. In the end, the only big difference is that you cant have some dyesub color combo.

personally, I would put more importance on profile, thickness, material than dyesub versus double shot.

terran5992 · « **Reply #8 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:47:24 »

Quote from: JPG on Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:44:26

if the keycaps are same profile, same thickness, same font same all except for double shot versus dyesub, then double shot is better. But dyesub is not so far behind since it will last super long (like forever really), you don't feel it and the color you can get is quite nice too. In the end, the only big difference is that you cant have some dyesub color combo.

personally, I would put more importance on profile, thickness, material than dyesub versus double shot.

That raises another question.

Thick ABS vs Thick PBT

riotonthebay · « **Reply #9 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:58:24 »

Quote from: terran5992 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:47:24

Quote from: JPG on Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:44:26
if the keycaps are same profile, same thickness, same font same all except for double shot versus dyesub, then double shot is better. But dyesub is not so far behind since it will last super long (like forever really), you don't feel it and the color you can get is quite nice too. In the end, the only big difference is that you cant have some dyesub color combo.

personally, I would put more importance on profile, thickness, material than dyesub versus double shot.

That raises another question.

Thick ABS vs Thick PBT

I think the answer is obvious. We'll both say it on three.

one…

two…

three!

APBBST!!

Pacifist · « **Reply #10 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:59:32 »

I'll go with ivan's pbt because cherry profile is best

Hyde · « **Reply #11 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:45:47 »

Am I the only one that likes OEM better? Cherry profile feel like you're expecting more height but then gets stopped half way.

Which is weird considering I like scissor switch and Cherry ML switch too.

rowdy · « **Reply #12 on:** Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:51:20 »

Quote from: Hyde on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:45:47

Am I the only one that likes OEM better? Cherry profile feel like you're expecting more height but then gets stopped half way.

Which is weird considering I like scissor switch and Cherry ML switch too.

I'm happy with either!

Not sure how I'd feel about OEM profile Topre keycaps though.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #13 on:** Wed, 18 December 2013, 07:32:26 »

Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:51:20

Quote from: Hyde on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:45:47
Am I the only one that likes OEM better? Cherry profile feel like you're expecting more height but then gets stopped half way.

Which is weird considering I like scissor switch and Cherry ML switch too.

I'm happy with either!

Not sure how I'd feel about OEM profile Topre keycaps though.

Except the high profile topre caps aren't all topre the same profile? So therefore that is OEM profile for topre?

Computer-Lab in Basement · « **Reply #14 on:** Wed, 18 December 2013, 07:42:54 »

I'll put this simply so Pacifist can understand:

Double-shot ABS is superior for color quality.

Dyesub PBT is superior for durability.

Now double-shot PBT, that's just the holy grail of keycaps...

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 18 December 2013, 07:57:45 »

Quote from: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 18 December 2013, 07:42:54

Now double-shot PBT, that's just the holy grail of keycaps...

IF it wasn't OEM profile

Computer-Lab in Basement · « **Reply #16 on:** Wed, 18 December 2013, 08:00:18 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 December 2013, 07:57:45

Quote from: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 18 December 2013, 07:42:54
Now double-shot PBT, that's just the holy grail of keycaps...

IF it wasn't OEM profile

True. In the two categories in the OP tho, they would be ideal.

Hyde · « **Reply #17 on:** Wed, 18 December 2013, 08:49:57 »

Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:51:20

Quote from: Hyde on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:45:47
Am I the only one that likes OEM better? Cherry profile feel like you're expecting more height but then gets stopped half way.

Which is weird considering I like scissor switch and Cherry ML switch too.

I'm happy with either!

Not sure how I'd feel about OEM profile Topre keycaps though.

Actually Topre feels kind of inbetween OEM and Cherry profile. But I could be wrong I'm just basing off how I "feel".

Quote from: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 18 December 2013, 07:42:54

I'll put this simply so Pacifist can understand:

Double-shot ABS is superior for color quality.

Dyesub PBT is superior for durability.

Now double-shot PBT, that's just the holy grail of keycaps...

And this is correct.

rowdy · « **Reply #18 on:** Wed, 18 December 2013, 13:17:23 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 December 2013, 07:32:26

Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:51:20
Quote from: Hyde on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:45:47
Am I the only one that likes OEM better? Cherry profile feel like you're expecting more height but then gets stopped half way.

Which is weird considering I like scissor switch and Cherry ML switch too.

I'm happy with either!

Not sure how I'd feel about OEM profile Topre keycaps though.

Except the high profile topre caps aren't all topre the same profile? So therefore that is OEM profile for topre?

In a manner of speaking

However "MX-style OEM" Topre keycaps on a Topre board with otherwise "Topre-style OEM" keycaps was a bit of a mouthful.

Nixietube · « **Reply #19 on:** Wed, 18 December 2013, 17:52:29 »

I have a 24 year old thick pbt dye sub cherry keycaps set that i use on my poker 2. The colors look crisp (no yellow stains - take that abs!), the caps dont shine (after 24 years!), the keys feel/sound amazing(dat sweet thick pbt) and i love the font. if you ever get the chance to get a thick pbt set then go for it, if not then go for abs (the second best - even tho it will shine and turn yellow... and if you are very unlucky it will be thin too)

terran5992 · « **Reply #20 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 08:27:26 »

Quote from: Nixietube on Wed, 18 December 2013, 17:52:29

I have a 24 year old thick pbt dye sub cherry keycaps set that i use on my poker 2. The colors look crisp (no yellow stains - take that abs!), the caps dont shine (after 24 years!), the keys feel/sound amazing(dat sweet thick pbt) and i love the font. if you ever get the chance to get a thick pbt set then go for it, if not then go for abs (the second best - even tho it will shine and turn yellow... and if you are very unlucky it will be thin too)

Whered you get those 24 year old thick pbt?

Wildcard · « **Reply #21 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 09:24:54 »

Dyesub PBT

daetsid · « **Reply #22 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 14:07:33 »

Cherry DYE SUB >>>> Cherry DS.

I have a set of Cherry DYE SUB and some Cherry DS (GMK and old stuff) and my favourites are, by far, the Cherry DYE subbed set. The PBT feeling and typing sound are not comparable to ABS. Specially the keycap feeling...once you try Cherry PBT (not all pbt feels the same btw) you don´t want anything else

Nixietube · « **Reply #23 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:26:15 »

Quote from: terran5992 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 08:27:26

Whered you get those 24 year old thick pbt?

Lucky find on "ebay kleinanzeigen" (run by ebay in germany and works like craigslist)

Nixietube · « **Reply #24 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:26:32 »

damn i wanted to modify that first post but instead quoted myself. ignore this post.

Photekq · « **Reply #25 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:29:01 »

Yes, in my mind original Cherry dyesubs are the best looking and feeling MX keycaps you can get. Shame they're so rare in ANSI.

Nixietube · « **Reply #26 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:47:31 »

its not like they grow on trees if you're looking for an iso version...

Moosecraft · « **Reply #27 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:57:35 »

Quote from: Nixietube on Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:47:31

its not like they grow on trees if you're looking for an iso version...

A lot more common though, I can think of 3 sets for sale right now..

Nixietube · « **Reply #28 on:** Thu, 19 December 2013, 18:07:11 »

This is the european version of looking for vintage dye subs:

you get a vintage dye sub, you get a vintage dye sub, you get a vintage dye sub... EVERYBODY GETS A VINTAGE DYE SUB!!!!

terran5992 · « **Reply #29 on:** Fri, 20 December 2013, 08:17:40 »

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Author Topic: DS or Dyesub PBT? (Read 5654 times)