So CM Storm made a IME 3.0 replacement, any chance of making a small mouse next?

[Hyde]

For those who don't know, the IME 3.0 replacement are Alcor and Mizar.  They also have Xornet / Spawn for clawgrip.

Now that I'm wondering if CM will ever come up with a Logitech G3 / Ninox Aurora / Razer Diamondback / Razer Spectre replacement for fingertip grip.

If you don't know what Ninox Aurora is go to the link.  And it's looking more and more likely that it will not happen.

Currently there really is no small mouse with thumb button in the market at all.

You might argue Razer Spectre is still being sold but the shape is just uncomfortable from what I've read (too squared), that and I don't like "themed" gaming gear.  That and Razer Taipan / Mionix Avior / Steelseries Sensei are otherwise good choice except they're all too big.

I'm currently using Roccat Kone Pure and it's awesome, except I wish it was symmetrical also more \___/ shape.

So hopefully someone will come up with something like this soon (looking at you Carter lol).


P.S:  Yes I realize any company technically could've made this, but I only mentioned CM Storm because I like them and they listens to their customers. 

[daerid]

Razer's version of this mouse is either the Taipan (laser), or Abyssus (optical). Of course, I would absolutely LOVE for Razer to do a 10th anniversary re-release of the DiamondBack, using the DA sensor. I loved that mouse shape.

[fuzzybaffy]

Hyde, have you considered the Zowie FK? Or the Zowie EC2 eVo? I know the EC2 isn't ambidextrous, but it is smaller than the Deathadder/IME 3.0.

[Hyde]

Razer's version of this mouse is either the Taipan (laser), or Abyssus (optical). Of course, I would absolutely LOVE for Razer to do a 10th anniversary re-release of the DiamondBack, using the DA sensor. I loved that mouse shape.

Yeah I actually really hope they'd just make a mini Taipan, then it will be perfect for me.  Or give Taipan in 2013 Krait's size and add side buttons.

Hyde, have you considered the Zowie FK? Or the Zowie EC2 eVo? I know the EC2 isn't ambidextrous, but it is smaller than the Deathadder/IME 3.0.

It sounds like people talk a lot about the FK.  I was under the impression that FK is same size Taipan or Avior so I didn't look too much into it.  Is it actually shorter?

Also I did look at EC2 eVo before, but I'd prefer it to be ambidextrous also I already own Roccat Kone Pure which is an amazing small right handed mouse already so I'd rather get an ambidextrous one next lol.

[Elrick]

Also I did look at EC2 eVo before, but I'd prefer it to be ambidextrous also I already own Roccat Kone Pure which is an amazing small right handed mouse already so I'd rather get an ambidextrous one next lol.

Here's what you might be interested in http://www.ozonegaming.com/product/xenon/

Perfect for people looking for a smaller mouse to use with either left or right hands and here's a review of it ; http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Ozone/Xenon/

It's a basic mouse that has little extra bullsh!t required to make it work (like all of Razer junk) and it's own software is very small and efficient  .

[fuzzybaffy]

Razer's version of this mouse is either the Taipan (laser), or Abyssus (optical). Of course, I would absolutely LOVE for Razer to do a 10th anniversary re-release of the DiamondBack, using the DA sensor. I loved that mouse shape.

Yeah I actually really hope they'd just make a mini Taipan, then it will be perfect for me.  Or give Taipan in 2013 Krait's size and add side buttons.

Hyde, have you considered the Zowie FK? Or the Zowie EC2 eVo? I know the EC2 isn't ambidextrous, but it is smaller than the Deathadder/IME 3.0.

It sounds like people talk a lot about the FK.  I was under the impression that FK is same size Taipan or Avior so I didn't look too much into it.  Is it actually shorter?

Also I did look at EC2 eVo before, but I'd prefer it to be ambidextrous also I already own Roccat Kone Pure which is an amazing small right handed mouse already so I'd rather get an ambidextrous one next lol.

See, that's the thing... I don't know how big the FK is exactly, but have you tried the Taipan before? I've owned one for a while, and I wouldn't call it too big by any means. I could see how one might consider it "too long", but width wise, it is extremely narrow; probably the most narrow of any mice out there. It's narrower than the Steel Series Sensei, and it is probably just as narrow, or maybe just a tad bit wider, than the G9x without their shells, which is another option you could consider since you're looking for tiny mice. Its narrow shape will make it seem as small as any other small mice out there.

I absolutely loved the shape of the Taipan. I just had to led it go because of its laser sensor.

[wetto]

Their next release will the a new CM Storm Spawn with AVAGO 3310, followed by the CM Storm Alcor+ (AVAGO 3310, side-grips, ALPS scroll). But they're still working on certains projects that may or not be released, such as:

- CM Storm Spawn-EX (something similar to the Zowie AM)
- CM Storn Inferno II

Besides that, it's quite sad that the internal build quality on the newer mice (Mizar/Alcor) is lower than some other models (Spawn/Xornet/Recon). 

[Novus]

Their next release will the a new CM Storm Spawn with AVAGO 3310, followed by the CM Storm Alcor+ (AVAGO 3310, side-grips, ALPS scroll). But they're still working on certains projects that may or not be released, such as:

- CM Storm Spawn-EX (something similar to the Zowie AM)
- CM Storn Inferno II

Besides that, it's quite sad that the internal build quality on the newer mice (Mizar/Alcor) is lower than some other models (Spawn/Xornet/Recon). 

Really?
Man that's really disheartening.
I heard they're making an upgraded version which will roll out in time for the US release.

[wetto]

Their next release will the a new CM Storm Spawn with AVAGO 3310, followed by the CM Storm Alcor+ (AVAGO 3310, side-grips, ALPS scroll). But they're still working on certains projects that may or not be released, such as:

- CM Storm Spawn-EX (something similar to the Zowie AM)
- CM Storn Inferno II

Besides that, it's quite sad that the internal build quality on the newer mice (Mizar/Alcor) is lower than some other models (Spawn/Xornet/Recon). 

Really?
Man that's really disheartening.
I heard they're making an upgraded version which will roll out in time for the US release.

Yes, their plan is actually not to release the CM Storm Alcor in the United States, but its upgraded version, which is exactly the CM Storm Alcor+.

[Novus]

Yes, their plan is actually not to release the CM Storm Alcor in the United States, but its upgraded version, which is exactly the CM Storm Alcor+.

Ahh cool thanks for that confirmation!
Would you say that the build quality for the Alcor is higher or worse overall than their competition's IME 3 clones (G400, DA 13, Rival, Zowie EC? etc) OR are they all relatively the same?

[Hyde]

Also I did look at EC2 eVo before, but I'd prefer it to be ambidextrous also I already own Roccat Kone Pure which is an amazing small right handed mouse already so I'd rather get an ambidextrous one next lol.

Here's what you might be interested in http://www.ozonegaming.com/product/xenon/

Perfect for people looking for a smaller mouse to use with either left or right hands and here's a review of it ; http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Ozone/Xenon/

It's a basic mouse that has little extra bullsh!t required to make it work (like all of Razer junk) and it's own software is very small and efficient  .

lol nice this actually looks really good but again no side buttons. 

It's as if small mouse are cursed without side buttons.

Razer's version of this mouse is either the Taipan (laser), or Abyssus (optical). Of course, I would absolutely LOVE for Razer to do a 10th anniversary re-release of the DiamondBack, using the DA sensor. I loved that mouse shape.

Yeah I actually really hope they'd just make a mini Taipan, then it will be perfect for me.  Or give Taipan in 2013 Krait's size and add side buttons.

Hyde, have you considered the Zowie FK? Or the Zowie EC2 eVo? I know the EC2 isn't ambidextrous, but it is smaller than the Deathadder/IME 3.0.

It sounds like people talk a lot about the FK.  I was under the impression that FK is same size Taipan or Avior so I didn't look too much into it.  Is it actually shorter?

Also I did look at EC2 eVo before, but I'd prefer it to be ambidextrous also I already own Roccat Kone Pure which is an amazing small right handed mouse already so I'd rather get an ambidextrous one next lol.

See, that's the thing... I don't know how big the FK is exactly, but have you tried the Taipan before? I've owned one for a while, and I wouldn't call it too big by any means. I could see how one might consider it "too long", but width wise, it is extremely narrow; probably the most narrow of any mice out there. It's narrower than the Steel Series Sensei, and it is probably just as narrow, or maybe just a tad bit wider, than the G9x without their shells, which is another option you could consider since you're looking for tiny mice. Its narrow shape will make it seem as small as any other small mice out there.

I absolutely loved the shape of the Taipan. I just had to led it go because of its laser sensor.

I guess I should clarify, I think Taipan is actually the perfect width and shape but just a little too long like you said.  I find the scroll wheel too far out, otherwise the thumb button is in a perfect spot also the width is also spot on.

Maybe I should find a comparison picture with FK and Taipan and see if it's gonna be viable for me lol.


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EDIT:  Actually I just realize Roccat Kova+ might be a good option too.  Though I think that one is due for a refresh so maybe I should wait for it.

[wetto]

Yes, their plan is actually not to release the CM Storm Alcor in the United States, but its upgraded version, which is exactly the CM Storm Alcor+.

Ahh cool thanks for that confirmation!
Would you say that the build quality for the Alcor is higher or worse overall than their competition's IME 3 clones (G400, DA 13, Rival, Zowie EC? etc) OR are they all relatively the same?

The AVAGO 3090 has been tweaked and perfected to a level I've never seen before on the CM Storm Alcor. Now, the CM Storm Mizar (AVAGO 9800) was looking pretty bad on the prototype I tested, one of the highest LODs I've ever seen on a gaming mouse.

Now, the internals on both are:

- Right and left buttons: OMRON D2FC-F-7N 5M
- Middle buttton: Zhij Switch
- Side buttons: Zhij Switches  (they're a bit unresponsive and I don't trust this brand one bit when it comes to durability)
- Scroll Encoder: TTC
- DPI Buttons: Unkown Brand, it's a Panasonic Square switch-type, it's stiff and unresponsive.

Now, comparing them to the others, it's surely not one of the best, but still not one of the worst. But sure,  a downgrade compared to Spawn/Xornet/Recon.

And comparing to their competitors, each one of them has its weak/strong points. Logitech normally uses the best available for the left/right switches, but the scroll wheel encoder, side buttons and middle button switch are normally bad (and god, I hate Logitech's scroll encoders).

Zowie uses an ALPS scroll, which is just lovely. HUANO switches are also not bad, but from the feedback I heard from its users (I never used one), there seems to be a few points that could be enhanced on the mouse.

Steelseries is also a company that did a downgrade compared to how the internal quality was on the previous models. Instead of using high-quality TTC switches used on the Sensei, they're also using the Zhij crap on the Rival.

Razer upgraded the main buttons on the 2013, which is just great, but they replaced their side buttons for switches from Kailh, which is another brand I just wouldn't give a penny to.

[Novus]

Yes, their plan is actually not to release the CM Storm Alcor in the United States, but its upgraded version, which is exactly the CM Storm Alcor+.

Ahh cool thanks for that confirmation!
Would you say that the build quality for the Alcor is higher or worse overall than their competition's IME 3 clones (G400, DA 13, Rival, Zowie EC? etc) OR are they all relatively the same?

The AVAGO 3090 has been tweaked and perfected to a level I've never seen before on the CM Storm Alcor. Now, the CM Storm Mizar (AVAGO 9800) was looking pretty bad on the prototype I tested, one of the highest LODs I've ever seen on a gaming mouse.

Now, the internals on both are:

- Right and left buttons: OMRON D2FC-F-7N 5M
- Middle buttton: Zhij Switch
- Side buttons: Zhij Switches  (they're a bit unresponsive and I don't trust this brand one bit when it comes to durability)
- Scroll Encoder: TTC
- DPI Buttons: Unkown Brand, it's a Panasonic Square switch-type, it's stiff and unresponsive.

Now, comparing them to the others, it's surely not one of the best, but still not one of the worst. But sure,  a downgrade compared to Spawn/Xornet/Recon.

And comparing to their competitors, each one of them has its weak/strong points. Logitech normally uses the best available for the left/right switches, but the scroll wheel encoder, side buttons and middle button switch are normally bad (and god, I hate Logitech's scroll encoders).

Zowie uses an ALPS scroll, which is just lovely. HUANO switches are also not bad, but from the feedback I heard from its users (I never used one), there seems to be a few points that could be enhanced on the mouse.

Steelseries is also a company that did a downgrade compared to how the internal quality was on the previous models. Instead of using high-quality TTC switches used on the Sensei, they're also using the Zhij crap on the Rival.

Razer upgraded the main buttons on the 2013, which is just great, but they replaced their side buttons for switches from Kailh, which is another brand I just wouldn't give a penny to.

Thanks for that very informative!
Since you mentioned the CM recon, I was reading your review of it over on deskthority
I really like the style and substance (especially the mouse internals) of your reviews.
You talk about the things that really matter and not stuff that I can easily look up myself on a marketing poster, the development history and how it stacks up (pros/cons) in some areas against other devices.
We definitely more reviews like that!
And for these IME 3 devices    ) ... Although I seem to remember you prefer claw/fingertip style mouse devices.

[Novus]

Now, the internals on both are:

- Right and left buttons: OMRON D2FC-F-7N 5M
- Middle buttton: Zhij Switch
- Side buttons: Zhij Switches  (they're a bit unresponsive and I don't trust this brand one bit when it comes to durability)
- Scroll Encoder: TTC
- DPI Buttons: Unkown Brand, it's a Panasonic Square switch-type, it's stiff and unresponsive.

Where did you get such a detailed breakdown of all the parts?
From your own dissasembly?
I hardly ever see such info - even on websites where they take apart the products.

[wetto]

Now, the internals on both are:

- Right and left buttons: OMRON D2FC-F-7N 5M
- Middle buttton: Zhij Switch
- Side buttons: Zhij Switches  (they're a bit unresponsive and I don't trust this brand one bit when it comes to durability)
- Scroll Encoder: TTC
- DPI Buttons: Unkown Brand, it's a Panasonic Square switch-type, it's stiff and unresponsive.

Where did you get such a detailed breakdown of all the parts?
From your own dissasembly?
I hardly ever see such info - even on websites where they take apart the products.

I saw it here:

I wanted to disassemble it as well, but the ones I tested were at an event where CM Brazil was present.