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Offline johndavis33

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Alps boards!
« on: Thu, 13 February 2014, 22:47:22 »
I'm looking to get into alps boards. I'm mostly only experienced with cherry mx switches and I can say by far that my favorite mx switch are cherry mx greens. For this reason, I'm looking at boards with white alps switches, because as far as I can tell they seem to be the stiffest, clickiest alps switches. I know, why not just try buckling springs? I will eventually, but I'm holding out on unicomp making a tenkeyless because I really would like a good TKL board.

So, anyways, does anyone have any good reccomendations for good, cheap, white alps boards?
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 13 February 2014, 23:21:47 »
PS2/AT: Focus Keyboards (FK-2001, FK-8000, etc; anywhere from ~$30-$70 on ebay)
Siig Minitouch (~$50-70)
Northgate Omnikey (In terrible condition, ~$50 maybe.  Better ones are much pricier)
Chicony roulette - Find a Chicony KB-5161/5181/other and pray it has white alps as opposed to any number of other switch types they could have.
That large font DSI keyboard - Modern produced, ~$25+ship I think.  These are pretty terrible from what I remember.
Certain Unitek/Magitronic vintage boards have white alps, I'm not seeing any on ebay at the moment though.

ADB: Datadesk Mac 101E (~$35-50)

Out of all of them I listed, getting a used Focus or Omnikey is probably your best bet.  That said white alps are pretty terrible in my opinion; unlike greens/buckling springs, they don't age well at all and tend to become "gritty" when dust and dirt accumulates in the switch.  Even new, they're only slightly less frictiony.

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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 14 February 2014, 09:21:02 »
Are there any other alps switches that have held up better? I'm looking for something relatively stiff. Doesn't have to be mx black or green level stiffness but definately stiffer than blues.

My closest experience to alps switches are simplified black fuhua switches, so I'll understand comparisons to them
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 14 February 2014, 09:24:25 »
I'm looking for something relatively stiff. Doesn't have to be mx black or green level stiffness but definately stiffer than blues.

I'd definitely suggest Complicated White Alps then. Or perhaps the Matias Clicky Switch.

Edit: I like Ebacho's summary as well :).

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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 14 February 2014, 10:02:59 »
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 14 February 2014, 11:58:33 »
I don't quite understand the rationale for not trying a Unicomp board. You won't be able to get a TKL Alps board either, unless you manage to score a Filco Zero or (shudder) Ducky XM. If Unicomp eventually makes a TKL, you can get that when it's released. You could also watch for an IBM SSK on eBay, but you'll have to be patient if you want to spend under $200.

All that said, my favorite switches are buckling spring, white Alps, and cherry MX clear. I don't think you can go wrong with any of those if you like the heavier switches with lots of feedback, as I do

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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 14 February 2014, 17:11:51 »
  • Focus Keyboards (FK-2001, FK-8000, etc; anywhere from ~$30-$70 on ebay)
Some, but far from all. A lot of them will be Alps clones, and even Omron and Futaba in some cases. Focus keyboards are also a roulette option. Check the model in question against the relevant reference page here:

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Category%3AFocus_keyboards

Please note that there will be switches missing from these pages that have yet to be formally documented. FK-2001 has the most number of different switches.

  • Siig Minitouch (~$50-70)
No and yes — if you get an SMK ("Monterey") version, that's fine (it's not Alps but it's comparable and reputable); the rest are Himake Alps clones and, in the case of mine, they're ridiculously stiff. Some people like them, many do not, and that may depend on preference, or it may depend on varying manufacturing tolerances or all-out changes to the switches.

    Northgate Omnikey (In terrible condition, ~$50 maybe.  Better ones are much pricier)
Uncertain — should be good with these, and you may even hit the blue Alps jackpot

    That large font DSI keyboard - Modern produced, ~$25+ship I think.  These are pretty terrible from what I remember.
Uncertain — a story for another day, but Mechanical Keyboards checked one for me and it was an Alps clone, probably Hua-Jie (Himake). I have no idea how these feel.

All those that I have confirmed by photographic evidence, I have listed here:

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_White#Keyboards
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Blue#Keyboards (this is preferable over white)

Everyone is welcome and invited to update these lists with new discoveries, but please reference every inclusion back to a photograph showing the detail of the switch branding and numbering, so that visitors can be assured that the information is correct, and so I can remove any mistakes, as many switches get mistaken for Alps SKCL/SKCM series. If in doubt, post a photograph to the forum first for confirmation; the forum topic can itself be used as a reference afterwards.
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 14 February 2014, 21:06:49 »
I'm looking for something relatively stiff. Doesn't have to be mx black or green level stiffness but definately stiffer than blues.
Pretty much all Alps switches are stiffer than MX blue. How much sound are you looking for? What kind of click feeling?

Potentially worth trying among clicky/tactile Alps switches and if you can find one or more keyboards that have them: “complicated” blue, white, orange, salmon/pink, (dampened) cream, taxi yellow, brown; various “simplified” white; Matias quiet and clicky. Also, SMK “monterey blue” and orange Omron switches take Alps-mount keycaps, but are pin and plate incompatible, but are also worth trying.

Are you looking for just one board that’s all ready to go, or are you looking for one board as a switch donor, and another for the size/shape/electronics? Do you have a preference on keyboard size/layout? Are you willing to fix up an old keyboard with a new controller to get it working on modern machines?
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 15 February 2014, 10:56:26 »
This is actually more related to a Classified, but it is more likely to be seen here.

Before I put it up on ebay, does anybody want a nice clean Focus 2001 with white Alps for $40 shipped domestic US?

If so, send me a private message.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 15 February 2014, 12:34:23 »
I'm looking for something relatively stiff. Doesn't have to be mx black or green level stiffness but definately stiffer than blues.
Pretty much all Alps switches are stiffer than MX blue. How much sound are you looking for? What kind of click feeling?

Potentially worth trying among clicky/tactile Alps switches and if you can find one or more keyboards that have them: “complicated” blue, white, orange, salmon/pink, (dampened) cream, taxi yellow, brown; various “simplified” white; Matias quiet and clicky. Also, SMK “monterey blue” and orange Omron switches take Alps-mount keycaps, but are pin and plate incompatible, but are also worth trying.

Are you looking for just one board that’s all ready to go, or are you looking for one board as a switch donor, and another for the size/shape/electronics? Do you have a preference on keyboard size/layout? Are you willing to fix up an old keyboard with a new controller to get it working on modern machines?

I'd rather a more "crisp" click, as in one where the force increase happens all at once, not where it gets stiffer and stiffer during the travel and then breaks off. I'd prefer having some sound, but I use headphones a lot with my computer and I'd be perfectly fine with a quite board.

Honestly, I'm not sure if alps are really the switch for me or if I'll like them at all since I've only tried fuhua blacks, which i didn't really like. They just seem like something I definately could like. Therefore, I'm looking for just any cheap board of any size really that'll work as soon as I get it to testout the switches.
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 16 February 2014, 23:19:46 »
I'd rather a more "crisp" click, as in one where the force increase happens all at once, not where it gets stiffer and stiffer during the travel and then breaks off. I'd prefer having some sound, but I use headphones a lot with my computer and I'd be perfectly fine with a quite board.
The main ones to try then, I’d say, are “complicated” white alps, complicated blue alps, and SMK alps-mount “monterey” blue [these aren’t Alps, but they’re keycap-compatible].

If at some point you want a quiet alternative, the Matias quiet switches are pretty nice.

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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 01:11:55 »
No one mentioned the Apple Extended II?

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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 03:45:04 »
No one mentioned the Apple Extended II?
The AEK II uses “dampened” tactile Alps (cream color sliders), and if the OP is looking for something that has as crisp a click as possible, I don’t think it’s likely to be his favorite. I’m not sure if it’s age, or just the precise shape of the tactile leaf, slider, spring, etc., but I find Matias quiet switches to have a bit sharper tactility than the dampened cream Alps.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 03:46:51 »
I bought a Ducky Shrine 3 around Christmas and then proceeded to find a keyboard in my dads office while helping him clean it out that had this desirable clicky sound we all strive. Come to find I found a complicated white alp Liteon and lemme tell you. It is the bees knees.

The ducky isnt even being used right now...
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:17:33 »
To further prostitute myself in selling the clean tested Focus 2001, I have listed it on ebay, but will sell it here for $32 shipped.

Doubleshot caps with red, green, and blue legends on some of the modifiers, red lettering on Escape, that is worth it alone.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:22:32 »
To further prostitute myself in selling the clean tested Focus 2001, I have listed it on ebay, but will sell it here for $32 shipped.

Doubleshot caps with red, green, and blue legends on some of the modifiers, red lettering on Escape, that is worth it alone.

If it wasn't for that big fat enter :D

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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:57:46 »
If it wasn't for that big fat enter

I hear you. There are so many great Alps boards ruined by a layout that is just "off".

Now that I am an old man, I try hard to keep my layouts to a minimum. I can live with a bigass Enter, but the absolute poison pill is a small Backspace, which, fortunately, the Focus does not have. For whatever reasons, I must always tap the left side of Backsapce, so a small one makes me insane.

Now that I have been using the 122 layout for a couple of years, I almost always reach for the left Function keys, but that's another story ....
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 17:00:37 »
To further prostitute myself in selling the clean tested Focus 2001, I have listed it on ebay, but will sell it here for $32 shipped.

Doubleshot caps with red, green, and blue legends on some of the modifiers, red lettering on Escape, that is worth it alone.

So tempting. Can I get a picture?

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 17:04:59 »
The only real "layout" problem is the Backslash/Pipe key which is moved downwards and right, consuming the right third of Right Shift.

As strictly non-ANSI layouts go, this is surely the easiest one for me, personally, to live with. Everything else is as you would expect.


"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 17:14:32 »
To further prostitute myself in selling the clean tested Focus 2001, I have listed it on ebay, but will sell it here for $32 shipped.
How consistent are the white alps switches on that board? I have one white Alps board that I got, heavily used and dirty from ebay, and there’s a lot of inconsistency from switch to switch?

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 17:30:25 »

How consistent are the white alps switches on that board? I have one white Alps board that I got, heavily used and dirty from ebay, and there’s a lot of inconsistency from switch to switch?


Personally, I consider white Alps to be just a bit too heavy for my tastes, and consequently I have not used this keyboard for a long time.

So I cannot really answer that question properly. (note: that I consider hours or days to be the minimum time frame to really get to know a keyboard, not counting "break-in" periods)

I asked Bob Tibbetts, sometimes considered the guru of the Northgate keyboard, a question about a transplant of blue Alps switches, and got this unexpected tirade about how white and blue are identical:

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Why are you going to all the work and pain to swap the switches?  The switches are exactly the same.  Take them apart and look at the inside.  The only difference is the blue plunger.   Unless your 102 was the latest they are the same and I've taken a lot apart.   The internet is loaded with "experts that know the blue switch is better".  It is a total waste of time, effort and cost.  I had a customer a year ago that drove round trip 150 miles + to buy a GL102 Blue switch from me at $225.00  I told him it was a waste of money and proved it to him.  I had both white and blue switch GL102's.   I took a white and a blue switch, both have the same Alps # on them.  Took them apart and showed him that internally they were the same.   After he looked at them, he agreed and saved $80.00   The Asian people will pay almost anything for a Blue switch model, I guess some mystical thing.  I have  no idea though.

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"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 17:53:24 »
Hey, sorry guys, my ebay sale just went through.

There are actually some other Focus 2001s up on ebay that look pretty good, too.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 18:28:24 »
Quote from: Bob Tibbetts
Why are you going to all the work and pain to swap the switches?  The switches are exactly the same.  Take them apart and look at the inside.  The only difference is the blue plunger.
That’s entirely wrong. For one thing, the blue switches have a taller switch plate and therefore different internal lower housing. Additionally, the blue spring clearly has more loops in it (and is therefore less stiff). I suspect that the click leaf also differs, whether in materials, precise angle, or other dimensions, since it makes a slightly different click sound. Overall, the two types of switches feel and sound substantially different.

Has anyone seen Alps white switches with the taller switch plate and lighter spring? Otherwise, I’d suggest that Mr. Tibbets wasn’t looking very closely when he compared the two.
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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 18:32:37 »
AFAIK, blue and white Alps switches do not have the same part number. Blue Alps is part SKCMAG (contemporary with the elusive SKCMAF cream tactile), while white clicky Alps appears to comprise two separate part numbers: SKCMAQ (pine) and SKCMCQ (bamboo). I don't know for certain, but it seems quite telling that the same datasheet depicted yellow linear (SKCLAR) as pine, and white clicky (SKCMCQ) as bamboo, while white clicky in 1994 was given as SKCMAQ, pine. It looks like the removal of slits was significant enough to warrant a new part number, especially as the change did not appear to occur across all the factories at once.

The sheer fact that Alps changed the part number means something. MouseFan and Sandy have both mentioned the factory application of dry lubricant to early generation switches, and my amber Alps switches did indeed have some sort of dark substance on both sides of the slider (while Sandy's blue Alps Acer keyboard appeared to have it applied to the sides of the slider).

Forces in switches are complicated. In a linear switch, Hooke's law should tell you the force required to depress a spring by 2 mm, but you have to bear in mind that it also takes a certain amount of force to defect the actuator leaf in an Alps switch. In a clicky Alps switch, the click leaf imparts a significant portion of the actuation force; once you've cleared this point, that force is released and you've only got the return spring left. In blue Alps, this drop in force is quite considerable: the return spring is only 45 cN or so, despite having 70 gf (ca. 68.6 cN) actuation force. White Alps did appear to alter this balance; for example, Alps may have changed their materials. White Alps appears to have a slightly reduced pretravel, which will make a switch harder to press.

Edit: somehow managed to submit that before I was done.

And yes, Bob is confused. "I took a white and a blue switch, both have the same Alps # on them" — eh? How long did it take him to pair up a blue and a white switch with the same mould numbers? For me, the reverse was true: I never noticed that ALL Omron B3G-S switches say, well, "B3G-S" on them : ) I was just assuming that was the mould number, as I only have the one switch.

Granted, the difference in condition between different keyboards substantially exceeds the difference between blue and white. There's also the suggestion that humidity affects the feel. Blue and white are fairly similar, but my blue Alps keyboard definitely feels better than either of my white Alps keyboards. I also tried making a fake blue Alps keyboard by mixing parts of blue and black Alps, and it just doesn't feel the same — the end result felt like white Alps, and I suspected it may have been a change to the parameters of the actuator leaf, and I know the stamping changed. However, that could also be my fault for assembling the sliders back to front, as I since learned that they're not reversible (though they'll go in the wrong way just fine).

TL;DR: It's complicated, but no, they're not the same design of switch. It also depends which flavour of white Alps switch you have. MouseFan believes that the quality dropped around 1993, and I can easily believe that.
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 18:47:13 »
PS: http://www5f.biglobe.ne.jp/~silencium/keyboard/html/alpssw.html

Compare blue and white: white has lower pretravel and a stiffer return spring. Pretravel gives you a chance to "accelerate" the slider, so it should be fairly long; reducing it will give you the sort of balky feel white Alps presents.

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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 19:39:08 »
I’ll try in the near future to take proper pictures of the switch housings, switch leaves, tactile/click leaves, springs, sliders, etc. of a bunch of different complicated Alps switches in the near future. I now have blue, white, brown, orange, dampened tactile cream, locking gray, locking cream, green, yellow, linear cream, and half-depth green ones. Hopefully the tactile/click leaves will be close to their original shape (it’s a bit hard to tell how much the angle will have changed due to age, etc.) There are definitely at least a few different stiffnesses of springs that are used across those switches.

Daniel, when you tried making your franken-switch, which parts did you take from each switch? I suspect the black switch has a stiffer spring than the blue switch.

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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 17 February 2014, 19:47:05 »
Blue Alps: upper shell, return spring, slider, click leaf
Bamboo black Alps: lower shell, switchplate

Basically I swapped all the interchangeable parts, as I suck at soldering. It didn't feel quite the same, although the difference was subtle and not sufficient for me to feel certain that it wasn't in my imagination.

The only movable parts that would influence the feel are those in the switchplate, and that's the part that was clearly redesigned. It's also a bamboo black Alps switch, and I don't know what is supposed to have degraded with that design. It's complex stuff — Matias for example left the sliders of their switches white as the orange pigment was affecting switch feel. It's quite deep juju. In my case, I was actually using the same parts, not comparing two keyboards. Also, the Dell was NIB, and the Monterey keyboard was heavily used but still felt flawless and even.
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Re: Alps boards!
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 18 February 2014, 16:33:33 »
This is not scientific, but here's a yellow/green comparison:

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The green is grey switchplate, and the yellow is short white switchplate.

Yellow is definitely stiffer, though I only have the one green switch.
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