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Offline vivalarevolución

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Matias Half Keyboard
« on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 07:32:00 »
Has anybody taken the half keyboard for a ride?  It looks like an interesting little device.  Unfortunately, it costs $600 out of the box.
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Re: Matias Half Keyboard
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 07:35:07 »
I really like the idea and plan to do the same with my left-hand ergodox.

until them, you can give the XKCD mirrorboard a shot:
http://blog.xkcd.com/2007/08/14/mirrorboard-a-one-handed-keyboard-layout-for-the-lazy/

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Re: Matias Half Keyboard
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 08:02:38 »
I really like the idea and plan to do the same with my left-hand ergodox.

until them, you can give the XKCD mirrorboard a shot:
http://blog.xkcd.com/2007/08/14/mirrorboard-a-one-handed-keyboard-layout-for-the-lazy/

That is a great idea to do with the Ergodox.  I just may give that a go.  You should post your layout when you get the chance.

One thing I cannot figure out with the Matias keyboard is how to access the different layers, besides holding down the spacebar.  It has a lot going on with that little thing.

if I was Matias, I would buy up some Ergodoxen and experiment making their one-handed keyboard with that technology.  It would vastly reduce their costs, for one thing.

You should post your one-handed layout when you get the chance.  I may start tinkering away right now.
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Re: Matias Half Keyboard
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 10:33:05 »
He's said that the cost is because of high R&D and such along with low sales.

Though an alps ergodox isn't a terrible plan.
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Re: Matias Half Keyboard
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 12:15:50 »
He's said that the cost is because of high R&D and such along with low sales.

Though an alps ergodox isn't a terrible plan.

Call the R&D on on the original model a sunk cost.

 Considering that they have staff that already knows how to design and make a keyboard, I am sure they could find a way to make the Ergodox PCB Alps compatible (somebody already has, haven't they?), make some adjustments on PCB to optimize for one-handed usage, throw together a case, tweak the firmware, and then BOOM! you got a keyboard.

I know it's harder than I described, but it can't be that hard, can it?
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Re: Matias Half Keyboard
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 16:29:53 »
It’s also expensive because, for example, as described on the product page:
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Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act requires that Federal agencies' electronic and information technology be accessible to people with disabilities.

The Half-QWERTY 508 Keyboard is specifically designed to satisfy all compliance requirements for keyboards, under Section 508.
This is mostly something being bought by employers (e.g. federal government agencies) for employees with disabilities, partly for regulatory compliance reasons, and there aren’t many competing products.

if I was Matias, I would buy up some Ergodoxen and experiment making their one-handed keyboard with that technology.  It would vastly reduce their costs, for one thing.
How would that reduce their costs? The tooling, electronics design, and distribution are the expensive part of producing this product; the incremental production cost is probably similar to any other keyboard made at a similar small scale.

If they wanted to make a mechanical-switch version, they could maybe use half of their new ErgoPro keyboard for it. Even then, redoing all the electronics is going to be expensive and take a while.

Considering that they have staff that already knows how to design and make a keyboard, I am sure they could find a way to make the Ergodox PCB Alps compatible (somebody already has, haven't they?), make some adjustments on PCB to optimize for one-handed usage, throw together a case, tweak the firmware, and then BOOM! you got a keyboard.

I know it's harder than I described, but it can't be that hard, can it?
It’s not “that hard” to design and build a prototype with just a PCB, a layered acrylic case, and a general-purpose microcontroller board like a Teensy. (The Ergodox is basically that, a prototype, meant for DIY hacker types.) But it is hard to make a real product with the design, manufacturing, and distribution that goes along with that.
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Re: Matias Half Keyboard
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 06:15:39 »
My general thought is that the Ergodox is being producing for less than $200, and that is for both hands.   But I have no clue about all the other costs involved.

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Re: Matias Half Keyboard
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 14:56:37 »
My general thought is that the Ergodox is being producing for less than $200, and that is for both hands.   But I have no clue about all the other costs involved.
No, the Ergodox is being sold as a non-assembled DIY kit, without keycaps, and using laser-cut acrylic for the case, for $200. Also, all the design work was done by volunteers, and the distribution is mainly through one central source, which only ships a batch once every few months (you can’t just walk into a store and buy an Ergodox).

For the Ergodox to be worth making for a "real" keyboard manufacturer, I suspect it would need a bigger market than a few thousand units.
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Re: Matias Half Keyboard
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 03 July 2014, 08:54:54 »
ErgoDox for €125 shipped, including professional partial assembly, excluding switches and keycaps. source Still have to mix it with a #vintage Cherry/terminal keyboard though.