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Sprit 87% Problem! (Solved, Sprit is awesome!)
« on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 06:52:16 »
Question to all you master modders!:
I've put my sprit board together! All the LEDs work perfectly, and the keys all worked perfectly until I changed the angle of some of the switches to make the stabilizers (Cherry) work properly. Now when I press some keys it starts spamming keys e.g.,
when I press W: wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2ws x2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2 wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2ws x2wsx2wsx2wsx2w etc etc...

and i: i]k

any ideas what the issue might be? I've tried re flashing the firmware and I'm guessing it's now a PCB short I just have no idea which part of the board to start looking for it on!

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« Last Edit: Sat, 26 July 2014, 03:09:52 by fuus »
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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 08:00:22 »

Question to all you master modders!:
I've put my sprit board together! All the LEDs work perfectly, and the keys all worked perfectly until I changed the angle of some of the switches to make the stabilizers (Cherry) work properly. Now when I press some keys it starts spamming keys e.g.,
when I press W: wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2ws x2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2 wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2wsx2ws x2wsx2wsx2wsx2w etc etc...

and i: i]k


Soldering error...

Both of the pins for w are touching the pins for sx2.  Only one pin should touch.

Both of the pins for i are touching ]k.  Only one pin should touch.


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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 08:17:22 »
but it continued to do those spamming letters even after I released W?

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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 08:55:18 »

but it continued to do those spamming letters even after I released W?



The switch may also have a problem. 

You should de-solder that switch and try just connecting the wires together to see if it works properly after that.  If it does, then just solder on a new switch.


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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 09:36:18 »
I've just ruled out the switch, shorting it with a paperclip caused the same issue.
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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 10:21:59 »
To add to the previous stuff I've now tested the diodes and they're absolutely fine too. I'm lost.
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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 12:48:05 »
Could be a defective PCB, or a short near the IC.


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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 13:16:46 »
No obvious signs near the IR with my own naked eye, I'm annoyed because the whole thing was working fine last night  :confused:
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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 19:12:50 »
Do you have a good camera?  Please take a picture of the back of the PCB to show the 2, w, s, x column of your pcb matrix.  Also, post a picture of your controller.  A friend of mine has my 60% (which I think has the same matrix at the TKL on this part of the board, but I can grab it on monday to see if I can see any traces that might cause issues if there is a bridge somewhere.

When you type any of the other keys in that column 2, s, x, do any of them have problems or do they all work perfectly?


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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 19 July 2014, 23:40:28 »
I hope these are okay!


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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 23:54:26 »
Bumpy... Still not fixed
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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 22 July 2014, 05:26:44 »
...until I changed the angle of some of the switches to make the stabilizers (Cherry) work properly.

What do you mean by that?

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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 23 July 2014, 12:24:52 »
Plate only holds switch in on one side, so when I held them in to solder them they were at an angle unlike the other switches...
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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 23 July 2014, 12:47:28 »
I still don't know if I got what you mean. Can you maybe make a sketch of it or a photo?

So something went wrong whilst fixing this angle. Double check what you changed. I can't really see how good the joints are since you can better judge them from the side, but I see that the LED on the S key has not been soldered in properly and is lacking solder. It could be that some other joints need more solder, too.

Does the "wsx2" appear only while you keep W pressed or does it repeat even after releasing the key? If it only appears while keeping that key pressed, I think it has something to do with a broken diode or a diode that has not been soldered correctly. If it keeps repeating after releasing the key I would rather guess that the controller has a problem.

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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 23 July 2014, 13:36:51 »
Plate only holds switch in on one side, so when I held them in to solder them they were at an angle unlike the other switches...

I know what yo mean about the plate.  For me that was only the case on a couple of the stabilizer switches.  I had to really hold them when I soldered, but I did not have any issues with the functionality of the switches...

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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 23 July 2014, 13:52:40 »
I hope these are okay!

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Its hard to tell, but I can't see an issues with the solder job that would cause this.  I still think there has to be something going on with the 2, w, s, x column though and if only 'w' is making this happen it is probably related to that switch somehow...

Sorry I can't really help more than that...

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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 14:57:11 »
I return from a week away from home and now it magically works.... So odd. Thanks for all the advice guys!
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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 15:26:32 »
The Cable  cross chat Issue?


Unplug the other kbd, and  Reboot and quit unnecessary Programs  may Help!!   :thumb:

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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 15:30:44 »
The Cable  cross chat Issue?


Unplug the other kbd, and  Reboot and quit unnecessary Programs  may Help!!   :thumb:


Before every PCB shipping,  I do Test for All keys with tools.   Hopely it was not the cause.   ;)

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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 17:53:05 »
Sprit's help with these issues was absolutely next level, many companies could learn from this!
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Re: Sprit 87% Problem!
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 19:18:40 »
Sprit's help with these issues was absolutely next level, many companies could learn from this!

I totally agree, he has been excellent. Great quality products. Great support and attention to his customers. :)