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Offline Novus

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Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« on: Mon, 11 August 2014, 18:42:39 »
Bought a zowie fk1 on amazon on Jul 17th.
Still in queue (backorder)
Amazon estimated delivery date is Aug 6th to Aug 20th.
I think it'll probably take longer than that though.

I also ended up picking the g502 on sale which will arrive tomorrow.
You guys think I should still keep waiting for the FK1?
It seems flat at a 37 cm height.
Also heard about a hard shell, typical zowie QC issues.

What say you?

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 11 August 2014, 20:00:19 »
You guys think I should still keep waiting for the FK1?

What say you?

GET the FK1 because then you may find some peace with an input device that meets at least with 90% of your expectations.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 11 August 2014, 22:11:59 »
tried the regular FK? it is kinda flat and narrow, but it's not bad.
the shell is really hard, making the buttons even harder to press. I personally didn't like it, but a lot of people love it. sooo... up to you. :p

g502 is quite the opposite direction of a mouse. super light switches, right handed ergonomic, about 2x the weight, with some extra features.
honestly, only way to know is to wait. I ended up choosing the Mionix Avior over the FK though :p beginning to like it a lot more now.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 07:46:24 »
I have been using the FK1 for three weeks now and its great. Mine has no issues either (maybe I'm lucky or better Q.C.). But with any mouse the shape is a personal preference.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 20:38:32 »
But with any mouse the shape is a personal preference.

Basically for the WMO crowd that wants a bigger shape to fit into their hands.  The best thing about Zowie never needing any drivers or software to run it to spec.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 02:02:25 »
The best thing about Zowie never needing any drivers or software to run it to spec.

*Any* drivers? Try to remove the USB HID stack from your operating system. Also, how do you use it without an operating system at all? As a paperweight? Better peel the skates…

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 02:18:51 »
Also, how do you use it without an operating system at all? As a paperweight? Better peel the skates…

What........davkol, don't you have a PC to plug your mouse into yet?  All idiot input devices need their PC and OS to work with, I thought you knew that by now  ;) .

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 02:39:23 »
I have news for you, operating systems are software.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 08:11:43 »
you don't need any *extra* driver software... :p

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 09:48:46 »
I have news for you, operating systems are software.

No they aren't.
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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 10:25:05 »
I have news for you, operating systems are software.

No they aren't.
Tell me about it...

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 18:42:06 »
tried the regular FK? it is kinda flat and narrow, but it's not bad.
the shell is really hard, making the buttons even harder to press. I personally didn't like it, but a lot of people love it. sooo... up to you. :p

g502 is quite the opposite direction of a mouse. super light switches, right handed ergonomic, about 2x the weight, with some extra features.
honestly, only way to know is to wait. I ended up choosing the Mionix Avior over the FK though :p beginning to like it a lot more now.
Never tried the smaller FK regular. I figured it would be too small for my hands.

I still think the new one might be too flat for my liking.

Hrm.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 19:39:42 »
Never tried the smaller FK regular. I figured it would be too small for my hands.

I still think the new one might be too flat for my liking.

Hrm.

If you don't like the FK1 I'm sure you'll get a rabid rush to buy it in the Classifieds  :thumb: .

If you live life hoping something 'might' work for you then never acquiring it, then you will never know.  Take a risk and see, if it doesn't work for you it'll be easy to get rid of here on GH.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 19:43:47 »
Never tried the smaller FK regular. I figured it would be too small for my hands.

I still think the new one might be too flat for my liking.

Hrm.

If you don't like the FK1 I'm sure you'll get a rabid rush to buy it in the Classifieds  :thumb: .

If you live life hoping something 'might' work for you then never acquiring it, then you will never know.  Take a risk and see, if it doesn't work for you it'll be easy to get rid of here on GH.

I have a WTB for the FK1, haha.
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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 20 August 2014, 10:51:34 »
Yea for what i've red in my life looking for the perfect mouse, the FK1 seems to be the greatest mouse ever achieved by human kind.

People all arround the globe agrees there is litterally no better hardware than the FK1. I have never tested it, but i strongly believe that it's accurate as most precision-based gamers are opting for Zowie mice (Not considering sponsor-related "pro-gamers").

Counter-Strike all-times favorite has been Zowie and i don't think any games require as much mice input accuracy than Counter-Strike.

Also yes operating systems are software but i don't understand this whole brouhaha over them. What Elrick posted was fairly easy to understand; Zowie gears are plug n' play and do not require any software installation process from the end user to work flawlessly as intended.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 20 August 2014, 13:17:52 »
Also yes operating systems are software but i don't understand this whole brouhaha over them. What Elrick posted was fairly easy to understand; Zowie gears are plug n' play and do not require any software installation process from the end user to work flawlessly as intended.
What if the mouse works as an ordinary USB HID pointing device, but has a persistent on-board memory for button remapping? It's obviously a superior solution for many users—for ergonomic reasons or maybe because of macros, everything without additional lag in case of software remapping. Of course, you need software to setup it. Well, we have free [as in freedom] drivers and a vendor-independent library for that. Free mouse firmware would be nice as well, but we aren't there yet…

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:32:32 »
Also yes operating systems are software but i don't understand this whole brouhaha over them. What Elrick posted was fairly easy to understand; Zowie gears are plug n' play and do not require any software installation process from the end user to work flawlessly as intended.
What if the mouse works as an ordinary USB HID pointing device, but has a persistent on-board memory for button remapping? It's obviously a superior solution for many users—for ergonomic reasons or maybe because of macros, everything without additional lag in case of software remapping. Of course, you need software to setup it. Well, we have free [as in freedom] drivers and a vendor-independent library for that. Free mouse firmware would be nice as well, but we aren't there yet…

Yes well that depends. I am not a huge fan of mouse macros while some people may like them, that's their choice, but Zowie focus on a plug & play single/unmodifiable configuration (DPI configuration is static, there's like 4 DPIs you can cycle with but cannot change them) and i strongly believe this is the way to go, out of the box configuration plug and play everywhere.

Because you can change the OS sensivity, the software sensivity and your mouse hardware sensivity. That is just too much variable to ever asign a tag on a sensivity. Because how, that way, can you determine 1200 DPI is slow or fast? It doesn't only depend on the DPI anymore, there's a lot more unrequired variable that comes into play.

If you could set your OS to neutral (on windows 1 is the fifth notch on nine for no OS modification/raw input i'd say) and have a standard scheme of hardcoded mouse DPIs (like Zowie does), only that way you get actual, factual results that implies a single variable modification (aka in-game sensivity) for any in-depth studies.

Because currently let's say you play CS:GO, a user can get a faster mouse movement rate using 450 DPI than one using 900 DPI, just because some other "hidden" variables like the in-game sensivity and the OS sensivity are not standardized and the defaults are different on every OS/ version of the OS/version of the game.

That being said you cannot ever compare sensivity speed with anyone because it was all made in a fuss without any agreements/standards, for people to "customize" the stupidest things which should all be in unisense in my opinion.

I know it doesn't seem to matter for you as an advanced user, but look at those poor souls on steam forums or other that has limited understanding of sensivity and such, that wants to learn a little, what they'll read is a bunch of flawed numbers and will never ever be able to reproduce the same feeling as any other persons they read because there is just too much places you can change stuff and omit some variables.
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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 20 August 2014, 15:47:02 »
I mentioned sensitivity exactly *nowhere* in my post. My primary concern is the ability to persistently remap one thumb button to wheel click (for ergonomic reasons) and I love Roccat's EasyShift. If you don't carry about anything like that, a mouse with a properly implemented on-board memory and sensible defaults is basically indistinguishable from a “dumb“ mouse like those by Zowie.

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 20 August 2014, 19:03:39 »
I'm considering an FK1, but I might have read some posts saying that there are issues with its mouse wheel. Does anyone know anything about that?

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Re: Should I remain in queue for the FK1
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 20 August 2014, 19:39:01 »
not so much issues at it just feeling a bit too undefined. you can get stuck inbetween two 'scrolls' if you're not careful. and it doesn't feel that tactile and responsive. but it's not bad per se. just a bit too light for my liking too.