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Offline Polymer

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #200 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 00:58:05 »
If you type with "proper" form, then the variable will feel very natural...If you type with 2-3 fingers on each hand, it'll feel weird I'm sure. 

For longer typing sessions, it is significantly easier on my hands..and it is always very noticeable (for me) when I switch to a uniform Topre or Cherry that my pinky fingers are getting a bit tired...

I think the only problem I had with it was I had to get used to how I rest my fingers on home row as I'd get tons of accidental aaaaaaaaaaaaa...not an issue any longer but used to be...

I also think variable sucks for gaming....But outside of that, while I probably enjoy typing on my HHKB more, variable RF is probably my main, it is just easier on my hands...

Offline Phillip_J_Fry

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #201 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 05:20:31 »
So 55g are lighter than MX Clears? O_o

Offline yomammary

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #202 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 06:55:41 »
So 55g are lighter than MX Clears? O_o
Yes.
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Offline Magna224

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #203 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 08:17:56 »
Topre switches are totally worth trying. I would only buy a used one in good condition though. They don't seem to age terribly either from my experiences like some standard rubber domes.
If you live in AZ you can try my keyboards. I usually keep plenty of different ALPS and MX and buckling springs.

Offline ripwallet

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #204 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 08:28:18 »
Ordered a 87U in 55g because i just couldnt get used to the HHKB layout. Cant wait :)

Offline Magna224

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #205 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 08:40:02 »
I sold my 103UB a long time ago and really wanted a 55g 87u to replace it. I ended up getting a novatouch and it exceeded my expectations. I love it just as much as my realforce except it cost less (Like new for $140 which puts in mechanical kb range). I had been seeing people not really liking them that much and was concerned but for nothing. The only issues are the keycaps and maybe cable placement if you are OCD.
« Last Edit: Mon, 19 October 2015, 08:43:55 by Magna224 »
If you live in AZ you can try my keyboards. I usually keep plenty of different ALPS and MX and buckling springs.

Offline mobbo

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #206 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 10:11:43 »
I'm holding off on more Keyboards for now, but I have a sneaking suspicion a Topre board will be my next purchase. I've been eyeing this: http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110 since the black version came out on Massdrop but haven't been able to find a US/Canadian retailer for that beige Hi-Pro. Also...I doubt it comes in a Tenkeyless version but if anyone knows otherwise, that would really make it the perfect keyboard for me.
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Offline Macsmasher

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #207 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:39:56 »
Anyone here like the variable weight version? I don't see anyone who likes it...


I have an 87U 55g, an HHKB Pro 2 and two 87U variables. If I had to pick just one board, it would be my variables. The hype over the 55g is...hype. The 87U variable is my favorite board.

Have you used a 45g uniform?

That's currently my favorite as I prefer it to the 55g uniform. I am curious what the variable feels like since it's just the pinky-finger keys that seem to be light. My left pinky tends to be the first to get tired, so I'm wondering if that might not be a bad idea to try out.

I'm just worried that it will feel strange having a few light keys, and I'll end up applying the same force to all the keys anyways and bottoming-out hard.
No, unfortunately I've never used an 87U 45g uniform.

The variable is interesting in that I don't notice the difference in key weighting. If I type one key at a time and intentionally feel for it, I can detect the difference. But touch typing on it, I can't. It just feels balanced. I should note that I am a true touch typist and use the correct fingers for all keys. If a user were a two or three finger typist, I'm sure a uniform board would be a better choice. I should also point out that I type Colemak, so I prefer lighter keys because of the reduced finger travel.

Offline Phillip_J_Fry

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #208 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:46:15 »
So 55g are lighter than MX Clears? O_o
Yes.
So 55G is somewhere in between MX Brown and MX Clear?

Offline Altis

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #209 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:57:56 »
No, unfortunately I've never used an 87U 45g uniform.

The variable is interesting in that I don't notice the difference in key weighting. If I type one key at a time and intentionally feel for it, I can detect the difference. But touch typing on it, I can't. It just feels balanced. I should note that I am a true touch typist and use the correct fingers for all keys. If a user were a two or three finger typist, I'm sure a uniform board would be a better choice. I should also point out that I type Colemak, so I prefer lighter keys because of the reduced finger travel.

I'm curious to try the 'ergonomic' weighting RF 87U.

If you didn't like it, couldn't you just replace the lighter 30g domes on either side of the alphas with the normal 45g domes under the function keys to end up with 45g uniform with 30g functions? Wouldn't be awkward then.
WhiteFox (Gateron Brown) -- Realforce 87U 45g -- Realforce 104UG (Hi Pro 45g) -- Realforce 108US 30g JIS -- HHKB Pro 2 -- IBM Model M ('90) -- IBM Model M SSK ('87) -- NMB RT-101 & RT-8255C+ (Hi-Tek Space Invaders) -- Chicony KB-5181 (Monterey Blue Alps) -- KPT-102 (KPT Alps) -- KUL ES-87 (62/65g Purple Zealios) -- CM QFR (MX Red) -- Apple Aluminum BT -- Realforce 23u Numpad -- Logitech K740 -- QSENN DT-35 -- Zenith Z-150 (Green Alps)

Offline Gaspar

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #210 on: Mon, 19 October 2015, 23:27:35 »
Ok, just ordered a white 55g to use at home from Massdrop, november delivery. Since i got my Leopold, that I use at work, I don't enjoy my MX keyboards as much.

There goes 350 (can)$...

Offline Polymer

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #211 on: Tue, 20 October 2015, 00:29:02 »
No, unfortunately I've never used an 87U 45g uniform.

The variable is interesting in that I don't notice the difference in key weighting. If I type one key at a time and intentionally feel for it, I can detect the difference. But touch typing on it, I can't. It just feels balanced. I should note that I am a true touch typist and use the correct fingers for all keys. If a user were a two or three finger typist, I'm sure a uniform board would be a better choice. I should also point out that I type Colemak, so I prefer lighter keys because of the reduced finger travel.

I'm curious to try the 'ergonomic' weighting RF 87U.

If you didn't like it, couldn't you just replace the lighter 30g domes on either side of the alphas with the normal 45g domes under the function keys to end up with 45g uniform with 30g functions? Wouldn't be awkward then.

It actually goes 30g then the next key over is slightly heavier and while it doesn't show it, even the next key over seems slightly between that and 45g. It is probably a 45g dome though....The EK example is how it feels to me..the ones that just show the pinky finger being 30/35g is not right for sure...The "S" key is definitely slightly heavier than "A" but lighter than "D". 

Offline mikes41720

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #212 on: Tue, 20 October 2015, 02:41:48 »
Ok, just ordered a white 55g to use at home from Massdrop, november delivery. Since i got my Leopold, that I use at work, I don't enjoy my MX keyboards as much.

There goes 350 (can)$...

You won't regret it! How do you like your Leopold board so far?

Offline yomammary

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #213 on: Tue, 20 October 2015, 07:32:29 »
RF 87u 55g | Leeku 1800

Offline Altis

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #214 on: Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:23:30 »
No, unfortunately I've never used an 87U 45g uniform.

The variable is interesting in that I don't notice the difference in key weighting. If I type one key at a time and intentionally feel for it, I can detect the difference. But touch typing on it, I can't. It just feels balanced. I should note that I am a true touch typist and use the correct fingers for all keys. If a user were a two or three finger typist, I'm sure a uniform board would be a better choice. I should also point out that I type Colemak, so I prefer lighter keys because of the reduced finger travel.

I'm curious to try the 'ergonomic' weighting RF 87U.

If you didn't like it, couldn't you just replace the lighter 30g domes on either side of the alphas with the normal 45g domes under the function keys to end up with 45g uniform with 30g functions? Wouldn't be awkward then.

It actually goes 30g then the next key over is slightly heavier and while it doesn't show it, even the next key over seems slightly between that and 45g. It is probably a 45g dome though....The EK example is how it feels to me..the ones that just show the pinky finger being 30/35g is not right for sure...The "S" key is definitely slightly heavier than "A" but lighter than "D".

Interesting... I've just been going by the weight mapping I've found in a few places.

Still, I really like the 45g uniform... if I could transform the ergonomic weighted board into a 45g uniform if I don't like it, I'd probably get one.
WhiteFox (Gateron Brown) -- Realforce 87U 45g -- Realforce 104UG (Hi Pro 45g) -- Realforce 108US 30g JIS -- HHKB Pro 2 -- IBM Model M ('90) -- IBM Model M SSK ('87) -- NMB RT-101 & RT-8255C+ (Hi-Tek Space Invaders) -- Chicony KB-5181 (Monterey Blue Alps) -- KPT-102 (KPT Alps) -- KUL ES-87 (62/65g Purple Zealios) -- CM QFR (MX Red) -- Apple Aluminum BT -- Realforce 23u Numpad -- Logitech K740 -- QSENN DT-35 -- Zenith Z-150 (Green Alps)

Offline Gaspar

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #215 on: Tue, 20 October 2015, 20:07:45 »
Ok, just ordered a white 55g to use at home from Massdrop, november delivery. Since i got my Leopold, that I use at work, I don't enjoy my MX keyboards as much.

There goes 350 (can)$...

You won't regret it! How do you like your Leopold board so far?

It's such a fine keyboard, I really love typing on it. And I like the layout a lot. I almost got an HHKB instead of the 87 U but in the end, i find those arrow keys pretty useful, even if I think the HHKB sounds better.

Offline strict

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Re: Topre Realforce worth it?
« Reply #216 on: Tue, 20 October 2015, 20:17:46 »
I ended up liking my variable weight board way more than I expected. I bought it with the intent of harvesting the silenced sliders for my 45g RF but have been enjoying it so much I'm definitely going to be keeping it. Like someone else said, if you chicken peck the variable weighting will probably be off-putting but if you have decent typing form your pinkies will love it.

After having used 55g, 45g, and variable for a couple weeks each I think the absolute best feeling is silenced and lubed 45g. Lubing 45g with extra thick krytox makes it feel slightly heavier and more tactile than normal but still lighter than 55g.

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