Kishsaver on ebay starting at $0.99

[EDI]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Model-M-Model-F-SSK-Kishsaver-60-Compact-Clicky-Mechanical-Keyboard-/281928198056?hash=item41a43ae7a8:g:MawAAOSwnLdWtRGB

 

[azhdar]

pls people do not bid, same seller than here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79403.0

[fanpeople]

I am interested to see what this goes for considering the ellipse project. Has that peaked people interest and craving for an original or has everyone already pumped their kish money into the new version

[inanis]

Yikes, that thing looks like it is in rough condition!

[FrostyToast]

Yikes, that thing looks like it is in rough condition!

Yeah it's almost as if it was shipped in a cardboard box with zero packing material and several other keyboards bashing against it.

[GL1TCH3D]

pls people do not bid, same seller than here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79403.0

Just to add on

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79403.msg2043019#msg2043019

[CPTBadAss]

Yikes, that thing looks like it is in rough condition!

Yeah it's almost as if it was shipped in a cardboard box with zero packing material and several other keyboards bashing against it.

Lol....definitely was .

Edit: For those who don't know, the original Kishsavers were shipped to me from tinlong117. When I opened the boxes, the keyboards were poorly packaged. This board is from that batch as shown in the link. Some of the marks might be just marks and tape. Some of the marks might actually be dents. And yes they were all that dirty out of the box. Just a heads up.

[jaffers]

I bid three fiddy. I got outbid

[raymogi]

That's nasty dirty.

[1391406]

No real need for this with the upcoming F62 / F77's being released.

[sleepy916]

That's nasty dirty.

Most of the kishsavers were like that from Tin. They just needed a little bit of love. 

Before:


After:

[inanis]

I'm aware of the history, I would just think by now it would have received a bit of care. I mean, he is trying to sell it, he could at least TRY to clean the dirt off.

[digi]

I'm aware of the history, I would just think by now it would have received a bit of care. I mean, he is trying to sell it, he could at least TRY to clean the dirt off.

That's original Kishsaver dirt, you don't clean that......inanis =D

[romevi]

I'm aware of the history, I would just think by now it would have received a bit of care. I mean, he is trying to sell it, he could at least TRY to clean the dirt off.

That's original Kishsaver dirt, you don't clean that......inanis =D

Just take a look at Hoff's Kish.

[digi]

I'm aware of the history, I would just think by now it would have received a bit of care. I mean, he is trying to sell it, he could at least TRY to clean the dirt off.

That's original Kishsaver dirt, you don't clean that......inanis =D

Just take a look at Hoff's Kish.

Hoff's Kish was 100% spotless when he got it, all that dirt is from his dirty cheesehead packer fan hands..

[bocahgundul]

If this goes more than 400$ then I think I would just wait for the brand new kishsaver with better case 

[0100010]

Actually - I wouldn't expect it to got for more than about $200.  Once someone does get this board, it would need to be rebuilt - cleaning, new foam, refinishing, new controller, etc.  All that when you can get a new F62 for ~$350.

But - I could be wrong.

[1391406]

All that when you can get a new F62 for ~$350.

Exactly. Why spend a couple hundred or more on a used and disheveled Kishsaver when you can buy a brand new one with built-in USB connectivity for $325.00?

[HoffmanMyster]

I'm aware of the history, I would just think by now it would have received a bit of care. I mean, he is trying to sell it, he could at least TRY to clean the dirt off.

That's original Kishsaver dirt, you don't clean that......inanis =D

Just take a look at Hoff's Kish.

Hoff's Kish was 100% spotless when he got it, all that dirt is from his dirty cheesehead packer fan hands..

Sometimes the truth hurts... 

[jacobolus]

This is fine condition for a Kishsaver; doesn’t seem to have any structural damage. Should clean up very nicely.

[HoffmanMyster]

This is fine condition for a Kishsaver; doesn’t seem to have any structural damage. Should clean up very nicely.

Yep.  Really no issue, other than this... 

pls people do not bid, same seller than here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79403.0

[orihalcon]

Actually - I wouldn't expect it to got for more than about $200.  Once someone does get this board, it would need to be rebuilt - cleaning, new foam, refinishing, new controller, etc.  All that when you can get a new F62 for ~$350.

But - I could be wrong.

I bet it goes for $400 to $600. New is not original. 

I haven't actually seen reviews just yet to confirm the experience compared to an original. I find that there's an incomparable feeling about typing on something that is 30 years old that escaped universal bank policies dictating that they had to be shredded.  New ones just won't have that history and aren't made by IBM.  These things are survivors!

Those bidding on this will be collectors that will be interested in the original.  Had I not recently found one in that price range, I'd likely be bidding on it.

What would deter me in this case is that the seller may be selling someone else's board that is basically stolen it sounds like from the KMAC thread.  With eBay, you're going to be guaranteed that you get what you pay for. Who knows if this board was ill-gotten as well though.

[1391406]

Actually - I wouldn't expect it to got for more than about $200.  Once someone does get this board, it would need to be rebuilt - cleaning, new foam, refinishing, new controller, etc.  All that when you can get a new F62 for ~$350.

But - I could be wrong.

I bet it goes for $400 to $600. New is not original.

You're right. It's not. I value original IBM boards due to their build quality and attention to detail, but my preference is also dependent on condition and availability. I'd opt for an IBM manufactured Model M in decent condition over a Unicomp any day of the week, but if Model M's were extremely rare and those that were available were in disrepair, Unicomp's would start looking pretty good.

[CPTBadAss]

Just FYI: I was the proxy for the shipment of 6019284s from tinlong117. I have confirmed by going back through my PMs that I proxied a kishsaver board to TFR. I did not note the serial numbers but I'm 95% sure this is the one I sent him. In other words, this board doesn't have the same provenance as the KMAC Mini.

Whether the bidder decides to bid based on the KMAC Mini information and my statement is up to the bidder.

[Ellipse]

orihalcon I suggest seeing my comparison video comparing the Brand New Model F's to the original 4704s and Model M's - even though they are just the prototype units, they sound and feel in line with original Model F keyboards, though no two F's ever sound the same in my experience.  It's on the ModelFkeyboards.com home page.

There are no other reviews just yet as the first production units will be manufactured in March and ship in April/May, and I am arranging a meeting in NYC for anyone interested in trying out the working F62 and F77 prototypes.

1391406 I stand by the build quality of the reproduction units as comparable to or better than the originals.  Today's tolerances allow for even more accurate parts thanks to improvements in manufacturing since the 1980s.  For the most critical part, the barrels, the factory guaranteed a tolerance range of less than one tenth of 1 mm without extra charge.  Judging by my micrometer measurements of IBM's original parts, they were not able to approach those tolerances.

The spring force is matched to original IBM standards, as well as the other parts.  You wouldn't realize how worn out and dull some of the originals are until you've typed on a newly made one

[fanpeople]

Actually - I wouldn't expect it to got for more than about $200.  Once someone does get this board, it would need to be rebuilt - cleaning, new foam, refinishing, new controller, etc.  All that when you can get a new F62 for ~$350.

But - I could be wrong.

Its at $260. I think there are probably a bunch of people out there who are not aware of the Ellipse build but wanted one of these/people interested in originals for the sake of originality.

Either way I am going to wager $420

Lock in $420.

[fohat.digs]

1391406 I stand by the build quality of the reproduction units as comparable to or better than the originals.  Today's tolerances allow for even more accurate parts thanks to improvements in manufacturing since the 1980s. 

The spring force is matched to original IBM standards, as well as the other parts.  You wouldn't realize how worn out and dull some of the originals are until you've typed on a newly made one

I would be drooling except for the fact that these small form factors simply won't work for me. I continue to insist that the finely tuned compression and tension in the sandwich of internal plates and mats is what brings a Model F to life - if these new ones can truly "ring" or "sing" like the old ones, then success will be achieved.

[1391406]

1391406 I stand by the build quality of the reproduction units as comparable to or better than the originals.  Today's tolerances allow for even more accurate parts thanks to improvements in manufacturing since the 1980s.  For the most critical part, the barrels, the factory guaranteed a tolerance range of less than one tenth of 1 mm without extra charge.  Judging by my micrometer measurements of IBM's original parts, they were not able to approach those tolerances.

The spring force is matched to original IBM standards, as well as the other parts.  You wouldn't realize how worn out and dull some of the originals are until you've typed on a newly made one

My comment wasn't meant to compare the F62 to Unicomp's Model M's. It was more to suggest that even a lower quality version (eg. Unicomp not the F62) might start looking pretty good if availability of the original was rare, costly, and in disrepair.

[Ellipse]

fohat I have also found that the looseness or tightness of the two inner assembly plates and type of foam both have an impact on sound.

Have you seen my test video on the ModelFkeyboards.com home page?  You can hear what the new keyboards sound like at varying typing speeds (I slow down and speed up my typing throughout the test).  They are still musical and produce excellent sharp clicks but the ringing is reduced compared to an original whose foam has not been replaced.  The disintegrating type of original foam produces more ringing in general in my experience, while the original Ensolite non-disintegrating foam used in some F's, as well as new McMaster Carr foam produces less ring.

There was also some original Ensolite type foam in some of my F's that has not disintegrated, and those keyboards have less ringing than other keyboards.  Also if the foam is too thick or the plates are too tight, both the ringing and the click sound is reduced.  When I put new, extra thick foam in one of my old F122s it greatly reduced the ringing.

[jacobolus]

I suggest seeing my comparison video comparing the Brand New Model F's to the original 4704s and Model M's

Slightly off topic, but just a friendly note:

If the video is showing your standard desk/chair setup, you should really consider either tilting your keyboards up more at the back (e.g. by stacking something under the far end, or flipping down some feet, etc.), or raising your chair higher. Typing will be more comfortable. It would also probably help to pull your chair and keyboard a bit closer together.

[1391406]

The sound of the F62 in that video sounds as authentic as any F I've ever typed on.

[Ellipse]

jacobolus thanks and nope that is just a setup for the video and so that I do not block the view of the keyboards - I don't leave those nice NIB F/M's on my desk either

Thanks 1391406 - if you are in NYC soon maybe you could check out the F62 / F77 in person at the keyboard meetup!

[bocahgundul]

Too much board yet I'm so poor 

[romevi]

Too much board yet I'm so poor 

With ya there, buddy.