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Offline Encabulator

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Who started the non standard bottom row?
« on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 08:04:46 »
The normal 104 ANSI and I and ISO have been around for quite a while now. Mostly all keyboard companies seem to have agreed on this layout, but mostly "gaming" keyboards liked to **** around with the bottom row for presumably no reason. Which company was first to break the norm of the uniform bottom row? I'm only referring to standard layouts, I completely understand different smaller layouts for functionality reasons.
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Offline davkol

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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 08:36:18 »
I'm not aware of any actual standard for key spacing on the bottom row.

IBM Model M layout became an industry standard in the 1980s. It had a couple of 1.5u modifiers with an 1u gap (there's a fun story about that) on each side of the huge spacebar. Some vendors modified it a bit and put 1u keys in the gaps—typically to place backslash somewhere, because they were still shipping a big-ass/AT Enter key instead of what would later become ANSI or ISO Enter key (introduced by IBM too).

Then Microsoft Windows 95 came out, and Microsoft pushed the Start/Windows and Menu keys between Ctrl and Alt. It became a major selling point at the time. Some manufacturers stuck with 1.5u modifiers and tucked 1u keys between them, while others switched to uniform 1.25u key spacing.

Fast forward another 15 years, the enthusiast community started to grow and organize group buys for keycaps. The group buys targeted keyboard layouts, that were popular in the community at the time, i.e., Filco Majestouch (and other Costar boards) first and foremost—Leopold was second, but used a different stabilizer spacing for the spacebar, which was a big deal at the time. Those keyboards had 1.25u bottom-row keys.

Meanwhile, there were keyboards with 1.5u and 1u bottom-row keys too. Mostly Razer BlackWidow and other keyboards made by iOne at the time. They were abysmal quality, though, hence less popular, hence not a group buy target. Gaming-branded vendors have used manufacturers such as iOne a lot, because they could produce cheaper keyboards in larger volumes; in addition, there were problems with supporting in-switch LEDs with Costar stabilizers (which wasn't the case with Cherry's or iOne's type), and gaming keyboards had to be backlit, right?

Note that the tooling for those keyboards had already been in use for many years.

All in all, the "standard" bottom row is only a community standard based on what keyboards were popular at some point. It's not a formal standard, and the community is still a negligible market for companies that operate on a much larger scale.
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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 08:39:12 »
Your mom.

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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
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Offline Encabulator

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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 09:42:43 »
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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 09:43:59 »
I think gaming companies favored the 1u windows key so that people would stop pressing it mid game...or press it less. However as technology improved, we've figured out ways to disable the windows key, unfortunately the old layouts are probably like templates for companies now.

Offline Findecanor

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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:01:10 »
I prefer the layout that iOne and Razer uses, with 1.5u Alt and Control, with 1u Windows and Menu keys ... not that there is much difference in feel to 1.25 mods.

I think that among rubber domes it is more common to have 1.5u Control keys in the corners and let the other modifiers be 1.25u. I don't think I have seen a single mechanical keyboard with that configuration.
Chicony also made a few distinctive rubber dome models with seven 1.5u modifiers on the bottom row and a 4.5u space bar.
The big question is why Corsair persists in having the odd layout with 1.5u Control keys and 1.25u Alt keys but 1u Windows and Menu keys ...
« Last Edit: Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:04:14 by Findecanor »
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Offline DuckNorris

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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:48:31 »
Your mom.
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Offline zslane

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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 16:09:55 »
There are some minor benefits to a uniform bottom row of 1.25u mods, such as lower kit costs for custom keycap sets and more flexibility to move those mods around on boards with alternate or custom bottom row key arrangements (e.g., I own three keyboard models where the FN key is in a different default location on each, displacing/replacing right-side Alt, Win, and Menu). I love custom keycap sets, and it's nice to not have to buy specialty child kits just to accommodate a bottom row that doesn't have the good sense to be all 1.25u.

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Re: Who started the non standard bottom row?
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 11 May 2017, 21:17:45 »
If it were up to me, standard layout  would be 1.25u Ctrl, 1.25u Super, 1.25u Alt, 1.25u Del, 3.75u space, 1.25u Backspace, 1.25u Alt Gr,  1.25 Super, 1.25 Fn, 1.25  Ctrl.