win10 no virtualization built in? [EDIT: yes, hyper-v]

[iLLucionist]

EDIT: Win 10 has Hyper-V for running virtual machines and hyper-v is ingrained in the win10 kernel.

So Win10 is great and all after having removed most of the telemetry with tools. For me, it's fast and rock solid so far (2 months in). My X1 carbon 2017 even manages 12-14h battery life with browsing, word, and excel, and 5-8 hours when running a VM or Illustrator.

BUT... I CANNOT DEVELOP on windows. That means, I do not have homebrew like I used to on OS X. There is no best of both worlds. So there's two options: (1) Virtual Machine (already done this), (2) cygwin (3) win10 anniversary beta linux subsystem.

But the linux subsystem completely misses the point! Whoever wants to use linux for development or sysops, you just need to ssh into it. tmux takes care of the rest.

Why doesn't windows just include native virtualization?? I don't need to see screen output, I just need it to install (perhaps with a screen there) and then run headless and ssh into it!

Just get rid of the linux subsystem and implement a light weight hypervisor right into the kernel. Is it so difficult?

[rasmusx]

Have you tried hyper-v?


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[chuckdee]

So Win10 is great and all after having removed most of the telemetry with tools. For me, it's fast and rock solid so far (2 months in). My X1 carbon 2017 even manages 12-14h battery life with browsing, word, and excel, and 5-8 hours when running a VM or Illustrator.

BUT... I CANNOT DEVELOP on windows. That means, I do not have homebrew like I used to on OS X. There is no best of both worlds. So there's two options: (1) Virtual Machine (already done this), (2) cygwin (3) win10 anniversary beta linux subsystem.

But the linux subsystem completely misses the point! Whoever wants to use linux for development or sysops, you just need to ssh into it. tmux takes care of the rest.

Why doesn't windows just include native virtualization?? I don't need to see screen output, I just need it to install (perhaps with a screen there) and then run headless and ssh into it!

Just get rid of the linux subsystem and implement a light weight hypervisor right into the kernel. Is it so difficult?

Ummm... this is false.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48128

I develop using Docker in Hyper-V containers every day.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/jcorioland/2016/05/31/create-and-run-hyper-v-containers-using-docker-on-windows-10-desktop/

[iLLucionist]

So Win10 is great and all after having removed most of the telemetry with tools. For me, it's fast and rock solid so far (2 months in). My X1 carbon 2017 even manages 12-14h battery life with browsing, word, and excel, and 5-8 hours when running a VM or Illustrator.

BUT... I CANNOT DEVELOP on windows. That means, I do not have homebrew like I used to on OS X. There is no best of both worlds. So there's two options: (1) Virtual Machine (already done this), (2) cygwin (3) win10 anniversary beta linux subsystem.

But the linux subsystem completely misses the point! Whoever wants to use linux for development or sysops, you just need to ssh into it. tmux takes care of the rest.

Why doesn't windows just include native virtualization?? I don't need to see screen output, I just need it to install (perhaps with a screen there) and then run headless and ssh into it!

Just get rid of the linux subsystem and implement a light weight hypervisor right into the kernel. Is it so difficult?

Ummm... this is false.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48128

I develop using Docker in Hyper-V containers every day.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/jcorioland/2016/05/31/create-and-run-hyper-v-containers-using-docker-on-windows-10-desktop/

Thanks, I wasn't aware. I googled for it, and I knew hyper-v existed but I thought it was only available to enterprise customers through enterprise licensing.

Is it any good? Is it fast?

[nmur]

So Win10 is great and all after having removed most of the telemetry with tools. For me, it's fast and rock solid so far (2 months in). My X1 carbon 2017 even manages 12-14h battery life with browsing, word, and excel, and 5-8 hours when running a VM or Illustrator.

BUT... I CANNOT DEVELOP on windows. That means, I do not have homebrew like I used to on OS X. There is no best of both worlds. So there's two options: (1) Virtual Machine (already done this), (2) cygwin (3) win10 anniversary beta linux subsystem.

But the linux subsystem completely misses the point! Whoever wants to use linux for development or sysops, you just need to ssh into it. tmux takes care of the rest.

Why doesn't windows just include native virtualization?? I don't need to see screen output, I just need it to install (perhaps with a screen there) and then run headless and ssh into it!

Just get rid of the linux subsystem and implement a light weight hypervisor right into the kernel. Is it so difficult?

Ummm... this is false.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48128

I develop using Docker in Hyper-V containers every day.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/jcorioland/2016/05/31/create-and-run-hyper-v-containers-using-docker-on-windows-10-desktop/

Thanks, I wasn't aware. I googled for it, and I knew hyper-v existed but I thought it was only available to enterprise customers through enterprise licensing.

Is it any good? Is it fast?

i also develop with Docker in win10 at work (so Enterprise, not sure on its availability on other versions of win10)

it seems to be just fine. don't even notice it running at all.

[chuckdee]

So Win10 is great and all after having removed most of the telemetry with tools. For me, it's fast and rock solid so far (2 months in). My X1 carbon 2017 even manages 12-14h battery life with browsing, word, and excel, and 5-8 hours when running a VM or Illustrator.

BUT... I CANNOT DEVELOP on windows. That means, I do not have homebrew like I used to on OS X. There is no best of both worlds. So there's two options: (1) Virtual Machine (already done this), (2) cygwin (3) win10 anniversary beta linux subsystem.

But the linux subsystem completely misses the point! Whoever wants to use linux for development or sysops, you just need to ssh into it. tmux takes care of the rest.

Why doesn't windows just include native virtualization?? I don't need to see screen output, I just need it to install (perhaps with a screen there) and then run headless and ssh into it!

Just get rid of the linux subsystem and implement a light weight hypervisor right into the kernel. Is it so difficult?

Ummm... this is false.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48128

I develop using Docker in Hyper-V containers every day.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/jcorioland/2016/05/31/create-and-run-hyper-v-containers-using-docker-on-windows-10-desktop/

Thanks, I wasn't aware. I googled for it, and I knew hyper-v existed but I thought it was only available to enterprise customers through enterprise licensing.

Is it any good? Is it fast?

i also develop with Docker in win10 at work (so Enterprise, not sure on its availability on other versions of win10)

it seems to be just fine. don't even notice it running at all.

I develop with it at home on Windows 10 Home, in addition to using it at work.  And I'd agree with the above.