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[IC] XDA Ghost - Oct 16 - More Renders
« on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:36:47 »
Hey folks,

Another update:

Things I changed:

Font: Back to a 'normal' font.  The new font was too busy on the mods, and coupled with low contrast, made them more difficult to read than they should be.  I'll consider using Roman font for novelties.

Colors: I went for a more traditional two tone, with mods having a darker base than alphas.  I tried to keep alphas gray, but there wasn't enough contrast between them and the mods.  So, I made the alphas white to keep everything feeling clean and light.  The mod color itself is now 'WFJ' from SP, which is technically a white color. (I find it amusing that I'm still using white for 'dark' mods.)  I did some guerrilla polling and found this to quite popular.  Let me know what you think!

Profile: I forgot that KAM was an option.  KAM is thicker than XDA.  It is also slightly more expensive.  No sets have run with KAM yet, so there is likely risk for production delays.  The caps are spherical like DSA, but taller. Sticking with XDA.  Cheaper, proven.  KAM was practically tied w/ XDA in the poll.

Things I need to change:
Kits: I need to redo mod kits to reflect the new color scheme.  I need to pick another accent color; I think red text is perhaps too bold.  I'm leaning towards Blue Gray base, plus Gray text.

Novelties: I need to pick a better font. And update the mock ups.



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Story:
I noticed dark low contrast sets like Ninja, and Black-on-Black, and said, 'Hey, there's no low contrast white set to put on my Polycarb keyboard!'  Then I thought to myself 'What's low contrast and white?  ... A Ghost', and so the set was born.

Ghost:
Renders by the ever-amazing Oblotzky.

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Font:
The other unique aspect of this set is that it will use a custom font.  I chose the font because it gives you optical illusion that letters are formed correctly, when in fact, they have the thin parts entirely missing.  The way the characters are both 'there' and 'not there' fits the Ghost theme.  The font itself, St Croce, is based on a worn away Roman font found in an old Franciscan church.

Font is no longer this fancy thing.  It is back to a 'normal' Sans Serif font.

Novelties:
MORE WORK TODO HERE.
For novelties, I wanted to do 'word poetry', where there are bunch of words that you can replace your alphas with and create little messages / poems.  I see them as messages from the 'Ghost' in your keyboard.  I tried to balance out negative (like death, pain, etc) with other fun things (candy) to let you have some fun if you didn't want macabre messages every day.  This is the reason I went for a flat profile (so you can put the words anywhere).


Accent:
For a simple accent, I picked the same alpha font and just made it red.
MOCK UP / RENDER TODO.

Profile:
I set this up with no particular profile in mind (you can see discussion below), but I have settled on XDA after I figured out novelties, and just the overall price.
DSA PBT was very expensive from SP (more than $50 for an alpha kit).

Colors:
Alpha Base: White
Alpha Legends: CMYK 2 0 0 15

Mod Base: WFJ
Mod Legends: CMYK 3 3 0 27

Kits:
Alphas: Yep, here they are.


TKL: I'm playing with removing the FRow, so 60's folks get a cheaper price:


Ext: The last few weird keys.  Stepped Backspace is something I personally wanted to see.


FRow: Here it is, another kit:


Numpad: For those spreadsheet users:


Ergo Blanks: Correct legends are gonna be crazy, so I'll offer blanks:
I'm considering cutting this kit.


40s + Ortho:  Combining these to help them meet moq.


Split Space: I'm personally a fan, but not a 40s user, so let's offer it separate.
I might cut this kit.
« Last Edit: Wed, 16 October 2019, 17:35:15 by fireworm »

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:39:19 »
do it in DCS
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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:40:14 »
DCS would be lit

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:40:54 »
get that 8 week lead time baybeeee
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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:41:37 »
do it in DCS

Hmmm, you do have a point.  But I gotta make head to head poll vs the greatest profile of all time: AEK.   :cool:

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:43:02 »
DCS needs more love. And ergodox support... gotta take advantage of the 50 MOQ for blanks

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:44:42 »
DCS needs more love. And ergodox support... gotta take advantage of the 50 MOQ for blanks

50 MOQ for blanks...  I bet you could run a whole GB of blanks...   ;)

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:47:06 »
It would be rad to get a DCS set. I have not come across any worth getting.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:49:17 »
It would be rad to get a DCS set. I have not come across any worth getting.

That implies you like my set.  :P

I'm actually pretty interested in DSS. (The new 'old' SP Profile.)

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:50:40 »
Added a dumb form: Form here.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:52:03 »
It would be rad to get a DCS set. I have not come across any worth getting.

That implies you like my set.  :P

I'm actually pretty interested in DSS. (The new 'old' SP Profile.)

Indeed!

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:29:13 »
DCS needs more love. And ergodox support... gotta take advantage of the 50 MOQ for blanks

50 MOQ for blanks...  I bet you could run a whole GB of blanks...   ;)
Pretty sure someone tried that with SA, then decided to jump straight to GMK next... its been a week since it closed and I still haven't gotten my invoice, so either they're busy with finals or they died.

Either way making an 'assembly' style kit like Oblotzky does (only just the mods, because this is SP) would have an easier time reaching MOQ and would take full advantage of SP's strength (affordable child kits).

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:37:29 »
DCS needs more love. And ergodox support... gotta take advantage of the 50 MOQ for blanks

50 MOQ for blanks...  I bet you could run a whole GB of blanks...   ;)
Pretty sure someone tried that with SA, then decided to jump straight to GMK next... its been a week since it closed and I still haven't gotten my invoice, so either they're busy with finals or they died.

Either way making an 'assembly' style kit like Oblotzky does (only just the mods, because this is SP) would have an easier time reaching MOQ and would take full advantage of SP's strength (affordable child kits).

Lol, I'm not talking about scud80's; I'm talking about my own SA Blank GB: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98465.0

Yea, I like making SP kits, because they don't really care too much and I can set low MOQ's for them too.  (Like 15 or 25.)

But if the masses demand GMK, I can respect their money, er 'support'.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:38:52 »
Reminds me of Ghost from Antman


I'd also be interested in a DCS profile.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:47:05 »
Reminds me of Ghost from Antman
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I'd also be interested in a DCS profile.
Nice.

I am considering red text accents; they would give it just enough pop on 'esc' and 'enter'. Optional of course.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 18:09:49 »
Reminds me of Ghost from Antman
Show Image


I'd also be interested in a DCS profile.
Nice.

I am considering red text accents; they would give it just enough pop on 'esc' and 'enter'. Optional of course.

A quick KLE mockup:


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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 18:24:42 »
DCS Ghost would be dope fursure.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 18:34:30 »
DCS Ghost would be dope fursure.

Is GH a secret DCS alcove or something?  Thought they were a little too thin for most folks tastes these days ('thicc'er == better)...

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 18:58:36 »
Really ghost,haha.
Nice design.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 19:14:20 »
Yes !!! DCS and the red legended accents !!!

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 19:42:15 »
DSS.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 21:17:08 »
DCS Ghost would be dope fursure.

Is GH a secret DCS alcove or something?  Thought they were a little too thin for most folks tastes these days ('thicc'er == better)...

there's been a cult asking for a DCS set for a while

if this doesn't go DCS i'll probably do one
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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 21:36:04 »
DCS Ghost would be dope fursure.

Is GH a secret DCS alcove or something?  Thought they were a little too thin for most folks tastes these days ('thicc'er == better)...

there's been a cult asking for a DCS set for a while

if this doesn't go DCS i'll probably do one
A cult you say.

How do I join? Buy DCS Midnight?

Or just DCS Blanks...?

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 21:39:11 »
DCS Ghost would be dope fursure.

Is GH a secret DCS alcove or something?  Thought they were a little too thin for most folks tastes these days ('thicc'er == better)...

there's been a cult asking for a DCS set for a while

if this doesn't go DCS i'll probably do one
A cult you say.

How do I join? Buy DCS Midnight?

Or just DCS Blanks...?

if you don't want to run this in DCS i've got plans so don't feel obligated

i bet it'd be rockin in DSA, since the bigger legends might make it a bit more legible

in DCS this would probably end up like SA chronicler
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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 21:59:21 »
DCS Ghost would be dope fursure.

Is GH a secret DCS alcove or something?  Thought they were a little too thin for most folks tastes these days ('thicc'er == better)...

there's been a cult asking for a DCS set for a while

if this doesn't go DCS i'll probably do one
A cult you say.

How do I join? Buy DCS Midnight?

Or just DCS Blanks...?

if you don't want to run this in DCS i've got plans so don't feel obligated

i bet it'd be rockin in DSA, since the bigger legends might make it a bit more legible

in DCS this would probably end up like SA chronicler
The thinner legends in the mods are a little concerning for sure.

Wonder if the DSS legends are from DSA or DCS...

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 22:11:51 »
Uhh okay I really like this but please uniform profile 🙏🏻

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 22:20:27 »
DCS Ghost would be dope fursure.

Is GH a secret DCS alcove or something?  Thought they were a little too thin for most folks tastes these days ('thicc'er == better)...

there's been a cult asking for a DCS set for a while

if this doesn't go DCS i'll probably do one
A cult you say.

How do I join? Buy DCS Midnight?

Or just DCS Blanks...?

if you don't want to run this in DCS i've got plans so don't feel obligated

i bet it'd be rockin in DSA, since the bigger legends might make it a bit more legible

in DCS this would probably end up like SA chronicler
The thinner legends in the mods are a little concerning for sure.

Wonder if the DSS legends are from DSA or DCS...

has SP even run and DSS sets yet?
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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 22:38:19 »
DCS Ghost would be dope fursure.

Is GH a secret DCS alcove or something?  Thought they were a little too thin for most folks tastes these days ('thicc'er == better)...

there's been a cult asking for a DCS set for a while

if this doesn't go DCS i'll probably do one
A cult you say.

How do I join? Buy DCS Midnight?

Or just DCS Blanks...?

if you don't want to run this in DCS i've got plans so don't feel obligated

i bet it'd be rockin in DSA, since the bigger legends might make it a bit more legible

in DCS this would probably end up like SA chronicler
The thinner legends in the mods are a little concerning for sure.

Wonder if the DSS legends are from DSA or DCS...

has SP even run and DSS sets yet?
They are getting DSS Dolch out in July, according to the website.

I was poking them about it; since I'm interested in running DSS Blanks at some point...

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 23:48:24 »
Pretty cool idea

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 05:34:35 »
Here kitty KAT!

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 09:47:49 »
Looks like I inadvertently created a "Whats Your Favorite Keycap Profile?" thread...

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 09:52:23 »
Uhh okay I really like this but please uniform profile 🙏🏻

Yeah, help us Colemak bois out <3
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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 12:30:54 »
Uhh okay I really like this but please uniform profile

Yeah, help us Colemak bois out <3
Dozens of you folks! Dozens!

Likely gonna stick with SP, so we can do low MOQ ColeMak.

Got an interesting response from SP: DSS will have DSA legends. DCS also has some different legends than what's in their shop.

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 12:43:12 »
Uhh okay I really like this but please uniform profile

Yeah, help us Colemak bois out <3
Dozens of you folks! Dozens!

Likely gonna stick with SP, so we can do low MOQ ColeMak.

Got an interesting response from SP: DSS will have DSA legends. DCS also has some different legends than what's in their shop.

Yeah man, I'd love sculpted + low moq colemak extras <3
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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 14:54:47 »
I'd be down to get a DCS version of this, I think it would look really cool on white boards!

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 15:11:03 »
I'd be down to get a DCS version of this, I think it would look really cool on white boards!

Yup, MAO is a popular color, which is also something I had thought would drive interest in an almost white keyset.  :)

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 18:12:54 »
Please, DCS or KAT. One of the two. We already have so much cherry and sa sets.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 18:23:19 »
Please, DCS or KAT. One of the two. We already have so much cherry and sa sets.

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KAT has been delayed for like a year...

I'm likely sold on one of either DCS / DSS / DSA.

The reason for DSA is that I've got a neat idea for novelties, where they'll replace the alphas, and doing it as non-Uniform doesn't allow for as much....creativity. 

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 18:25:15 »
Kat is a good choice too - but I wonder about compatibility.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 18:58:14 »
Kat is a good choice too - but I wonder about compatibility.

I'm really really curious how different DSS is from KAT.  They are both Medium Profile, Spherical. 

Also, PBT is likely out the door, unless I flip the colors from [White on Gray] to [Gray on White].

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 08 May 2019, 03:55:10 »
dss and my money is guaranteed

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 08 May 2019, 06:22:04 »
Kat is a good choice too - but I wonder about compatibility.

I'm really really curious how different DSS is from KAT.  They are both Medium Profile, Spherical. 

Also, PBT is likely out the door, unless I flip the colors from [White on Gray] to [Gray on White].

DSS is also sadly vaporware.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 08 May 2019, 13:26:10 »
Here's my crazy idea for DSA:

'Spooky' Writings Novelties:
So the Ghost in your keyboard can finally leave you some messages.

Mock Up:

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 08 May 2019, 13:30:52 »
👻 spoopy 👻
so cute tho! DCS from what others are saying would be swell, but DSA is also nice toooo

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 09 May 2019, 19:37:09 »
Some interesting info: SP apparently has a ton of different DCS molds.  16 for right shift alone.

I'm probably gonna bite and order a few samples of things that are not the mold they have in their shop (since they didn't have any pictures of the different molds).  I think that one really looks terrible (Left Aligned, Text + Icon),  Centered, Text, and hopefully bigger.

Does anyone have feedback about the colors? (White on Light Gray, with possibly Red accents)  Everyone seems focused on the profile...

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 09 May 2019, 21:15:56 »
I think most people are focused on the profile because they're pretty down with the colors really nice unique idea man.

Like the only deal breaker for me at this point is if it's SA or terribly expensive, so all I can really comment on is the profile.

I would like to see some more fleshed out renters with the red legends as I'm not sold on them atm

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 09 May 2019, 23:42:58 »
I think most people are focused on the profile because they're pretty down with the colors really nice unique idea man.

Like the only deal breaker for me at this point is if it's SA or terribly expensive, so all I can really comment on is the profile.

I would like to see some more fleshed out renters with the red legends as I'm not sold on them atm

Lol, so everyone is just in quiet awe...

I'm pretty settled on: Not SA, and it's unlikely to be super expensive, considering other SP sets out there (DSA Scientific: $30 Alphas).

I hear you on the renders.  Once I settle on profile, I'll get some much nice ones.  :)

If I can get some better mod legends on DCS, I'll likely pick it.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 10 May 2019, 02:22:30 »
I understand that you do not have set mock ups (what is in the set) but please add left shift (or ISO) compatibility and I am in.

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 10 May 2019, 02:26:00 »
Dig the set. Would love more words in the Spooky kit to get a few more spooky combinations!

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Re: [IC] Ghost - Profile TBD
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 12 May 2019, 16:31:20 »
I understand that you do not have set mock ups (what is in the set) but please add left shift (or ISO) compatibility and I am in.
I will follow the kits many have made. ISO support will happen. :)
Dig the set. Would love more words in the Spooky kit to get a few more spooky combinations!
I'll give it a try. If I do DCS, I'll really have to think it through.  I do want to stay away from overly negative words, like "kill" "murder" etc.  And lean toward more read-between-the-lines words.

I am waiting to hear back from SP about available DCS legends, and/or pay for some samples.

I'm like 75% leaning towards DCS. I'm also working on kits. I will increase the contrast for the images (so you can actually understand the kit).
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