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Re: [IC] MT3 SNES // Kits, feedback, etc.
« Reply #300 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 10:48:55 »
I like the idea of moving the R1 Del, R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn to the TKL kit as a 65% user myself.  At the very least I'd want them in the Specialty Kit because otherwise I'd have to buy Ortho/40s which would be more expensive for only a couple keys.  And I like that the Accent kit has both the F row and numrow.  Gamer kit is solid too.

Could we get a couple (at least 2) 1u R3 novelties somewhere, like in the Power Pack kits? I'm an ortho user and don't use escape or tab in R3 on the left side or ' or enter on the right.

Two 1u R3 novelties would be more flexible for people, e.g., some people use R3 for control, caps lock, FN, etc.


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Would love to see some more 1u R3 novelties as well.

Also if possible a 1u R3 Ctrl key in the ortho kit :)

Noted. Will add R3 keys for ortho. @psxndc, what keys are you using on R3, if you don't mind me asking?

One thing I want to take advantage of is the reversible R2/R3 profile. Still thinking about a solution.

Also, I suppose blanks are okay but generic legends or novelties are preferred? That being said, Ergodox mod kit would be blank.
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« Reply #301 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 11:30:13 »

Noted. Will add R3 keys for ortho. @psxndc, what keys are you using on R3, if you don't mind me asking?

One thing I want to take advantage of is the reversible R2/R3 profile. Still thinking about a solution.

Also, I suppose blanks are okay but generic legends or novelties are preferred? That being said, Ergodox mod kit would be blank.
Totally didn't even think/realize about the reversible R2/R3, but text would be upside down if it wasn't an icon/blank.

For me, I have backspace on both sides (with delete being up in R1), but I know that I'm a weirdo in that respect. It started because I use Colemak which moves backspace to capslock and then when I switched to ortho, I moved Enter down to R4, freeing up R3 on the right side. Because I suck at touch typing still and I make a lot of mistakes, I use two backspaces to even out the strain on my pinkies. But getting even a 1u backspace for Colemak would be an additional key that few use and a big ask already, so getting two would be out of the question and not useable for anyone else. So I just ask for novelties. Plus that allows folks to put whatever they want there. At some point I may move CTRL to there so I'm not cranking my hand at an angle to copy/paste (which I do all the time) on the left side. Or a third layer key.
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« Reply #302 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 15:14:17 »
Great kitting choices! It looks like you considered pretty much every cool, obscure layout out there.

I would keep all of the red outlined keys as is :)
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« Reply #303 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 16:28:23 »
Great kitting choices! It looks like you considered pretty much every cool, obscure layout out there.

I would keep all of the red outlined keys as is :)

Thank you. They will probably be moved and not removed. ;)

I just noticed that R1 Esc is missing from TKL... full sculpt is hard.


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« Reply #304 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 16:37:22 »
Thank you. They will probably be moved and not removed. ;)

I just noticed that R1 Esc is missing from TKL... full sculpt is hard.

Keeping them where they are would be preferential even to moving them, imo. I think the current setup strikes a great balance between versatility, layout coverage and kit size. :)

Speaking of the TKL mods, have you considered dropping or moving Menu (esp. the 1u)? Seems just a tad redundant, since Fn usually covers for that key quite well.

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« Reply #305 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 17:42:37 »
Thank you. They will probably be moved and not removed. ;)

I just noticed that R1 Esc is missing from TKL... full sculpt is hard.

Keeping them where they are would be preferential even to moving them, imo. I think the current setup strikes a great balance between versatility, layout coverage and kit size. :)

Speaking of the TKL mods, have you considered dropping or moving Menu (esp. the 1u)? Seems just a tad redundant, since Fn usually covers for that key quite well.

I like the idea of an all-in-one TKL kit (65~75% friendly), leaving Specialty for less common boards. It makes for an easier buy, imo.

As for the Fn/menu keys, the rationale was that if you include the R3 Control, then some people might want that extra 1.25u Fn on the bottom row. So why not include the 1u as well. Though we can always reconsider.


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« Reply #306 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 13:25:32 »
I've been thinking... the ABXY kit isn't really doing it for me. I think (4) blank kits would be more versatile and cheaper than novelties:

Buttons (replacing ABXY)


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« Reply #307 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 14:13:08 »
Certainly works for me. And to be fair, the buttons on the SNES controller aren't themselves labeled like the PS and Xbox controller buttons are.

I like the R3 additions to the ortho/40s in the power pack btw. Thanks for that!

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« Reply #308 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 14:23:38 »
Certainly works for me. And to be fair, the buttons on the SNES controller aren't themselves labeled like the PS and Xbox controller buttons are.

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« Reply #309 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 21:25:33 »
Added ergo mods and buttons.

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« Reply #310 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 22:58:04 »
Thanks for adding the Power Pack kit specifically for 40's/ortho.


One thing I'd like to know from others is if they prefer start and select on the same row. That way it can match the SNES controller. Also, if not start and select on r5, I'd like to see some novelty text on r5, esp. for ortho considering it has at least 10, 1u r5 mods. Staggered 40's does not have as many r5 mods, but it'd be nice to put some novelty text caps there as well.

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« Reply #311 on: Mon, 23 March 2020, 03:52:07 »
I love this, but I just checked, I want 7(!) of the kits, this would be hella expensive... still, I might join this, maybe with less decoration. I'd like to get the 4 coloured arrow keys like in the new banner render but the OG gamer kit is otherwise useless and looks like it's going to be super expensive... Anyway this is my second most favourite set in IC rn, looking forward to the ABS MT3 reviews. (If it turns out something with ABS MT3 is really wrong, would you consider switching to KAT?)

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« Reply #312 on: Mon, 23 March 2020, 06:53:25 »
Love the Ortho/40% and the Power Pack changes.

Are the alphas white or a light grey?

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« Reply #313 on: Mon, 23 March 2020, 11:37:29 »
Thanks for adding the Power Pack kit specifically for 40's/ortho.

One thing I'd like to know from others is if they prefer start and select on the same row. That way it can match the SNES controller. Also, if not start and select on r5, I'd like to see some novelty text on r5, esp. for ortho considering it has at least 10, 1u r5 mods. Staggered 40's does not have as many r5 mods, but it'd be nice to put some novelty text caps there as well.

I agree. Start/Select were originally on the bottom row. I removed them because the kits were getting too large. But I see your point...

I love this, but I just checked, I want 7(!) of the kits, this would be hella expensive... still, I might join this, maybe with less decoration. I'd like to get the 4 coloured arrow keys like in the new banner render but the OG gamer kit is otherwise useless and looks like it's going to be super expensive... Anyway this is my second most favourite set in IC rn, looking forward to the ABS MT3 reviews. (If it turns out something with ABS MT3 is really wrong, would you consider switching to KAT?)

Some kits may slim down or get split up. Don't worry, it will all fall into place once I get more feedback.

Love the Ortho/40% and the Power Pack changes.

Are the alphas white or a light grey?

The colour I am using for the alphas is currently: https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/PQ-14-4103TCX

For which you can get a plastic chip. I only have chips for the purple colours at this moment (they are expensive).

It's similar to SP's GTL but a tad lighter (like GSL): https://pimpmykeyboard.com/template/images/absgray.jpg (I have samples for both)

TL;DR: Not as dark as the PAL version nor as purple-grey as the NA version, but it provides good contrast with the dark purple legends without being too white.



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« Reply #314 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 02:06:00 »
Thanks for adding the Power Pack kit specifically for 40's/ortho.

One thing I'd like to know from others is if they prefer start and select on the same row. That way it can match the SNES controller. Also, if not start and select on r5, I'd like to see some novelty text on r5, esp. for ortho considering it has at least 10, 1u r5 mods. Staggered 40's does not have as many r5 mods, but it'd be nice to put some novelty text caps there as well.

I agree. Start/Select were originally on the bottom row. I removed them because the kits were getting too large. But I see your point...

I love this, but I just checked, I want 7(!) of the kits, this would be hella expensive... still, I might join this, maybe with less decoration. I'd like to get the 4 coloured arrow keys like in the new banner render but the OG gamer kit is otherwise useless and looks like it's going to be super expensive... Anyway this is my second most favourite set in IC rn, looking forward to the ABS MT3 reviews. (If it turns out something with ABS MT3 is really wrong, would you consider switching to KAT?)

Some kits may slim down or get split up. Don't worry, it will all fall into place once I get more feedback.

Love the Ortho/40% and the Power Pack changes.

Are the alphas white or a light grey?

The colour I am using for the alphas is currently: https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/PQ-14-4103TCX

For which you can get a plastic chip. I only have chips for the purple colours at this moment (they are expensive).

It's similar to SP's GTL but a tad lighter (like GSL): https://pimpmykeyboard.com/template/images/absgray.jpg (I have samples for both)

TL;DR: Not as dark as the PAL version nor as purple-grey as the NA version, but it provides good contrast with the dark purple legends without being too white.
Looking forward to this, looks interesting.
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« Reply #315 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 04:06:44 »
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The colour I am using for the alphas is currently: https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/PQ-14-4103TCX

For which you can get a plastic chip. I only have chips for the purple colours at this moment (they are expensive).

It's similar to SP's GTL but a tad lighter (like GSL): https://pimpmykeyboard.com/template/images/absgray.jpg (I have samples for both)

TL;DR: Not as dark as the PAL version nor as purple-grey as the NA version, but it provides good contrast with the dark purple legends without being too white.

Thank you for the clarification!
Can't wait for this set!  :thumb:

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« Reply #316 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 18:46:15 »
Voted. Excited. Grateful.

Purple/lavender numpad keys would be incredible.
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« Reply #317 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 10:10:15 »
It was brought up by @cijanzen on keebtalk that the alphas may look monochrome on certain devices, in the renders.

To be clear, the alphas legends are dark purple. Was anyone expecting grey on grey alphas? Otherwise, a monochrome options could be nice.

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« Reply #318 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 11:21:22 »
Just checking in to say I saw the new tkl mod kit render and it looks hawt  :thumb:

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« Reply #319 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 01:06:39 »
So many nostalgic feels looking at this—exciting.

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« Reply #320 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 16:50:58 »
Yes please. I love how this looks in MT3 Profile.

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« Reply #321 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 17:00:23 »
Very VERY excited for this. Looks great in a spherical profile. Keep up the great work. I could have missed it, but have you released any potential vendors?
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« Reply #322 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 17:34:34 »
Very VERY excited for this. Looks great in a spherical profile. Keep up the great work. I could have missed it, but have you released any potential vendors?

It's MT3, so Drop will be the vendor.
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« Reply #323 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 21:30:12 »
It was brought up by @cijanzen on keebtalk that the alphas may look monochrome on certain devices, in the renders.

To be clear, the alphas legends are dark purple. Was anyone expecting grey on grey alphas? Otherwise, a monochrome options could be nice.
Would appreciate if accent kit was moved to alphas and the the current number and F row moved to monochrome alphas.

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« Reply #324 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 04:12:50 »
It was brought up by @cijanzen on keebtalk that the alphas may look monochrome on certain devices, in the renders.

To be clear, the alphas legends are dark purple. Was anyone expecting grey on grey alphas? Otherwise, a monochrome options could be nice.
Would appreciate if accent kit was moved to alphas and the the current number and F row moved to monochrome alphas.

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This sounds like it comes from a 60s user, having both rows purple would look awful. But for the F-keys, I agree those could be in base, I'd guess the majority of people using this set with F keys would want these accents as they're pretty central to the theme. I don't think the same is true for the majority of users with a number row, though

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« Reply #325 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 09:49:35 »
i have an idea, how about a kit consists of w,a,s,d,x as dark gray, v,g,n,j also as dark gray and l,p,/,' as purple? so that we can visualize an snes controller on the keyboard?  :D :D  ( will look perfect for ortho owners but staggered would good too)

Another opinion is that I prefer to see as much purple as we can see on snes controller. Full F row of purple seems too extreme.
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« Reply #326 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 11:45:33 »
I believe the OG Gamer Pack and using the R2/R3 purple blanks will give you the look you're looking for, no?
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« Reply #327 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 15:11:59 »
I'm tottally in. This needs an ergo kit!

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« Reply #328 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 18:02:19 »
Very VERY excited for this. Looks great in a spherical profile. Keep up the great work. I could have missed it, but have you released any potential vendors?

It's MT3, so Drop will be the vendor.

Correct

It was brought up by @cijanzen on keebtalk that the alphas may look monochrome on certain devices, in the renders.

To be clear, the alphas legends are dark purple. Was anyone expecting grey on grey alphas? Otherwise, a monochrome options could be nice.
Would appreciate if accent kit was moved to alphas and the the current number and F row moved to monochrome alphas.

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This sounds like it comes from a 60s user, having both rows purple would look awful. But for the F-keys, I agree those could be in base, I'd guess the majority of people using this set with F keys would want these accents as they're pretty central to the theme. I don't think the same is true for the majority of users with a number row, though

The accent f-row was originally in the TKL kit but some people asked for the normal f-row. If we add the monochrome alphas, then we have to split the f-row anyway.

I'm tottally in. This needs an ergo kit!

i have an idea, how about a kit consists of w,a,s,d,x as dark gray, v,g,n,j also as dark gray and l,p,/,' as purple? so that we can visualize an snes controller on the keyboard?  :D :D  ( will look perfect for ortho owners but staggered would good too)

Another opinion is that I prefer to see as much purple as we can see on snes controller. Full F row of purple seems too extreme.

Because this is full-sculpt, what you're suggesting is more difficult. The best you can do, as mentioned by @psxndc, is get some button kits; there are some for each row. Unfortunately, we can't offer every possibility. :(

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« Reply #329 on: Wed, 01 April 2020, 11:36:28 »
I posted the IC on reddit:

Jesus christ I just posted on April fools... UNDO!!! :eek:
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« Reply #330 on: Thu, 02 April 2020, 04:18:08 »

The accent f-row was originally in the TKL kit but some people asked for the normal f-row. If we add the monochrome alphas, then we have to split the f-row anyway.


I first saw this IC over at Keebtalk so didn't realize this was the case. Call me different but I actually like the purple F-row in the base better. I get people love monochrome but come on, if every set is monochrome what is the fun in that? My preference would be purple F-row in base kit, monochrome F-row as a separate kit, similar to how Oblivion has an entire Monochrome mod kit for people who love it that way. But the base has to stay true to the vision and inspiration of the set.

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« Reply #331 on: Thu, 02 April 2020, 09:37:45 »

The accent f-row was originally in the TKL kit but some people asked for the normal f-row. If we add the monochrome alphas, then we have to split the f-row anyway.


I first saw this IC over at Keebtalk so didn't realize this was the case. Call me different but I actually like the purple F-row in the base better. I get people love monochrome but come on, if every set is monochrome what is the fun in that? My preference would be purple F-row in base kit, monochrome F-row as a separate kit, similar to how Oblivion has an entire Monochrome mod kit for people who love it that way. But the base has to stay true to the vision and inspiration of the set.

And last but not least, super homing kit please! (another reminder)

Thanks for your comment.

To clarify, when I mentioned "monochrome", I referred to the alpha's legend colour. They are purple; and I am considering a monochrome option.

The monochrome option would not be a replacement for the current alphas. This way, people who don't particularly care for SNES and want a lighter MT3 set with R5 bottom row, can still join. Further, European & global buyers may prefer a PAL/Famicom themed set.

Depending on whether we offer the monochrome alphas or not, your suggestion could make sense. As is, I agree that moving the accent f-row back into the TKL kit, while having the normal f-row as an option, would be smart. If we decide to offer the monochrome alphas, then... I would have to think about it.

But yeah, I think swapping the normal f-row for the accent f-row is a good idea.

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« Reply #332 on: Thu, 02 April 2020, 10:07:51 »
I would only buy an alpha set if it also comes with a compatible colevrak+ kit, and I did not expect the legends to be black from the renders. I think I'd buy the purple one if there was an option between 2 otherwise equal legend colors, but black legends would probably also look good.

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« Reply #333 on: Thu, 02 April 2020, 10:11:16 »
I would only buy an alpha set if it also comes with a compatible colevrak+ kit, and I did not expect the legends to be black from the renders. I think I'd buy the purple one if there was an option between 2 otherwise equal legend colors, but black legends would probably also look good.

I would only buy an alpha set if it also comes with a compatible colevrak+ kit, and I did not expect the legends to be black from the renders. I think I'd buy the purple one if there was an option between 2 otherwise equal legend colors, but black legends would probably also look good.

The monochrome legends would be dark grey (like the Enter and Esc keys).