Author Topic: Who vs hhkb (Read 68137 times)

pang0011 · « **Reply #100 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 10:28:05 »

Quote from: ripster;192055

Yep, I'm not complaining. It's a hobbyist thing it smells like.

As long as that FCN key isn't obnoxiously hardwired it seems you could reprogram the firmware to stick the arrow keys wherever you want.

Problem, as always, with these Mysterious Posts From The Far East is getting your hands on them. I'm even too lazy to get the KBC Keycaps.

Somebody stick it on Ebay from HK and I'll buy.

If only for the KBC keycaps, you don't have to, that two sets of keycaps will be on its way to the US next week, I think iMav will have received them by 18-6-10.

kishy · « **Reply #101 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 12:30:10 »

Quote from: didjamatic;192043

Well, it's only doing half the job, the Miniguru will keep you on home row for everything, this won't. It looks like a fantastic keyboard and I would like to try to get some of them, but they are still very different.

Ferrari F355 GTS:
Show Image

Pontiac Fiero:
Show Image

Fairly certain that's not a Fiero lol (filename even says that's a real Ferrari, though I know 'upconversion' body kits exist)

If you ask me, the Fiero is a better looking car...but that's me. Apparently they're pretty high maintenance just to keep them operating at all though.

Nonmouse · « **Reply #102 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 13:19:51 »

Quote from: kishy;192100

Fairly certain that's not a Fiero lol (filename even says that's a real Ferrari, though I know 'upconversion' body kits exist)

The article is a little unclear- definitely not a Ferrari, though.

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If you ask me, the Fiero is a better looking car...but that's me. Apparently they're pretty high maintenance just to keep them operating at all though.

Enh, they're no worse than any other 20+ year-old car. Plus, you can do all sorts of interesting upgrades- like dropping an L32 3.8L supercharged V6, coupled to an F40 six-speed tranny...
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quadibloc · « **Reply #103 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 14:06:24 »

Quote from: ch_123;191570

You don't do much programming in C, do you?

(in reference to the placement of the [{}] keys)

I've been thinking about that. There would be many alternate layouts, and programmability, and so the |\ key could be changed to a [] key easily enough. But that could not be the default, as one would not want a German keyboard to have a ü+ key or something like that.

Trying to do something more conventional, I can even put the normal cursor keys in, but at a cost:

washuai · « **Reply #104 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 14:44:54 »

Not a good cost to add those in. Keys on the other side of enter and up arrow are abominations. I'd rather have a single key sized shift key so there were two keys in front of the arrow, but that will doesn't solve the crtl key. Although, the only time I tend to use the right ctrl is one handed ctrl+alt+del. Goes to show I don't touch type my shortcuts correctly, but meh. Maybe I should swap my ctrls with my windows keys, but I'm used to the left ctrl.

Ligo board - I'm not feeling that second layer. As others have said - the right hand number pad is messed up and no arrows!

elbowglue · « **Reply #105 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 16:44:53 »

Quote from: clickclack;192032

The top view rendering is clearly lowpoly's. Or at least lowpoly had used it, but I thought he had rendered it. Sorry that the images are low res (my internet is particuarly fussy today) but the two images are identical even down to the compression artifact origins (even though the new one has been messed with a tad and further modified).

So Ligo not only ripped off lowpoly's idea, he ripped off his graphics and slapped his own text on it to represent his own second layer?

I'm sorry this is total bull****. I wonder if lowpoly contacted some manufacturer for his keyboard and they went on and pirated it to someone else (ligo?)

didjamatic · « **Reply #106 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 16:50:04 »

Quote from: kishy;192100

Fairly certain that's not a Fiero lol

It's a fake, those guys are getting good.

rantenki · « **Reply #107 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 22:56:54 »

Quote from: ironman31;191511

I'm more interested in the mini guru

+1, but the miniguru ain't around yet, so we have to entertain other options...

ligo · « **Reply #108 on:** Fri, 11 June 2010, 23:59:32 »

clickclack · « **Reply #109 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 00:14:39 »

Is it just me or did anyone else find that ^^^ post to be hilarious?

Brodie337 · « **Reply #110 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 00:19:26 »

I refuse to show any more interest until we get some solid details.

noctua · « **Reply #111 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 01:15:28 »

Yeah, he is a great guy.. sometimes it is cold [strike]among[/strike] between his ears.. (he hear badly)

Nonmouse · « **Reply #112 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 01:33:44 »

Quote from: noctua;192366

Yeah, he is a great guy.. sometimes it is cold among his ears..

o.O I don't think that translated very well from the German...

clickclack · « **Reply #113 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 02:08:11 »

Quote from: Nonmouse;192368

o.O I don't think that translated very well from the German...

ROFL!!!!
No fair you beat me to the punch! I was going to suggest that he get some earmuffs =P

haahaa

chimera15 · « **Reply #114 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 03:42:15 »

What's goin on in this thread? Ligo's just posting dream keyboards and not giving any details?

ricercar · « **Reply #115 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 03:48:45 »

He thought we all liked fantasy photos of marginally tangential images

No, it's LEGO, with an E.

chimera15 · « **Reply #116 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 03:52:30 »

Well that last series of photo looks friggen awesome. It's what I always wanted, a hhkb format with a function row, and blank black keys. If it has that viariable switch thing like he posted earlier, I'm sold whatever it is, assuming the prices don't reach the hhkb/realforce range. I assume you can get the caps with it in either cherry or alps? The rest is a kit or something? It's interesting, no cord...it's removable like the M or something?

Brodie337 · « **Reply #117 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 03:52:30 »

I think its completely unrealistic for us to expect him to post any details, looking at his previous posts, not one of them has contained a single word.

chimera15 · « **Reply #118 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 04:01:31 »

Quote from: Brodie337;192387

I think its completely unrealistic for us to expect him to post any details, looking at his previous posts, not one of them has contained a single word.

I noticed he's kinda been answering questions with photos. He might be embarassed to try to write english. I might be tempted to do the same thing on a Japanese or Chinese forum if I couldn't write well, but wanted to show off an awesome product.

chimera15 · « **Reply #119 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 04:04:31 »

Interesting the box has something to do with Philips? They made keyboards...

Philips SPT3700BC/27

chimera15 · « **Reply #120 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 04:17:39 »

http://www.iqmore.idv.tw/archives/80

Kbtalking keyboard I would guess... Now how to get one.

The kb may be talking but Ligo doesn't. roflol

Does this board support Chinese/Japanese?

挨拶

你好 !

You can copy and paste．．．．．．．at least...

http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/forum/6292

chimera15 · « **Reply #121 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 04:35:13 »

Tracked it down.. I should get a prize. Run the translators.

http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/23587

There were definitely references to lowpoly's board in the thread.

Ligo's in that thread too, but the original post was made by someone called saraymoh....

http://bbs.cool3c.com/article/23587

Translated:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://bbs.cool3c.com/article/23587&ei=1FYTTMqZOZTgnAe5y8SEDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://bbs.cool3c.com/article/23587%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DbtN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official

By the translation it looks like they're as clueless as us, and Ligo posted here asking us? lol They seem to think it's Lowpoly's board it looks like?

We need to ask Sara where she got the pics from?

This is an interesting thread on their forum. lol

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://www.cool3c.com/article/23610&ei=YloTTL2bMoiDngeX6NHyCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBsQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E7%2594%25B1Thomas543%2B%25E6%2596%25BC%25E4%25B8%2589,%2B2010/06/09%2B-%2B7:37am%2B%25E7%2599%25BC%25E8%25A1%25A8%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Dani%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official

This is one for you Ripster, found on their forum:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://imjustthatcool.blogspot.com/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://bbs.cool3c.com/article/23587%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DbtN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhh-1cCHleY_TejSyzowtXZLrGIDhg

Found the photobucket stream the photos came from on their forum:

http://s458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/pang0011/

? caps? cool

Ducky's cool!

Didn't know hhkb made a number pad, interesting.

pang0011 · « **Reply #122 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 05:11:34 »

Quote from: chimera15;192395

Tracked it down.. I should get a prize. Run the translators.

http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/23587

There were definitely references to lowpoly's board in the thread.

Ligo's in that thread too, but the original post was made by someone called saraymoh....

http://bbs.cool3c.com/article/23587

Translated:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://bbs.cool3c.com/article/23587&ei=1FYTTMqZOZTgnAe5y8SEDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://bbs.cool3c.com/article/23587%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DbtN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official

By the translation it looks like they're as clueless as us, and Ligo posted here asking us? lol They seem to think it's Lowpoly's board it looks like?

We need to ask Sara where she got the pics from?

This is an interesting thread on their forum. lol

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://www.cool3c.com/article/23610&ei=YloTTL2bMoiDngeX6NHyCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBsQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E7%2594%25B1Thomas543%2B%25E6%2596%25BC%25E4%25B8%2589,%2B2010/06/09%2B-%2B7:37am%2B%25E7%2599%25BC%25E8%25A1%25A8%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Dani%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official

This is one for you Ripster, found on their forum:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://imjustthatcool.blogspot.com/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://bbs.cool3c.com/article/23587%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DbtN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhh-1cCHleY_TejSyzowtXZLrGIDhg

saraymoh is me, I posted it on 8-Jun-10 on KBT,
a member ta497636 replied:
第一把我真的有想要預訂購, 真有 "The Miniguru Keyboard– Always on the Home Row : http://www.guru-board.com/ " 類似的視覺感受, 設計理念有明顯的相異ma

"I really want to buy the first small one (which is the “who” in this thread), it is a Miniguru look-alike but in fact it is a different design."

P.S. the pictures of this RF23U can also be found in keyboard pics of Geekhack : )

chimera15 · « **Reply #123 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 05:33:20 »

Quote from: pang0011;192401

saraymoh is me, I posted it on 8-Jun-10 on KBT,
a member ta497636 replied:
第一把我真的有想要預訂購, 真有 "The Miniguru Keyboard– Always on the Home Row : http://www.guru-board.com/ " 類似的視覺感受, 設計理念有明顯的相異ma

"I really want to buy the first small one (which is the “who” in this thread), it is a Miniguru look-alike but in fact it is a different design."

P.S. the pictures of this RF23U can also be found in keyboard pics of Geekhack : )

Ahh, the rf23u is the numberpad...but what's the one that Ligo's been posting? Oh you don't know either? Where did you get the pictures from? Ligo posted a lot more pics than I saw on your forum?

pang0011 · « **Reply #124 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 05:49:19 »

the pictures are from ligo's posts on Geekhack, but he has also posted them on some mainland China forums. I have no clue what this keyboard exactly is, but from one of his posts on mainland China, it is one of the new products in Computex Taipei 2010. I have tried searching its product catalog of keyboard but I couldn't find it.

chimera15 · « **Reply #125 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 05:51:09 »

Awesome, thanks so much. So Ligo is the one that they're originating with even on the China boards. Is he teasing the kbc people with them too? So it's not coming from the kbc people either?

pang0011 · « **Reply #126 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 06:35:05 »

I don't know ligo and can't speak for him, but I think Taiwanese keyboard manufacturers have been working very hard to reposition themselves, I can see that from their recent attempts, e.g. the i-rocks with Red Cherries, and this "who" ... etc.

This one is also a nice keyboard, mechanical switch with led (I guess), but indeed there are still rooms for improvement for its appearance

quadibloc · « **Reply #127 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 11:58:58 »

Quote from: DryDry;191936

this pic come from master ligo too~

Incidentally, when you (?) were referring to the "Wen Dream" keyboard (in one of the translated links provided in this thread), I suppose that was a completely different keyboard, and you haven't unravelled this mystery either?

washuai · « **Reply #128 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 14:27:31 »

That backlit keyboard needs to be tenkeyless or detachable tenkey. Given recent right hand issues, no more full boards for me, unless they're left handed with the ten key. Although, the 104 Filco, is only like 1 key too wide, so it isn't a big deal.

I guess the keyboard mysteries continue. I should really just start using chrome for this forum, so translation links go easier.

DryDry · « **Reply #129 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 19:34:22 »

Quote from: quadibloc;192442

Incidentally, when you (?) were referring to the "Wen Dream" keyboard (in one of the translated links provided in this thread), I suppose that was a completely different keyboard, and you haven't unravelled this mystery either?

the picture i have showed yesterday , and the kbd ligo have showed, are same one. i am sure above.
maybe that design was abondened.

DryDry · « **Reply #130 on:** Sat, 12 June 2010, 19:38:07 »

the "wen dream" kbd
in Chinese it is “文梦” WoW

noctua · « **Reply #131 on:** Mon, 14 June 2010, 03:24:33 »

Hmm, what is the conclusion for the moment, we better shouldn't present any future prototype's here?

quadibloc · « **Reply #132 on:** Mon, 14 June 2010, 03:43:08 »

Quote from: noctua;192921

Hmm, what is the conclusion for the moment, we better shouldn't present any future prototype's here?

We are happy to see information about possible new products.

But a teaser, where the prototype is shown with no real information - not even the name of the company responsible for the keyboard - is understandably considered annoying by some.

With no real commitment to anything, it undermines interest in real forthcoming products, specifically, in this case, the Miniguru. Some people might decide not to buy a Miniguru and wait for this - when, for all we know, it might be a mockup made by a prankster who has no intention of making any keyboards. That is conduct we don't want to encourage - or leave room for.

(For further understanding of the destructive effects of vaporware, one might note the role of the machine that became the IBM System 360/91 in the Control Data antitrust lawsuit against IBM.)

imsto · « **Reply #133 on:** Mon, 14 June 2010, 04:37:30 »

accept orders lol

isp · « **Reply #134 on:** Mon, 14 June 2010, 04:56:11 »

ehh
I like how it looks for the most part. Only thing that bothers me is how the rim just comes up to the midpoint and stops abruptly. Kind of looks like some caps just sitting in a bucket or something. Definitely something to keep an eye out for...still have my hopes up for the miniguru though

pikapika · « **Reply #135 on:** Wed, 16 June 2010, 05:28:23 »

Quote from: ripster;192453

"Wen Dream" Keyboard?

hmmmm wet dream

clickclack · « **Reply #136 on:** Wed, 16 June 2010, 05:35:09 »

Quote from: ripster;192602

This post is starting to make sense to me.

"looks like wood".... LOL!

J888www · « **Reply #137 on:** Wed, 16 June 2010, 11:23:30 »

I surmise Who is still in pre-production stage, like Miniguru and this this just a promotional research in its' demand. Why submit details to your competitors prior to production ? so no info.

Quote from: ta497636;191924

Can I type my word in Chinese here, and someone help me into English?

When in Lome, do what Lomans do, type Engrish.
Reminds me of the time when I was in Palis and was told to speak Flench.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #138 on:** Thu, 17 June 2010, 09:47:46 »

Quote from: J888www;193688

When in Lome, do what Lomans do, type Engrish.

I was posting on a Chinese BBS a while back (not about keyboards, other tech stuff) and I used Google Translate. I came back and was being roasted pretty mercilessly.

Luckily, the attention attracted a member who spoke Chinese and English, and they translated messages on my behalf, at which point I got quick and very friendly help from the other users.

pang0011 · « **Reply #139 on:** Thu, 17 June 2010, 10:55:13 »

Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;193985

I was posting on a Chinese BBS a while back (not about keyboards, other tech stuff) and I used Google Translate. I came back and was being roasted pretty mercilessly.

Luckily, the attention attracted a member who spoke Chinese and English, and they translated messages on my behalf, at which point I got quick and very friendly help from the other users.

skvian who is also a member of Geekhack has a little English Keyboard Discussion forum in Taiwan, you can either write English or Chinese there if like to ask anything about Asia's keyboard market. skvian is a savvy keyboard lover in Taiwan.

One of the geekhacker dropped a question there last year, wanna know who is that geekhacker and how skvian answered?

chimera15 · « **Reply #140 on:** Thu, 17 June 2010, 15:40:55 »

Quote from: pang0011;194000

skvian who is also a member of Geekhack has a little English Keyboard Discussion forum in Taiwan, you can either write English or Chinese there if like to ask anything about Asia's keyboard market. skvian is a savvy keyboard lover in Taiwan.

One of the geekhacker dropped a question there last year, wanna know who is that geekhacker and how skvian answered?

Interesting. I like the bit about keyboard squirrels. lol

noctua · « **Reply #141 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 06:50:24 »

congratulation, the villains has won.. miniguru is canceled :-(

ch_123 · « **Reply #142 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 06:57:34 »

What? Where did you get that from?

noctua · « **Reply #143 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 06:58:48 »

http://www.guru-board.com/blog

British · « **Reply #144 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 07:02:53 »

D'oh !

itlnstln · « **Reply #145 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 07:07:13 »

Not good. Not good at all. Sorry to hear that, Lowpoly.

noctua · « **Reply #146 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 07:10:41 »

What a coincidence! Fortunately ligo has posted his images punctual..

Rajagra · « **Reply #147 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 07:28:05 »

Damn.

itlnstln · « **Reply #148 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 07:32:57 »

That's a big-ass can of baked beans.

washuai · « **Reply #149 on:** Fri, 18 June 2010, 08:04:50 »

No miniguru, Realforce 87U is harder to obtain and even harder to get cherry reds. Dark days of keyboarding. :rain::rant:

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Author Topic: Who vs hhkb (Read 68137 times)