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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 11:31:58 »
I guess from Korea..., a top notch one, bookmarked already.

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 11:39:25 »
Very nice looking keyboard there.  Details on layers?  Arrow keys?
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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 11:43:00 »
I feel like that ESC key is some kind of Rorschach test.  Is it a flame, is it a squirrel, etc.  Board details, please.

Saw other thread - ok, it is a squirrel.
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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 11:53:16 »
For a moment I thought I was seeing a MiniGuru. Oh well, the more there are like this the better.

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 13:18:05 »
it is the king kbd      lol
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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 13:51:23 »
Looks a lot like the miniguru minus the trackpoint.  

I wonder where the ~` key is?

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 15:05:30 »
I miss my DIP switches...

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 16:01:24 »
Nope, no one is allowed to call me a tease anymore! I atleast give a description to the photos =P

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I think it's a bead foam booger

I dig the backspace key. I think it would be a riot if it was a rubber dome on membrane keyboard! It is miniguruesque, so that is a good thing. The miniguru is a great design, so anything similar deserves a second glance I think.

If only one key is going to have an marking or image though It would be nice it if was...
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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 16:52:17 »
my interest is piqued...
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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 21:44:23 »
mostly made in Taiwan
see the red esc key
a symbol of KBtalking
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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 22:28:37 »
Quote from: ripster;189228
KBTalking?
Yes, just as there's a Geekhack key, that key definitely has their squirrel on it. However, not understanding Chinese, I was unable to navigate the site effectively enough to find the keyboard on it.

In fact, on this page, you can see a blue KBTalking key.

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 03 June 2010, 23:20:39 »
A squirrel is like a geekhacker
they will buy a lot of keyboard, store them but never sell like a quirrel storing pine cone.
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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 01:26:21 »
i am sure it is not a kbtalking kbd
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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 02:02:24 »
Quote from: DryDry;189470
i am sure it is not a kbtalking kbd
But the photo of the keyboard might have been taken by a kbtalking member, who put his red kbtalking key on it.

No doubt it is made by some company somewhere, not by the discussion forum. I was looking around the kbtalking site to see if that keyboard might have been mentioned there before we heard about the keyboard here.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 04:04:15 »
Compare the angles of the bottom case with the miniguru:



Uncomfortably close, don't you think?

Following the same design philosophy: good. Blatant copying: bad.

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 06:09:46 »
It would not be a KBtalking
the third generation KBtalking will be rubber.
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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 07:05:55 »
Quote from: clickclack;189305
Nope, no one is allowed to call me a tease anymore!

You tease.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 09:53:11 »
Quote from: Rajagra;189484
Compare the angles of the bottom case with the miniguru:

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Uncomfortably close, don't you think?

Following the same design philosophy: good. Blatant copying: bad.


I second you, copy is a short term gain but long term loss.
 
I am very interested in the marketing strategy of this keyboard.  Given the HHKB pro for the high end and HHKB lite for the mainstream of the current professional-small-form-factor keyboard market, how do they position this keyboard to differentiate it from the others?  Price may not be the major consideration for this segment where many customers are professionals or enthusiasts.

But I am sure the gentlemen behind should have already had enough considerations about these before the production one is finally released : )

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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 10:28:35 »
Quote from: Rajagra;189484
Compare the angles of the bottom case with the miniguru:

Uncomfortably close, don't you think?

Following the same design philosophy: good. Blatant copying: bad.


I don't think so. By that logic any mini keyboard with an angled bottom case will be copying the mini-guru. And we haven't even seen all sides of the bottom of this new keyboard yet. An angled-sided bottom is rare on keyboards but pretty common for laptop computers. From a design standpoint it's an obvious way to do it.

Now assume miniguru has a design patent for its case. The mystery item is safe even if all bottom angles are the same, because its sides wrap around the keys while the mini guru's sides are invisible from the top.

I'm glad there's a new choice and I hope it will motivate lowpoly to finally make the miniguru into a real product :)

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 10:44:30 »
I have no complaint about my HHKBs, but I will be very happy to see a cheaper version too.  On the other hand I have also been waiting for the ENG HHKB pro with arrow keys.  So, let's wait and see what will happen in this summer eventually : )

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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 10:49:14 »
Quote from: phoenix;189539
I don't think so. By that logic any mini keyboard with an angled bottom case will be copying the mini-guru. And we haven't even seen all sides of the bottom of this new keyboard yet. An angled-sided bottom is rare on keyboards but pretty common for laptop computers. From a design standpoint it's an obvious way to do it.

Now assume miniguru has a design patent for its case. The mystery item is safe even if all bottom angles are the same, because its sides wrap around the keys while the mini guru's sides are invisible from the top.

I'm glad there's a new choice and I hope it will motivate lowpoly to finally make the miniguru into a real product :)


Hi Phoenix, glad to see you again, how is your Model F AT?  I really wish I could have one too, but I know it is not easy.

I think the gentelman (or called bad apple in English? pls forgive my poor English) behind really should go out and say something now...
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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 11:12:30 »
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Hi Phoenix, glad to see you again, how is your Model F AT?  I really wish I could have one too, but I know it is not easy.

I think the gentelman behind really should go out and say something now...

My Model F AT is sadly used very little because I use dedicated arrow keys too much. The local store I got mine from has a pile of XTs and Model Ms but no more ATs. The XT adapters might become available again soon if you have been watching the other threads. XTs still cost less than $20 on ebay.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 11:19:53 »
I'll try to look for the AT converter on Taobao and in HK's recycle shops, and keep you updated : )

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 04 June 2010, 16:37:41 »
Quote from: Rajagra;189484
Uncomfortably close, don't you think?
I didn't get that perception. It seemed to me from the provided photos that, instead, this keyboard was not angled on the bottom, but flat on the bottom, and it had a small angled area that was the same size all around.

So if you wanted it to be sloped, I suppose it has little feet on it like many ordinary keyboards. So, at least in that one respect, it didn't copy the Miniguru. Although it definitely does copy it in layout.

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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 05 June 2010, 13:48:28 »
made in taiwan. i know

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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 05 June 2010, 15:32:12 »
Quote from: phoenix;189553
My Model F AT is sadly used very little because I use dedicated arrow keys too much.

I use arrow keys on my Model F all the time.  I have the numpad set to be exclusively for arrow keys and navigation.

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 05 June 2010, 16:15:47 »
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I use arrow keys on my Model F all the time.  I have the numpad set to be exclusively for arrow keys and navigation.


I once said something similar to Maxlugar and here I was, complaining about the lack of arrow keys...

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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 05 June 2010, 21:13:01 »
Quote from: phoenix;189553
My Model F AT is sadly used very little because I use dedicated arrow keys too much. The local store I got mine from has a pile of XTs and Model Ms but no more ATs. The XT adapters might become available again soon if you have been watching the other threads. XTs still cost less than $20 on ebay.

Edit: I just checked the Taobao seller who once had Model F ATs. He's not selling any now but there are some other interesting items.
$30 Model F XT for portable computer: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=3782006509
$30 Black M13: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=2515089147
$35 Model M Mini (Two!): http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=3459409143

Edit2: I'd better stay on topic in this thread. Let's take this somewhere else.


If you find another AT please let me know, I can pay via PayPal plus a high tea in Peninsula hotel ; )

For the "Who vs hhkb" keyboard, there is a little chance that it will be unveiled in COMPUTEX Taipei if it is a Taiwan product, but maybe not.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 06 June 2010, 07:19:15 »
Your brilliant mind fits : )  But anyway, do remember to show the concierge your senior membership card or simply a Geekhack key next time, no tuxedo will be needed.

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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 07 June 2010, 15:16:37 »
Lame keyboard picture marketing troll.  When is this guy going to stop this nonsense?
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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 07 June 2010, 23:40:02 »
My curiosity is growing...
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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 07 June 2010, 23:53:34 »
That pcb looks like it will take either cherries or alps.
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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 00:20:33 »
Deffo cherries, from the positioning of the connections and locating pins.

Also, using mx1a-??NW, since there are locating pins, so not a metal plate bezel to locate the keys. No real opinion of if this is good or not.

What _is_ good is the diodes on each key. Good rollover characteristics are likely. Also, 3 position dip switch socket in the middle, on the back :D

OTOH, some of those diodes are tombstoning like CRAZY. Manual solder job? Badly done. Hopefully a proper reflow solder will overcome this in production.
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« Reply #35 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 00:32:30 »
The 2 unpopulated holes at the bottom of [strike]each switch[/strike] some switches do look consistent with Alps-type switches.

I wonder if this version of the PCB actually has a trace layer running to them?

This is actually a keyboard I'd be interested in, minimalistic or otherwise. Topre doesn't sound like my cup of tea, but fake clicky Cherries does...

If they're the same as what's in the Qtronix serial numpad, they're probably quite wobbly though.
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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 01:52:25 »
I love the marketing on this.  Here's this product, no product details, no company details.  We (a few of us, at least) are interested and we're left here hanging about how to get one.

None of this features and benefits list - stuff like - it's really quiet with really low key travel, and smaller keys (just kidding)!  Just teasing.  By the time we find out any details we'll have already talked ourselves into getting one.  I love it.  Who ever has leaked this has done the company a favour.  

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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 04:55:40 »
Isn't that the same font Das uses on their keyboards?
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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 04:57:17 »
Yeah just like the others have said it certainly looks like the pcb is made for cherry switches are clones. I don't see the holes having anything to do with ALPS, they just look like they would be for diodes, especially since not all of them have em. I did however notice the LED holes for caps lock.

This would be a riot if it turns out to be another revision of Lowpoly's board, haahaa =P

I don't see any tombstoning in the pic btw, the joints look fine to me. I have seen tighter but this is in now way bad looking. Ahem... M10....
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As far as the marketing goes... well we will just have to see what it ends up being as I would imagine that could sway our opinions. It is just a tease though, almost on the verge of bragging for the sake of reaction. "Who" knows though, maybe without any descriptions it will start to seem shady and turn people off.

I think it looks cool, maybe it was made by a hobbyist with deep pockets =D
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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 10:08:47 »
Ah. Now it's been revealed that one can get one with legends on the keys. And that the right-hand Windows key on the regular layout has been changed to a function key. This is an improvement, for people who use the Windows key often, from the Miniguru layout, which uses both Windows keys as function keys.

However, because the Windows key is a shift key, and hypothetically software might treat the left and right Windows keys differently (although that isn't much of a danger, since Microsoft itself is now making keyboards with one Windows key) it would actually be better to use the Windows Menu key as the Fn key, making the Windows Menu key reachable in a shifted fashion.

Given that we know from discussions with the MiniGuru's creator that the MiniGuru will be completely programmable, though, I'm still inclined to hold out for one of those.

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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 10:17:13 »
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Isn't that the same font Das uses on their keyboards?
Good catch. Indeed the keys like Caps Lock are labelled in caps and small caps instead of upper and lower case - and the letters are squared. So at least for this prototype, they used keys from a Das Keyboard, I suspect (rather than the keyboard actually being a Das product)... with legends in Bank Gothic.

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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 11:27:48 »
I wouldn't compare it to my HHKB, it is peerless, but I would like to make a suggestion.  If DIP switch is really not being considered, offering PBT and 2-shot keycaps versions would be a simple but effective way to win the hearts of keyboard lovers.

I think you could have nothing to be proud of even at this point, what is the competitive advantage of this keyboard in its segment? Only price?

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« Reply #42 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 11:33:44 »
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I think you could have nothing to be proud of even at this point, what is the competitive advantage of this keyboard in its segment? Only price?

A low price could win the heart of this keyboard lover.

Shipping, however, could kill the romance.
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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 11:50:24 »
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I wouldn't compare it to my HHKB, it is peerless


You got screwed, bro.

Fujitsu used Topre switches in mine.


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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 12:28:03 »
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fujitsu used topre switches in mine.
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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 14:20:59 »
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I'm not that terribly happy with the FCN key location.


I believe there is only one non-retarded way to put a Fn key on a normal physical layout board where you need Fn to access arrow keys. You need it to be easily reachable in normal use, and you need it close to Ctrl, Shift and Alt so you can do combos easily with one hand. Since people are used to hitting arrow keys with the right hand, the modifiers should be pressed with the left hand. This leads to this:



Fn key easily reachable with the left thumb for simple things. IMO Fn becomes more important than Alt on boards where you need it to generate keys that are not physically present, so Alt gets bumped out of the prime location.

This is how I remap my layout to work with AutoHotkey scripts. It works great. The fact that many people hate the left Windows key makes losing that a bonus.

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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 15:20:58 »
All this discussion has given me further inspiration in the direction of coming up with my own idea of what an ideal keyboard should be!



Allowing one extra column of keys to the left of the keyboard as well as an extra row on the top, one has a tenkeyless keyboard that is easy to understand, with the Fn key only required for the actual function keys and for Pause/Break (which could be Fn-Esc)... providing the compactness of an HHKB-like keyboard "for the rest of us". I realize, though, that by going for my own ideal of an Enter key, instead of sticking with the standard arrangement, I may be asking too much of people.

I've made some small changes to the keyboard since its initial form. First, I shortened the Caps Lock and Shift keys, and then exchanged Caps Lock with the left Windows Shift key, to make the left Fn and Windows Shift keys more reachable, as well as dealing with the problem of hitting the Caps Lock key accidentally.

Then I decided to get rid of Scroll Lock, and bring in Pause/Break, since that key is more useful than the seldom used Scroll Lock. Since Fn-Num Lock is now F8 given its position, I suppose Fn-Esc or Fn-Pause would be used for Scroll Lock; it wouldn't be possible to copy the IBM tenkeyless precedent.
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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 08 June 2010, 23:41:01 »
Quote from: clickclack;190855

I don't see any tombstoning in the pic btw, the joints look fine to me. I have seen tighter but this is in now way bad looking. Ahem... M10....
=P

Tombstoning evidence follows ;)



That ain't just misalignment, those are standing right up. The one in the circle on the top left may not even be connected.

Nothing too hard to fix in production; just find a new board stuffer.

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« Reply #48 on: Wed, 09 June 2010, 02:32:55 »
Good eye buddy! I guess I should have looked more closely, indeed on closer inspection a number of them are a bit askew.
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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 09 June 2010, 20:21:22 »
how many people are intrested in it?
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