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Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« on: Sun, 01 September 2019, 13:12:01 »
I left the scene awhile ago and would revisit it here and there but holy cow. This industry BLEW UP, eh? The amount of artisan selections now with companies like Hot Keys etc. is INSANE. I see a ton of YT channels talking about customizing keyboards, channels I would never think talking about Ducky and mechanical switches.

Really well done everyone. It's so nice to see it go mainstream and now the options are ENDLESS!!
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Re: Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 01 September 2019, 13:30:34 »
I left the scene awhile ago and would revisit it here and there but holy cow. This industry BLEW UP, eh? The amount of artisan selections now with companies like Hot Keys etc. is INSANE. I see a ton of YT channels talking about customizing keyboards, channels I would never think talking about Ducky and mechanical switches.

Really well done everyone. It's so nice to see it go mainstream and now the options are ENDLESS!!

It really is a good time to be in the hobby.  The cool thing is I no longer have that fear on missing out!  There's always a great set coming up around the corner.  There's often extras available from vendors.  I don't have to buy something that's "kinda" like what I want, b/c I can wait and get something that is the perfect match for my tastes.   :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 01 September 2019, 13:58:06 »
I left the scene awhile ago and would revisit it here and there but holy cow. This industry BLEW UP, eh? The amount of artisan selections now with companies like Hot Keys etc. is INSANE. I see a ton of YT channels talking about customizing keyboards, channels I would never think talking about Ducky and mechanical switches.

Really well done everyone. It's so nice to see it go mainstream and now the options are ENDLESS!!

I'm in the same boat -- just came back from ~1.5 years off. I'm blow away -- even in that short amount of time everything has grown and changed and improved. That said, everything has also gotten more expensive...

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 01 September 2019, 20:56:33 »
I left the scene awhile ago and would revisit it here and there but holy cow. This industry BLEW UP, eh? The amount of artisan selections now with companies like Hot Keys etc. is INSANE. I see a ton of YT channels talking about customizing keyboards, channels I would never think talking about Ducky and mechanical switches.

Really well done everyone. It's so nice to see it go mainstream and now the options are ENDLESS!!

It really is a good time to be in the hobby.  The cool thing is I no longer have that fear on missing out!  There's always a great set coming up around the corner.  There's often extras available from vendors.  I don't have to buy something that's "kinda" like what I want, b/c I can wait and get something that is the perfect match for my tastes.   :thumb: :thumb:

Exactly how I feel. I just dropped a quick $100 on some caps that will have me set for months whereas I would pick up something I was 50/50 on. Don't regret it though. My orange clack and my red BBv2 to name a few are probably worth a pretty penny now. I'd never sell them of course as they remind me of being involved when this all started.

Still super nice to see how much it's grown. Can't wait to tell some boomer stories haha.



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Re: Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 01 September 2019, 22:09:12 »
Sometimes I think there is too much choice these days - too many manufacturers to keep track of.

But the creativity in the hobby is really flourishing, both in those making things and those deploying the products.

It's starting to feel a bit less weird having a keyboard collection and being able to talk about switches for an hour.
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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 01 September 2019, 22:49:53 »
Count me in on this boat. Always owned a mechanical keyboard since the ol' Filco-as-the-only-mainstream-mech-board days, but I wasn't really tuned in. Just got back into it a couple of months back, and I've just discovered GMK/SA keycaps and custom boards. Also all those youtube channels and twitch streams.

There is a part of me that hopes this doesn't get TOO mainstream, so I can feel a bit special, at the same time, the more mainstream means lower prices/better availability for everybody. I think KBDfan's Polaris' popularity is a sign of things to come.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 02 September 2019, 00:08:28 »
Count me in on this boat. Always owned a mechanical keyboard since the ol' Filco-as-the-only-mainstream-mech-board days, but I wasn't really tuned in. Just got back into it a couple of months back, and I've just discovered GMK/SA keycaps and custom boards. Also all those youtube channels and twitch streams.

There is a part of me that hopes this doesn't get TOO mainstream, so I can feel a bit special, at the same time, the more mainstream means lower prices/better availability for everybody. I think KBDfan's Polaris' popularity is a sign of things to come.

It's definitely not mainstream though.  I mean, 8008 just celebrated for selling 1200 base sets.  How many people are there in the world? 7 billion?  Yeah, I don't think we're mainstream yet.

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Re: Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 02 September 2019, 00:39:27 »
60% keyboards: the last interesting thing is the PCB made from gh

Tkl: still no standard, cases and PCBs are mostly incompatible; you spend 500 bucks for a keyboard, and if you **** a soldering joint you can throw it all away

100% keyboards: I like them but nobody wants them

Gmk keycaps: infinite variations of ugly colours. Greediness of GB leaders sees no limits, they are just here for the money. Massdrop on the other end offered a nice and complete gmk wob for only 99 USD.

The only innovations that I see? The Chinese innovate.  There are some new companies that do all the work. For example kbdfans.
Gmmk keyboards are also very good and fairly priced. Uh, and cherry switches are now smooth.

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Re: Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 02 September 2019, 01:01:05 »
It's definitely not mainstream though.  I mean, 8008 just celebrated for selling 1200 base sets.  How many people are there in the world? 7 billion?  Yeah, I don't think we're mainstream yet.

Not sure what exactly you're referring to by the "it's not mainstream", but I never said anything was definitively mainstream. Just that custom keycaps/keyboards might get there.

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Re: Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 02 September 2019, 13:10:48 »
Count me in on this boat. Always owned a mechanical keyboard since the ol' Filco-as-the-only-mainstream-mech-board days, but I wasn't really tuned in. Just got back into it a couple of months back, and I've just discovered GMK/SA keycaps and custom boards. Also all those youtube channels and twitch streams.

There is a part of me that hopes this doesn't get TOO mainstream, so I can feel a bit special, at the same time, the more mainstream means lower prices/better availability for everybody. I think KBDfan's Polaris' popularity is a sign of things to come.

It's definitely not mainstream though.  I mean, 8008 just celebrated for selling 1200 base sets.  How many people are there in the world? 7 billion?  Yeah, I don't think we're mainstream yet.

That assessment just proves that GMK 8008 isn't mainstream. The number of people buying 8008 doesn't represent this hobby/industry as a whole. I didn't buy in -- not everyone buys every keyset.

The metric you should be looking at is how many individuals own a mechanical keyboard and have put some thought / effort into customizing. I would even say the Dota players who 3D print a single esc key for the rgb gaming board are counted towards this hobby.

Obviously don't have the metrics to back it up, but I'd venture to say the number's a lot higher than 1200...

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 02 September 2019, 13:25:20 »
If it's for sale at Best Buy or there's youtube videos targeted towards kids so they can make their ducky keyboard look just like their favorite streamer's keyboard then it's pretty mainstream at this point.  10 years ago I wouldn't even bother to explain to someone why I prefer a Model M or paid over 100 dollars for a keyboard.  Now most people at least know that there are more choices than just whatever came with your PC.
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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 02 September 2019, 14:32:32 »
There are a lot more budget-friendly options today vs three years ago. I remember if you wanted a case that looked like a Duck Poker or FMJ you had to pay at least $400.00. Today you can get one for $120.00.

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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 02 September 2019, 14:35:22 »
I guess we disagree about what ďmainstreamĒ means.  PCs arenít even a mainstream product in my eyes and havenít been for more than a few years now.

I suppose teens and young adults who watch advertisements YouTube in their spare time know about computerz and gamez and RGB lightz and ducky keyboardz
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Re: Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 03 September 2019, 12:02:12 »
I left the scene awhile ago and would revisit it here and there but holy cow. This industry BLEW UP, eh? The amount of artisan selections now with companies like Hot Keys etc. is INSANE. I see a ton of YT channels talking about customizing keyboards, channels I would never think talking about Ducky and mechanical switches.

Really well done everyone. It's so nice to see it go mainstream and now the options are ENDLESS!!

Wait, are mechanical keyboards starting to become a fad, or becoming mainstream? AAH!

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 03 September 2019, 12:03:57 »
If it's for sale at Best Buy or there's youtube videos targeted towards kids so they can make their ducky keyboard look just like their favorite streamer's keyboard then it's pretty mainstream at this point.  10 years ago I wouldn't even bother to explain to someone why I prefer a Model M or paid over 100 dollars for a keyboard.  Now most people at least know that there are more choices than just whatever came with your PC.

The only options in my area are Cherry MX and razer. Kids and mechanical keyboards do not mix.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 03 September 2019, 13:38:29 »
I think a big piece of it is that the tools for building creative work in this space have gotten much more accessible.  KLE in particular provides a very easy entry point, and there are now plugins to automate renders, PCB specs, et cetera.

It does mean that creative work outside the KLE-supported (or automatically rendered) space may need a bit more help to get noticed; it's hard to be seen above the crowd.

Disclaimer: I'm a relative newcomer to this hobby.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 10:29:17 »
I'm still the first to make a YouTube review of a mechanical keyboard. Change my mind! lol (HHKS Type S Review)

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 11:07:07 »
I'm still the first to make a YouTube review of a mechanical keyboard. Change my mind! lol (HHKS Type S Review)

God, time flies by so unfairly fast.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 11:40:07 »
I'm still the first to make a YouTube review of a mechanical keyboard. Change my mind! lol (HHKS Type S Review)

God, time flies by so unfairly fast.

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 11:54:48 »
There are a lot more budget-friendly options today vs three years ago. I remember if you wanted a case that looked like a Duck Poker or FMJ you had to pay at least $400.00. Today you can get one for $120.00.

And on the other end of the spectrum, boards are going for 2k... *grumble grumble* something about empty wallet *grumble grumble*

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 12:21:55 »
I'm with you guys. Been out of the hobby for a little while. I come back and now you can get custom plates really easily. People are going for 1/2 plates. I have to learn all about gaskets. There's a lot that's different..

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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 12:42:47 »
There are a lot more budget-friendly options today vs three years ago. I remember if you wanted a case that looked like a Duck Poker or FMJ you had to pay at least $400.00. Today you can get one for $120.00.

And on the other end of the spectrum, boards are going for 2k... *grumble grumble* something about empty wallet *grumble grumble*

Seems like it has always been like that. There were a lot less going for that than now. Now there are about 3-5+ boards at all time going for that much.

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 08 September 2019, 22:02:32 »
Won't be mainstream until the big manufacturers (Dell, HP, IBM) sell PCs with mechanical keyboards as default, or as an affordable addon.

Or if Apple starts selling mechanical keyboards instead of scissor-switched monstrosities.
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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 09 September 2019, 21:23:03 »
I'm with you guys. Been out of the hobby for a little while. I come back and now you can get custom plates really easily. People are going for 1/2 plates. I have to learn all about gaskets. There's a lot that's different..

What are these gaskets you speak of?!
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 10 September 2019, 07:20:20 »
I'm with you guys. Been out of the hobby for a little while. I come back and now you can get custom plates really easily. People are going for 1/2 plates. I have to learn all about gaskets. There's a lot that's different..

What are these gaskets you speak of?!


Gasket mounted plates. I guess it's become a big thing now. They sound good, from what people say. Everyone talks about sound these days. I haven't tried one myself.

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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 10 September 2019, 10:22:09 »
I'm with you guys. Been out of the hobby for a little while. I come back and now you can get custom plates really easily. People are going for 1/2 plates. I have to learn all about gaskets. There's a lot that's different..

What are these gaskets you speak of?!

Further dampening with custom cut gaskets for the kits.  It is kind of snake oil to say it makes the structure more sound, but it does dampen sounds, looks premium, and changes the feel slightly if the tolerances inside the keyboard are a bit loose.  With so many machined parts a standard gasket to fill the space to be a bit more uniform can be nice.
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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 10 September 2019, 11:42:38 »
What a time to be alive.  :cool:


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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 10 September 2019, 18:34:47 »
I left the scene awhile ago and would revisit it here and there but holy cow. This industry BLEW UP, eh? The amount of artisan selections now with companies like Hot Keys etc. is INSANE. I see a ton of YT channels talking about customizing keyboards, channels I would never think talking about Ducky and mechanical switches.

Really well done everyone. It's so nice to see it go mainstream and now the options are ENDLESS!!

It really is a good time to be in the hobby.  The cool thing is I no longer have that fear on missing out!  There's always a great set coming up around the corner.  There's often extras available from vendors.  I don't have to buy something that's "kinda" like what I want, b/c I can wait and get something that is the perfect match for my tastes.   :thumb: :thumb:
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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 11 September 2019, 15:55:04 »
A lot of influencers are bringing a lot of newer people to the hobby, I think the keyboard hobby in general is great, and I honestly do not mind more people. Starting to feel like living in a city instead of a village.
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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 11 September 2019, 15:56:38 »
A lot of influencers are bringing a lot of newer people to the hobby

Never though I'd see the day when there were keyboard influencers :) feelsgoodman

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 15 September 2019, 10:35:43 »
So I just got some of the keys I ordered from Hot Keys in. Holy... cow. The quality of these artisans has really become something else eh? Removable gas masks, colors that change under light, sharp and detailed edges...

I am truly blown away. I mean, I still love my Clack and BBv2 but damn, I didn't think there could be such an improvement.
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Re: Holy.. This Industry Blew Up, Eh?
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 15 September 2019, 11:30:28 »
Soldering is/was also a big barrier to entry. 

I think we might have seen an uptick around the time we got more hot-swap custom boards.  IMO that also encourages more sales of switches.