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Offline NitPik

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly [EVERY KIT WILL BE MADE] Placing order to GMK
« Reply #150 on: Thu, 02 January 2020, 07:46:00 »
damn. gb's always make me so nervous because of the communication gaps from manufacturers. im sure its fine, i just like to know everything thats going on lol

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« Reply #151 on: Thu, 02 January 2020, 07:47:28 »
You and me both! :D

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« Reply #152 on: Fri, 03 January 2020, 08:53:54 »
I'm boutta drive over there and tell them Emir sent me to collect your part of the deal!  :'(
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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly [EVERY KIT WILL BE MADE] Placing order to GMK
« Reply #153 on: Tue, 14 January 2020, 18:21:26 »
Samples are supposed to be sent directly to me from gmk this week, here's to hoping! :) will let you know.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly [EVERY KIT WILL BE MADE] Placing order to GMK
« Reply #154 on: Mon, 20 January 2020, 13:04:45 »
still nothing eh?

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« Reply #155 on: Mon, 20 January 2020, 14:09:29 »
still nothing eh?
I'm sure he'll let you know when there's something worth sharing. No point in bumping like this really.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly [EVERY KIT WILL BE MADE] Placing order to GMK
« Reply #156 on: Mon, 20 January 2020, 15:12:36 »
still nothing eh?

My discord has some more updates, but nothing noteworthy so I didn't post here.

Samples arrived, but at least two colors need to be remade. Base and peach. I will share the difficulties I am facing soon when I'm at a pc!

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly [EVERY KIT WILL BE MADE] Placing order to GMK
« Reply #157 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 10:11:29 »
Alright, so here's what we're facing.

Timeline:
- During the IC, I ordered RAL samples well in advance to make sure they're with me before GB starts to make sure everything is OK. Unfortunately, they were on a "back order", which means they place an order with their supplier after the customer places the order, and it took a long time to get to me. Essentially, the GB was starting when I had them in hand, so it was too late for me to change the renders. I could've cancelled the GB and postponed, but I liked the date as it wasn't dracula territory etc.
- The RALs don't look like I expected them to, none of the 4. This makes it difficult for me to ask GMK to colormatch, as I have nothing physical to present them in terms of what I want.
- I receive the first samples, and they're matched the RALs damn near perfectly - which doesn't help us, as the RALs are not what we want.

The main gripe I got is with RAL 5011, it is simply too dark. In bright sunlight it does resemble what we are after, but in normal indoors lighting it is very dark, near black. Basically, imagine GMK Phantom base purple, that's what's happening with that color. The other colors are passable, but I still want to change the peach too, to a more saturated peach. The light blue and purple complement each other well, while not being exact matches to the expected color. For now I am keeping the lighter blue and purple, they are good colors and close.

We are working with GMK now to sort out how we can move forward with the sampling process in the best way. I am committed and dedicated to delivering a set which is to my expectation, even though the situation to do so isn't the best.

I don't want to compromise for my own sake, but first and foremost I don't want to let anyone else down either. This means it might take a little while to get the colors down, but we will get there one way or another.

Basically a rookie mistake not having RALs in hand (even prior to IC, let alone GB).  Take notes and learn from my mistake, upcoming designers.
The next set I launch will have cleared color samples before I even post an IC.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #158 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 10:23:29 »
Thank you for the update. Appreciate you taking the time to get the colors right; much better to be a little upset that it took a touch longer than expected to get the set, than to be overwhelmingly upset that the set isn’t what you expected at all. Keep up the good work and look forward to receiving the final product.

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« Reply #159 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 13:24:28 »
Thanks for updating us. I 100% prefer eventually getting an accurate set than getting an inaccurate set sooner.
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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #160 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 15:30:30 »
Your honesty is always admirable, Emir! Hope everything moves forward smoothly  :thumb:

Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #161 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 19:13:02 »
I'd sorta figured you wanted the base color to be as dark a blue as GMK Phantom (or future funk in a coupla days) is for purple. I have Phantom here and like it but it really means you've gotta have a bright room to enjoy it. might have to cop an extra...

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly [EVERY KIT WILL BE MADE] Placing order to GMK
« Reply #162 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 21:47:57 »
Alright, so here's what we're facing.

Timeline:
- During the IC, I ordered RAL samples well in advance to make sure they're with me before GB starts to make sure everything is OK. Unfortunately, they were on a "back order", which means they place an order with their supplier after the customer places the order, and it took a long time to get to me. Essentially, the GB was starting when I had them in hand, so it was too late for me to change the renders. I could've cancelled the GB and postponed, but I liked the date as it wasn't dracula territory etc.
- The RALs don't look like I expected them to, none of the 4. This makes it difficult for me to ask GMK to colormatch, as I have nothing physical to present them in terms of what I want.
- I receive the first samples, and they're matched the RALs damn near perfectly - which doesn't help us, as the RALs are not what we want.

The main gripe I got is with RAL 5011, it is simply too dark. In bright sunlight it does resemble what we are after, but in normal indoors lighting it is very dark, near black. Basically, imagine GMK Phantom base purple, that's what's happening with that color. The other colors are passable, but I still want to change the peach too, to a more saturated peach. The light blue and purple complement each other well, while not being exact matches to the expected color. For now I am keeping the lighter blue and purple, they are good colors and close.

We are working with GMK now to sort out how we can move forward with the sampling process in the best way. I am committed and dedicated to delivering a set which is to my expectation, even though the situation to do so isn't the best.

I don't want to compromise for my own sake, but first and foremost I don't want to let anyone else down either. This means it might take a little while to get the colors down, but we will get there one way or another.

Basically a rookie mistake not having RALs in hand (even prior to IC, let alone GB).  Take notes and learn from my mistake, upcoming designers.
The next set I launch will have cleared color samples before I even post an IC.

I'm sorry, I'm just a little confused. Were you unable to use a RAL book to accurately judge the colors you had chosen beforehand? I always assumed GMK samples are used to make sure they (GMK) manufacture the caps to spec, not for the designer to decide they actually like that color. If I understand you correctly, the timeline for the GB now no longer exists and will remain in the air until you are able to figure out what colors you actually intended to use all along?
I just realized how to put stuff here.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly [EVERY KIT WILL BE MADE] Placing order to GMK
« Reply #163 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 23:53:27 »
Alright, so here's what we're facing.

Timeline:
- During the IC, I ordered RAL samples well in advance to make sure they're with me before GB starts to make sure everything is OK. Unfortunately, they were on a "back order", which means they place an order with their supplier after the customer places the order, and it took a long time to get to me. Essentially, the GB was starting when I had them in hand, so it was too late for me to change the renders. I could've cancelled the GB and postponed, but I liked the date as it wasn't dracula territory etc.
- The RALs don't look like I expected them to, none of the 4. This makes it difficult for me to ask GMK to colormatch, as I have nothing physical to present them in terms of what I want.
- I receive the first samples, and they're matched the RALs damn near perfectly - which doesn't help us, as the RALs are not what we want.

The main gripe I got is with RAL 5011, it is simply too dark. In bright sunlight it does resemble what we are after, but in normal indoors lighting it is very dark, near black. Basically, imagine GMK Phantom base purple, that's what's happening with that color. The other colors are passable, but I still want to change the peach too, to a more saturated peach. The light blue and purple complement each other well, while not being exact matches to the expected color. For now I am keeping the lighter blue and purple, they are good colors and close.

We are working with GMK now to sort out how we can move forward with the sampling process in the best way. I am committed and dedicated to delivering a set which is to my expectation, even though the situation to do so isn't the best.

I don't want to compromise for my own sake, but first and foremost I don't want to let anyone else down either. This means it might take a little while to get the colors down, but we will get there one way or another.

Basically a rookie mistake not having RALs in hand (even prior to IC, let alone GB).  Take notes and learn from my mistake, upcoming designers.
The next set I launch will have cleared color samples before I even post an IC.

I'm sorry, I'm just a little confused. Were you unable to use a RAL book to accurately judge the colors you had chosen beforehand? I always assumed GMK samples are used to make sure they (GMK) manufacture the caps to spec, not for the designer to decide they actually like that color. If I understand you correctly, the timeline for the GB now no longer exists and will remain in the air until you are able to figure out what colors you actually intended to use all along?

No you misunderstood me, sorry if I wasn't clear with the time line. To summarize, the colors were 'scouted' using hex representations online. Once I found rals online that I liked, I ordered them specifically to make sure they look like I want them to look in real life. This was well before gb, but they didn't reach me until gb was starting. Once I got them in hand, they looked nothing like what I expected them to - or well, the ral representation on the front page.

At this point, there were renders that I liked and the feedback was based on those set colors. So, even if I had the rals, I likely wouldn't have changed them anyway. There's no RAL that is closer, as I ordered multiple shades of each color to have a "failsafe", which unfortunately didn't help at all as they were all off.

In any case, I don't expect delays to be very long. The sampling process can take a while even with physical objects to compare to, so this doesn't thrown off the time line more than any other scenario might have.

In any case, I have colors from the plastic series and the design series, not even gmk had access to the plastic series. I don't think a majority of designers have access to physical rals prior to IC, which I now recommend everyone to do (yeah, might seem like common sense). As I said, learn from my mistake.

I'll do everything I can to deliver what you, me and WE expect from firefly - this is just for transparency.


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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #164 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 04:18:12 »
Colors look different under different light sources. You will never get colors to look the same under all kinds of light sources - that's impossible. 6500 ° Kelvin is daylight. That's how most screens should be calibrated as well.
If the colors look the same in daylight and on a calibrated screen, there is no issue.
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« Reply #165 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 07:51:16 »
Your honesty is always admirable, Emir! Hope everything moves forward smoothly  :thumb:
I second that.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #166 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 08:08:06 »
Thanks Emir for keeping us informed. We trust you for the color matching, I don’t mind delays.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #167 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 15:33:15 »
Ok, So I wasn't planning to post any images of the samples. The reason for this is because I am not able to take accurate photos, and I don't want confusion in the thread.
For the finalized samples, I will send them to the best photographer in our hobby (IMO) for accurate shots - but I don't want to post any because I don't have the equipment or knowledge to take such images.

However, a lot of people have been talking about how this set is turning into GMK Necro, or that the set is doomed and there's no way we will have a final product close to the renders.
I decided to post an image of the samples to show that it is not about to be a necro, and we are not a million miles away from being close to matching the colros correctly. They are however still off, and I will correct that.

So note again: I don't have equipment or knowledge in order to take accurate shots and these are rejected samples.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #168 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 16:08:19 »
The delay is unfortunate, but it's more important to get the colors right.  I've already got GMK Phantom gathering dust in the closet; I don't need another set that in theory isn't black if you ever bring it into just the right kind of lighting.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #169 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 18:00:44 »
the samples look like the outdoor renders, are you trying to get it closer to the indoor renders?

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« Reply #170 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 18:02:38 »
the samples look like the outdoor renders, are you trying to get it closer to the indoor renders?

I'm trying to get them neutral to the expected colors where they will look similar to the outdoor renders outdoors, and indoor renders indoors. :)
However, keep in mind that they're just that - renders - and it will never be a 1;1.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #171 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 11:57:32 »
I understand there are delays here, happy to wait to get it right.  What was the original delivery date on this and what is expected date now?  Just looking for a very high level guess from anyone here. 

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« Reply #172 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:57:00 »
I understand there are delays here, happy to wait to get it right.  What was the original delivery date on this and what is expected date now?  Just looking for a very high level guess from anyone here.

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #173 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 22:56:48 »
Those samples look good to me *shrug*

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #174 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 09:30:47 »
Those samples look good to me *shrug*

Not good enough! :D I want it to be as close as possible, and I'll do everything towards that.

Regarding delays, it's not confirmed that there will be any as opposed to if we had the correct RALs off the bat. You're given a production slot upon ordering, and hopefully the colors will be sorted out before Fireflys production slot is up. :)

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Re: [GB] GMK Firefly - Waiting on round 2 color samples
« Reply #175 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 13:09:19 »
As I updated in my discord, 3 new rals have been chosen and sent to gmk! :)