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[GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:21:54 »
Welcome to SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri Group Buy

Several people asked me this to happen. So here we go! ;)


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Current MOQ stats.


SP SA Yuri

Alphas

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Cosmos

Dual Cosmos

Modifiers kit

Cyrillic modifiers kit

Dual modifiers kit

Numpad kit

Ergodox kit

40%

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:47:51 »
Woohoo Alps!  Let's hit that MOQ baby.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 09:38:44 »
Yowza.  $190 for the ALPS set is steeeeep..

Understandable. But steeeeep.

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 09:58:14 »
Yowza.  $190 for the ALPS set is steeeeep..

Understandable. But steeeeep.
That is why I took the MX route eons ago. Alps is a zombie. Even if you love it, a corpse should be left alone to rest in peace.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 10:22:35 »
Ordered. Always big fan of your work Tom. Thanks for another great set!

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 11:17:32 »
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 11:19:52 »
First page has been updated with Renders by Oblotzky.

One important note to people who think they wait for lower pricing. It will not get lower if you don't join. This is how it works. It gets lower only if more people join. Those who think they will be able to snag kits on a recap should keep in mind the 20% increase in cost  and competing against other buyers on a limited amount of kits. GMK Carbon R2 left others in the last recap is a very good example for this.

Ordered. Always big fan of your work Tom. Thanks for another great set!

Thanks! I always appreciate your support ;)

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 11:50:26 »
Yowza.  $190 for the ALPS set is steeeeep..

Understandable. But steeeeep.

It drop to $130 at 200 kits though
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 11:52:24 »
Ordered the ALPS set :)

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 11:53:16 »
Yowza.  $190 for the ALPS set is steeeeep..

Understandable. But steeeeep.

Given the zero competition, it's a price I'll gladly pay. We need more ALPS sets and they'll only happen if people buy them.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 12:50:09 »
I'm in for the alps, I'm hoping it hits 130$ but really I will be happy at 100 orders.

Kinda annoying that Drop still hasn't put in the option for APO address even though they offer APO shipping.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 03 October 2019, 18:18:46 »
Yowza.  $190 for the ALPS set is steeeeep..

Understandable. But steeeeep.

It drop to $130 at 200 kits though


I guess we'll figure out how big the market is for ALPS..

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 04 October 2019, 11:51:15 »
There's been some discussion on massdrop regarding a proper Cyrillic F-row kit being added. Can you comment on likelihood and potential timing? Thanks.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 04 October 2019, 12:21:17 »
Yowza.  $190 for the ALPS set is steeeeep..

Understandable. But steeeeep.

It drop to $130 at 200 kits though


I guess we'll figure out how big the market is for ALPS..

Unless something has changed, Signature Plastic's molds for ALPS mount is terrible. They're too big to fit in Matias switch sliders (Not sure about vintages ALPS) unless the stems are filed down, and the stems themselves very easily snap off the keycaps; at least on DSA keycaps, that is.
Maybe they're waiting for gasmasks and latex to get sexy again.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 04 October 2019, 12:53:53 »
Current MOQ stats.


There's been some discussion on massdrop regarding a proper Cyrillic F-row kit being added. Can you comment on likelihood and potential timing? Thanks.

Looking at the current sale stats - it would not be feasible to add another kit. So there will be definitely no Cyrillic f-row kit.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 04 October 2019, 13:07:46 »
Yowza.  $190 for the ALPS set is steeeeep..

Understandable. But steeeeep.

It drop to $130 at 200 kits though


I guess we'll figure out how big the market is for ALPS..

Unless something has changed, Signature Plastic's molds for ALPS mount is terrible. They're too big to fit in Matias switch sliders (Not sure about vintages ALPS) unless the stems are filed down, and the stems themselves very easily snap off the keycaps; at least on DSA keycaps, that is.

I have SP ALPS throwback and they fit OG ALPS switches just fine, the only issue I hear is with the spacebar shrinking and being a tight fit.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 04 October 2019, 13:31:32 »
I have SP ALPS throwback and they fit OG ALPS switches just fine, the only issue I hear is with the spacebar shrinking and being a tight fit.

Yup, by all accounts SP DCS is much better for ALPS than DSA.

Tbh, I'll take anything, it's impossible to get ISO ALPS keycaps with a modern layout.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 06 October 2019, 15:47:37 »
I got a custom pressing of DSA PBT alps caps somewhat recently and I can attest to the fact that they're a bit snug in Matias switches (and fine in Alps).  There's definitely some issues with the bottom of the posts mushrooming a little bit. Shaving just a little bit of plastic at the edges did help a great deal.  I confirmed with an engineer at Matias that the posts are actually not long enough to bottom out given the dimensions that SP gave for the posts.

This set is very nice looking. Hoping you hit MOQ.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 06 October 2019, 21:23:22 »
Yowza.  $190 for the ALPS set is steeeeep..

Understandable. But steeeeep.
That is why I took the MX route eons ago. Alps is a zombie. Even if you love it, a corpse should be left alone to rest in peace.

What do you mean? If you wanted the SA Yuri MX equivalent (Alphas, Mods, Novelties, ISO), it would cost you $65 more than the DCS Alps Kit. Granted, you will get a much better selection of novelties and wider support for ISO.
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 07 October 2019, 19:25:50 »
Looks like there is an update to the ALPS MOQ, it was raised to 200. This is scary for us that were willing to pay the 180$ but I hope we can hit this goal.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 07 October 2019, 19:52:41 »
Looks like there is an update to the ALPS MOQ, it was raised to 200. This is scary for us that were willing to pay the 180$ but I hope we can hit this goal.

Well, the price significantly dropped to $130 ($148.39 total with tax & shipping for me now, down from just about $200 before) with the change to a 200 MOQ so there is that at least, but I concur, gonna be a tight MOQ to meet considering how niche ALPS are in our already niche hobby. Would've definitely preferred the $180 starting price with a 100 set MOQ option staying, but who knows this may be SP's decision to change the MOQ not T0mb3ry's.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 07 October 2019, 20:22:32 »
With these kind of GBs do we usually see a consistent amount of people join throughout the GB or is it more of a inverce bell curve? I imagine the majority of people join in the first and last few days.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 07 October 2019, 21:22:26 »
With these kind of GBs do we usually see a consistent amount of people join throughout the GB or is it more of a inverse bell curve? I imagine the majority of people join in the first and last few days.

Pretty much like you are thinking with most joining in the last few weeks from what I have seen on previous keycap GBs.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 08 October 2019, 00:40:47 »
Looks like there is an update to the ALPS MOQ, it was raised to 200. This is scary for us that were willing to pay the 180$ but I hope we can hit this goal.

Well, the price significantly dropped to $130 ($148.39 total with tax & shipping for me now, down from just about $200 before) with the change to a 200 MOQ so there is that at least, but I concur, gonna be a tight MOQ to meet considering how niche ALPS are in our already niche hobby. Would've definitely preferred the $180 starting price with a 100 set MOQ option staying, but who knows this may be SP's decision to change the MOQ not T0mb3ry's.

Yikes, fingers crossed it hits 200 then.

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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 08 October 2019, 01:37:28 »
Will join ALPS Yuri. Welp if it barely makes it you can probably resell it for the the same price or even higher when you don't need it anymore.
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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 08 October 2019, 17:43:02 »
Looks like there is an update to the ALPS MOQ, it was raised to 200.

RIP Alps Yuri :(  Thank you for trying T0mb3ry.

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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 08 October 2019, 18:16:33 »
Looks like there is an update to the ALPS MOQ, it was raised to 200.

RIP Alps Yuri :(  Thank you for trying T0mb3ry.

I wouldn't give up yet, theres still alot of time left.

Also thanks for posting the DXF file for your ALPS clueboard build, it made building mine so much easier.  :)

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 08 October 2019, 18:52:15 »
I will literally buy 3 sets of ALPS Yuri if that helps it meet MOQ

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 08 October 2019, 19:09:31 »
Also thanks for posting the DXF file for your ALPS clueboard build, it made building mine so much easier.  :)

You're welcome!  I'm glad you found it useful.

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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 08 October 2019, 19:12:49 »
only if it had orange space bars for DCS set...  :'( I will still have to think about it

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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 09 October 2019, 01:30:42 »
Hoping a bit of promotion helps this, the original r/mechanicalkeyboards post didn't really get much traction

https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/dfd0h8/gb_dcs_alps_price_drops_to_120_moq_200_love_alps/?ref=share&ref_source=link

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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 09 October 2019, 02:58:18 »
I'm in for the alps, I'm hoping it hits 130$ but really I will be happy at 100 orders.

Kinda annoying that Drop still hasn't put in the option for APO address even though they offer APO shipping.
You can press F12 and change any state to whatever you want in the page code and it will let you save it.

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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 09 October 2019, 03:04:15 »
Hoping a bit of promotion helps this, the original r/mechanicalkeyboards post didn't really get much traction

https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/dfd0h8/gb_dcs_alps_price_drops_to_120_moq_200_love_alps/?ref=share&ref_source=link

Looks like you made a typo on the price, It should be 130$ at 200 MOQ.

I'm in for the alps, I'm hoping it hits 130$ but really I will be happy at 100 orders.

Kinda annoying that Drop still hasn't put in the option for APO address even though they offer APO shipping.
You can press F12 and change any state to whatever you want in the page code and it will let you save it.

Well that is a lifesaver, thank you so much.

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 10 October 2019, 04:25:09 »
Well most here seem focusing on the Apls, I am entering this business late enough to just like the dark blue and Russian letters.
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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 11 October 2019, 08:49:56 »
Alps seems promising, just gotta promote the hell out of it! Fingers crossed there’s a surge near the end too.

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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 15 October 2019, 23:38:54 »
Looks like we had a large jump in DCS sales, if it keeps this pace we might see it hit MOQ. Crossing my fingers.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:56:47 »
MOQ/price sheet has been updated in the first post.

Posting also the graphs from Dvorcol.


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« Reply #41 on: Sat, 19 October 2019, 02:41:47 »
I'm surprised it's going so slow... I was hoping for some price drops :) But I'm sure there will be a jump at the end.

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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 06:14:45 »
I'm surprised it's going so slow... I was hoping for some price drops :) But I'm sure there will be a jump at the end.

Sadly i'm not suprised.

It's a combination of pricing and people not liking Russia at the moment. The Drop comments are toxic af.

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 06:21:19 »
I am not surprised too, after seeing the price they set.

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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 06:29:42 »
I am not surprised too, after seeing the price they set.
Yeah, the prices are steep. Also, for ortho I'm having to order a $40 spacekeys kit - for one 2u spacebar

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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 10:47:52 »
Tryna cut down my SA intake... but can't pass on that DCS ALPS!

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 16:15:21 »
+1 for the steep prices. I wanted SO BAD to get SA Yuri all in cyrillics and some child kits, but that plus DCS was above $500. It was hard, but I had to pass on SA.

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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 16:35:13 »
+1 for the steep prices. I wanted SO BAD to get SA Yuri all in cyrillics and some child kits, but that plus DCS was above $500. It was hard, but I had to pass on SA.
Same here, I'm in for the DCS ALPS mount set over SA to. While I absolutely love SA, I can't pass the opportunity to get in on a ALPS mount set in the Yuri colorway. Hell I would've jumped on the ALPS mount over SA even if it was DSA (my least favorite profile) instead of DCS. Although hopefully they'll let us know if the DCS set isn't gonna make MOQ before the drop closes, cause in that case I will switch my order over to a SA set.

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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 16:54:12 »
+1 for the steep prices. I wanted SO BAD to get SA Yuri all in cyrillics and some child kits, but that plus DCS was above $500. It was hard, but I had to pass on SA.
Same here, I'm in for the DCS ALPS mount set over SA to. While I absolutely love SA, I can't pass the opportunity to get in on a ALPS mount set in the Yuri colorway. Hell I would've jumped on the ALPS mount over SA even if it was DSA (my least favorite profile) instead of DCS. Although hopefully they'll let us know if the DCS set isn't make MOQ before the drop closes, cause in that case I will switch my order over to a SA set.



I seriously doubt Drop will let you know anything before it closes. They have never done that in the past.

I'm also trying to figure out what to do and I think I'm going to go ahead and place an order for everything that I could possibly want and then also include something that has no chance to make MOQ or be produced (ergodox seems like a good candidate). By including something that won't hit MOQ then we should have the opportunity to edit the order before it is placed. I've never done this before but my understanding is that is how it should work. Also, I don't believe that you can add things to your order after it ends, only cancel. For example, if you were trying to cover a 96 key board, and numpad doesn't get made, you would have the opportunity to also cancel base + mods, but you couldn't at that point, switch over to the ALPS kit or switch to filling a 40%.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 17:50:56 »
+1 for the steep prices. I wanted SO BAD to get SA Yuri all in cyrillics and some child kits, but that plus DCS was above $500. It was hard, but I had to pass on SA.
Same here, I'm in for the DCS ALPS mount set over SA to. While I absolutely love SA, I can't pass the opportunity to get in on a ALPS mount set in the Yuri colorway. Hell I would've jumped on the ALPS mount over SA even if it was DSA (my least favorite profile) instead of DCS. Although hopefully they'll let us know if the DCS set isn't make MOQ before the drop closes, cause in that case I will switch my order over to a SA set.



I seriously doubt Drop will let you know anything before it closes. They have never done that in the past.

I'm also trying to figure out what to do and I think I'm going to go ahead and place an order for everything that I could possibly want and then also include something that has no chance to make MOQ or be produced (ergodox seems like a good candidate). By including something that won't hit MOQ then we should have the opportunity to edit the order before it is placed. I've never done this before but my understanding is that is how it should work. Also, I don't believe that you can add things to your order after it ends, only cancel. For example, if you were trying to cover a 96 key board, and numpad doesn't get made, you would have the opportunity to also cancel base + mods, but you couldn't at that point, switch over to the ALPS kit or switch to filling a 40%.

I've asked about editing the remainder of your order, but unfortunately it's not an option.  You'll be offered two choices: keep the remainder of your order, or cancel everything.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 19:55:54 »
I am not surprised too, after seeing the price they set.
Yeah, the prices are steep. Also, for ortho I'm having to order a $40 spacekeys kit - for one 2u spacebar

Yeah I really wish they included a 2u space in the 40s kit


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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 21 October 2019, 01:21:41 »
in for full cyrillics SA.  been waiting for this for many years now! 

was really hoping for double latin / cyrillics on the original color scheme but i guess i can hope for that in R2.  now the long wait for production...

this is gonna look amazing on my blue norbatouch.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 10:31:41 »
Moq/Pricing list has been updated in the first post.


Here are also some graphs by Dvorcol:


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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 11:03:38 »
New to GBs... If nothing hits MOQ, no production happens?

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 11:25:55 »
New to GBs... If nothing hits MOQ, no production happens?

If you want to join then don't hesitate. Just join it and take the kits you want. If some of your orders does not make it into production then you will get an option to adjust or cancel your order.

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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 11:28:49 »
New to GBs... If nothing hits MOQ, no production happens?

Typically on (Mass)Drop, any kit that reaches its MOQ will be made for sure. If a kit doesn't reach its MOQ, Drop might decide not to make it. It's also possible they will decide to make it anyway.  Drop will never charge you for a kit that isn't made. 

If there is a kit in your order that isn't made, they will give you the option to a) keep the rest of your order, or b) cancel your entire order.  Unfortunately they don't offer the option to revise your order.

Drop has always made cancel/keep decisions AFTER the group buy ends, so don't give up hope and cancel your order at the last minute.  Even worse, not ordering at all makes that kit's chances look even worse, discouraging more from not ordering and snowballing to failure.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 11:33:10 »
New to GBs... If nothing hits MOQ, no production happens?

Typically on (Mass)Drop, any kit that reaches its MOQ will be made for sure. If a kit doesn't reach its MOQ, Drop might decide not to make it. It's also possible they will decide to make it anyway.  Drop will never charge you for a kit that isn't made. 

If there is a kit in your order that isn't made, they will give you the option to a) keep the rest of your order, or b) cancel your entire order.  Unfortunately they don't offer the option to revise your order.

Drop has always made cancel/keep decisions AFTER the group buy ends, so don't give up hope and cancel your order at the last minute.  Even worse, not ordering at all makes that kit's chances look even worse, discouraging more from not ordering and snowballing to failure.

Oh i though it was possible to adjust the order. Oh well.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 11:37:52 »
Made my order from day one of the GB :)

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 11:41:32 »
New to GBs... If nothing hits MOQ, no production happens?

Typically on (Mass)Drop, any kit that reaches its MOQ will be made for sure. If a kit doesn't reach its MOQ, Drop might decide not to make it. It's also possible they will decide to make it anyway.  Drop will never charge you for a kit that isn't made. 

If there is a kit in your order that isn't made, they will give you the option to a) keep the rest of your order, or b) cancel your entire order.  Unfortunately they don't offer the option to revise your order.

Drop has always made cancel/keep decisions AFTER the group buy ends, so don't give up hope and cancel your order at the last minute.  Even worse, not ordering at all makes that kit's chances look even worse, discouraging more from not ordering and snowballing to failure.

Oh i though it was possible to adjust the order. Oh well.

I thought so too, but it wasn't clear so I asked Elbert.  He said their current ordering system can't handle modification, but that some future upgrade might.  If you have any influence, please request that upgrade!

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 24 October 2019, 15:50:47 »
DCS Yuri kit needs to sell 65% of the MOQ in the next week  :'(
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« Reply #60 on: Thu, 24 October 2019, 16:40:43 »
DCS Yuri kit needs to sell 65% of the MOQ in the next week  :'(

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 09:20:43 »
Let hope that 5 hundo I dropped pushes something closer to MOQ

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 08:34:20 »
Onboard! Beautiful color way, unique typeface.  Completely worth it.  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 11:28:21 »
MOQ/Pricing list has been updated.

Here are some updated graphs by Dvorcol.



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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 12:15:11 »
In from the start, this will be my first drop buy and first cyrilic set and I already have the board prepared for it. Got both the cyrilics and dual cosmos because I’m not yet decided which looks better :D

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 02:03:03 »
It's over, looks like ALPS will land around 100. Should we give up hope?

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 03:35:58 »
MOQ/Pricing list has been updated.


It's over, looks like ALPS will land around 100. Should we give up hope?

Nah i think there is a good chance.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 07:27:22 »
Well, I got an order confirmation!

Guess I’ll start cleaning up my blue alps ready for it :)


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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 10:25:20 »
I also have an order confirmation for DCS Yuri. Really hope this is happening but I can't see Drop buying out half of the MOQ. Fingers crossed.
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It's over, looks like ALPS will land around 100. Should we give up hope?

Nah i think there is a good chance.




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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 12:15:33 »
I too got a confirmation from Drop this morning for DCS Alps Yuri, I was very surprised.  I guess MOQ doesn't really matter anymore.  Hoping this is for real.

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« Reply #73 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 12:20:52 »
I'm pretty sure that's just the standard email they send out at the end of a drop.  They will spend the next week sorting out what they want to fund and what cannot be made.  We'll get another email with the bad news after that (OR HOPEFULLY GOOD NEWS!)

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 17:34:15 »
Everything goes into production except for UK ISO and Ergodox  :D ;)

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« Reply #75 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 18:52:50 »
shame that uk iso will not get made given it was the only way to get the r4 1.25u r4 shift key. I guess ISO enter in the novelties is a silver lining under the cloud.

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« Reply #76 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 19:11:56 »
Everything goes into production except for UK ISO and Ergodox  :D ;)

WOOHOO!!!   Again, thank you for running this.  I picked up quite a few SA kits but I’m really excited about the Alps set too.  Hope you’ll look at designing some other Alps sets if this one turns out well. 
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 19:52:04 »
Out of curiosity, did Drop buy out the rest of the Alps sets? That's pretty wild and very surprising. I'm happy.
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 02:06:42 »
Out of curiosity, did Drop buy out the rest of the Alps sets? That's pretty wild and very surprising. I'm happy.

Yes they did or will do (normal approach at drop and other vendors). And they will offer it in their Recap sales with a markup of 20-30%, thus they'll get the investment back.

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« Reply #79 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 03:36:22 »
Everything goes into production except for UK ISO and Ergodox  :D ;)

Wonderful! Shame for the ISO folks they don't get a 1.25u shift, but I'm over the moon alps is happening :)

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 07:37:44 »
Just noticed that SP has horizontal mounts on ISO enters, so the plate I posted a while back won't work.

http://i.imgur.com/EuDlw1B.jpg?1

That's what alpine looked like.

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« Reply #81 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 18:54:37 »
For some reason, I thought I saw DCS Yuri being MOQ with $180 at 100 units, while 200 units would've been a fat price drop. Awesome news Tomb3ry!

With someone attempting to bring back Blue Alps manufacturing perhaps this is step 1 towards a potential alps future.

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« Reply #82 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 19:42:19 »
For some reason, I thought I saw DCS Yuri being MOQ with $180 at 100 units, while 200 units would've been a fat price drop. Awesome news Tomb3ry!

With someone attempting to bring back Blue Alps manufacturing perhaps this is step 1 towards a potential alps future.

You're remembering it correctly -- that's how it was MOQ'd and priced initially, but they changed it partway through the drop.  There's a stickied post about this from Elbert in the discussion section for this on Drop dated 10/7/19.

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« Reply #83 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 07:17:13 »
Just finished up the board that's waiting for the alps set :)

They're orange alps but with blue click leaves, the orange sliders/housings were just in much better condition than my blues were.

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« Reply #84 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 09:00:08 »
Just finished up the board that's waiting for the alps set :)

They're orange alps but with blue click leaves, the orange sliders/housings were just in much better condition than my blues were.

That is hot! I'm slowly sourcing parts for my Alps build. This has me excited. Also worth mentioning, here is the most recent update on Drop from their representative Kevin on April 6th...

"Latest update from Signature Plastics is that they expect to have everything done by the end of April, and that we should receive it at our warehouse in the first week of May. So, we're moving the expected timeline up to early/mid May"

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« Reply #85 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 10:04:58 »
The Alps kit uses MX style stabilizers iirc so you might need to change your stabilizers
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« Reply #86 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 10:22:51 »
The Alps kit uses MX style stabilizers iirc so you might need to change your stabilizers

If i see right he has Costar stabs installed - so he is on the safe side.

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« Reply #87 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 10:34:32 »
Just finished up the board that's waiting for the alps set :)

They're orange alps but with blue click leaves, the orange sliders/housings were just in much better condition than my blues were.

Wow. This is the perfect board for DCS Alps. If I had anything close to that, I would have ordered DCS Yuri as well.

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« Reply #88 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 10:45:49 »
The Alps kit uses MX style stabilizers iirc so you might need to change your stabilizers

If i see right he has Costar stabs installed - so he is on the safe side.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #89 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 15:01:11 »
Just finished up the board that's waiting for the alps set :)

They're orange alps but with blue click leaves, the orange sliders/housings were just in much better condition than my blues were.

That is hot! I'm slowly sourcing parts for my Alps build. This has me excited. Also worth mentioning, here is the most recent update on Drop from their representative Kevin on April 6th...

"Latest update from Signature Plastics is that they expect to have everything done by the end of April, and that we should receive it at our warehouse in the first week of May. So, we're moving the expected timeline up to early/mid May"

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The Alps kit uses MX style stabilizers iirc so you might need to change your stabilizers

As t0mb3ry says, they're costar, I know exactly what arrangement SP uses for alps stabs, hence the ISO return being horizontal not vertical, SP alps mount is a bit weird like that.

PCB and case are the LFK-SMK and the YMDK aliexpress CNC case, so it's not even that expensive a build!

I'm looking forward to the extras going up, I want to at least get the SA novelties, I regret not getting those with my alps set.
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 23 April 2020, 14:52:29 »
I hope you all are doing well.

SP SA Yuri is currently in production and i just want to share a cell phone picture. This is the only picture i got so far and this looks very promising. Keep in mind that keys are not aligned properly and it might look that some letters are off but they aren't.


If i get more pictures then obviously i will share it here with you ;)
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« Reply #91 on: Thu, 23 April 2020, 23:13:32 »
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« Reply #92 on: Fri, 24 April 2020, 05:08:18 »
I hope you all are doing well.

SP SA Yuri is currently in production and i just want to share a cell phone picture. This is the only picture i got so far and this looks very promising. Keep in mind that keys are not aligned properly and it might look that some letters are off but they aren't.
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If i get more pictures then obviously i will share it here with you ;)

Any update on ALPS Yuri?

Im guessing COVID is slowing things down.

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« Reply #93 on: Sat, 25 April 2020, 10:11:39 »
I very foolishly sat this one out -- hoping there will be extras for sale!

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« Reply #94 on: Sat, 25 April 2020, 17:05:27 »
Me too - If anyone wants to sell their Alps set, please pm me.

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« Reply #95 on: Sat, 25 April 2020, 22:05:30 »
Me too - If anyone wants to sell their Alps set, please pm me.

There will 100% be extras. The MOQ for the Alps set was 200 but only 99 kits were sold. Drop bought out the rest. Given the popularity of Alps, shouldn't be too hard to snag a set when they're released.
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 08:34:45 »
Some new photos from the production:





Any update on ALPS Yuri?
I'll post here infos/photos as soon as i get something available.


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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 08:43:00 »
And i found an error in dual alphas.
Щ is mirrored. The tail should be on the right side... Already reported.

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« Reply #98 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 11:42:46 »
Really hope I can at least get the novelties, I regret not going all in on SA. Still super looking forward to the alps set though :)

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #99 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 10:40:31 »
More close up photo of dual comos

That photo has still quality issues and i think i will be able to review the new legends once i get the production samples. Anyway it looks all promising (of course the Щ needs to be fixed) on the first sight.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #100 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 01:14:44 »
Drop says production is complete, any chance of a shot of DSC Yuri?

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #101 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 08:42:33 »
Drop says production is complete, any chance of a shot of DSC Yuri?

So far i don't have any photos i could share here. Afaik i will get soon™ samples for QC and i will make few pictures of course. Also logistic services are recently very slow due to the current situation. So it will take some time...

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« Reply #102 on: Fri, 08 May 2020, 11:48:46 »


DCS Yuri seconds have started showing up in grab bags!

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 13 May 2020, 11:08:37 »
Just received production samples for QC and thus i am little bit busy. However i took some time to make some photos which you should take with grain of salt - because my camera really struggled with taking photos. My camera could not automatically figure white balance if i pointed it at the set (it behaved like i was shooting in cold light environment) and thus i had to do white balance manually. In Capture One i did also manual adjustments because photos were still way too warm. Anyway the orange here is way to orange and way too bright as in real. In reality that orange is more red (as it supposed to be) and darker.






Overall i am happy how dual alphas and mods turned out and at this point i can say that Signature Plastics did here really great job. Note: Numrow is standard and goes well with dual alphas and mods. This was the most worrying point for me.

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« Reply #105 on: Wed, 13 May 2020, 11:50:41 »
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« Reply #106 on: Wed, 13 May 2020, 11:55:23 »
Gorgeous!

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« Reply #107 on: Wed, 13 May 2020, 16:08:51 »
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 14 May 2020, 11:02:34 »
I don't have an alps board and i took this photato with my phone. I hope you don't mind  at this point. Anyway here is the alps set.



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« Reply #109 on: Thu, 14 May 2020, 11:21:02 »
A better photo of random keys from my camera.

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« Reply #110 on: Thu, 14 May 2020, 11:37:48 »
Wonderful, I'm so glad to see them look good :)

I was worried they'd have some flaw like the alps throwback set that didn't have homing keys, but they look perfect, can't wait! I hope I can buy a second set when they put the extras up.

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« Reply #111 on: Thu, 14 May 2020, 13:57:05 »
Wonderful, I'm so glad to see them look good :)

I was worried they'd have some flaw like the alps throwback set that didn't have homing keys, but they look perfect, can't wait! I hope I can buy a second set when they put the extras up.

So im gonna be honest, I been typing on alps throwback for over a year now and never noticed the lack of homing keys...

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« Reply #112 on: Thu, 14 May 2020, 15:19:19 »
How!? Homing keys are vital!

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« Reply #113 on: Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:54:55 »
The alphas look super crisp and the legend thickness and contrast is superb!  The novelty key also looks great.  Seems like the orange kinda gets lost on dark blue modifier alphas, though.  Wouldn’t have expected that to be an issue.  Maybe it’s lighting?  I thought the “code” key was a blank until I zoomed in on mobile.
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« Reply #114 on: Fri, 15 May 2020, 08:38:10 »
The alphas look super crisp and the legend thickness and contrast is superb!  The novelty key also looks great.  Seems like the orange kinda gets lost on dark blue modifier alphas, though.  Wouldn’t have expected that to be an issue.  Maybe it’s lighting?  I thought the “code” key was a blank until I zoomed in on mobile.

Indeed the font is quite thin and on a smaller screen it would be hard noticeable. In person the legends are better visible but i will definitely consider for future DCS Profile projects (if there will be any i can't say at this point and ALPS set did not so great) to make complete new or use different/bolder font (not sure if SP has any).

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #115 on: Sat, 16 May 2020, 01:51:38 »
I like the thinner font, I prefer it for the alphas to cherry, It would be nicer if it was a bit bigger and/or more contrasting on the mods though.

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« Reply #116 on: Mon, 18 May 2020, 07:49:10 »
Can you post a picture of the bottom side on an Alps key?


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« Reply #117 on: Mon, 18 May 2020, 08:32:47 »
Can you post a picture of the bottom side on an Alps key?


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« Reply #118 on: Mon, 18 May 2020, 09:13:12 »
I hope we don't need to shave down all the stems like with DSA Lightcycle, can't see it from the picture

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« Reply #119 on: Mon, 18 May 2020, 10:05:33 »
I hope we don't need to shave down all the stems like with DSA Lightcycle, can't see it from the picture

Should be ok as long as they used the same mold from DCS alps throwback.

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« Reply #120 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 04:43:49 »
I hope we don't need to shave down all the stems like with DSA Lightcycle, can't see it from the picture

Should be ok as long as they used the same mold from DCS alps throwback.

Good to know there are two molds for the stems.
Confirmation by Drop/SP/Tomb3ry would be awesome :D

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #121 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 11:26:34 »
I hope we don't need to shave down all the stems like with DSA Lightcycle, can't see it from the picture

Should be ok as long as they used the same mold from DCS alps throwback.

Good to know there are two molds for the stems.
Confirmation by Drop/SP/Tomb3ry would be awesome :D

I don't know if its needed to shave down the stems as i don't have an alps keyboard. Anyway its pretty obvious that the stems are different because DSA and DCS are different profiles.

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #122 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 11:57:58 »
Just for clarification. Here you can see all rows of  DCS alps bottoms and DCS mx (row 1 only) bottom next to it. As you can  see each row requires its own bottom mold and a bottom mold from DSA profile would not be compatible with DCS profile - because DSA is uniform across all rows where DCS has 4 different rows and each row has its specific angle.

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« Reply #123 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 12:07:53 »
I don't know if its needed to shave down the stems as i don't have an alps keyboard. Anyway its pretty obvious that the stems are different because DSA and DCS are different profiles.

Thanks again for running this, especially given you don't have an alps board! Are you at least considering getting one now you have the set?

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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #124 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 12:34:53 »
I don't know if its needed to shave down the stems as i don't have an alps keyboard. Anyway its pretty obvious that the stems are different because DSA and DCS are different profiles.

Thanks again for running this, especially given you don't have an alps board! Are you at least considering getting one now you have the set?

I need definitely an alps board in the future but i am not sure about switches yet as alps is still mystery for me. I tested few alps switches on meetups and i am not really sure on those. Tho alps browns are extreme bump switches and compared to holy pandas then - well holy pandas do smoke nervously in the corner.

Note: don't smoke kids its unhealthy.

Anyway I know only that it will be linear alps switch - as alps (as far as i know) was developed as linear switch and i am very strict in this case. I don't like artificial bumps and clicks, which do not contribute anything to the actual switch functionality. If i want bumps - i take Topre keyboard. If i want clicks - i take IBM Model F or beamspring (those are expensive  :'( ). Cherry MX and obviously Alps are only true for me if linear.
Its all subjective matter but i am here more on the historical and technical side. If you like bumpy or clicky mx switches - well i am glad those exist and people can enjoy those.



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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #125 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 22:39:28 »
I don't know if its needed to shave down the stems as i don't have an alps keyboard. Anyway its pretty obvious that the stems are different because DSA and DCS are different profiles.

Thanks again for running this, especially given you don't have an alps board! Are you at least considering getting one now you have the set?

I need definitely an alps board in the future but i am not sure about switches yet as alps is still mystery for me. I tested few alps switches on meetups and i am not really sure on those. Tho alps browns are extreme bump switches and compared to holy pandas then - well holy pandas do smoke nervously in the corner.
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Note: don't smoke kids its unhealthy.

Anyway I know only that it will be linear alps switch - as alps (as far as i know) was developed as linear switch and i am very strict in this case. I don't like artificial bumps and clicks, which do not contribute anything to the actual switch functionality. If i want bumps - i take Topre keyboard. If i want clicks - i take IBM Model F or beamspring (those are expensive  :'( ). Cherry MX and obviously Alps are only true for me if linear.
Its all subjective matter but i am here more on the historical and technical side. If you like bumpy or clicky mx switches - well i am glad those exist and people can enjoy those.

You and Hiney are Kings for supporting Alps and not having any boards yourselves. Thank you.
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 23:54:38 »
Just for clarification. Here you can see all rows of  DCS alps bottoms and DCS mx (row 1 only) bottom next to it. As you can  see each row requires its own bottom mold and a bottom mold from DSA profile would not be compatible with DCS profile - because DSA is uniform across all rows where DCS has 4 different rows and each row has its specific angle.

I believe he is talking about the DSA light cycle Alps keycaps.  It ran in both MX and Alps (I own them both).  The first few runs of Alps caps (Alpine Winter, Light Cycle) had stems that were extremely tight on some Alps switches, especially Matias.  In addition, the stems tore off very easily when trying to remove the keycap because the fit was so tight.  In order to combat this problem, people shaved down the keycap stem on its corners.  It was a pain in the ass, but it worked.  Unfortunately, some of my Light Cycle stems are very loose.  I can lift several caps off without a keycap puller.  I have been this wasn't as much of an issue  on older, original Alps switches. 

DCS Alps throwback used a different stem design from Alpine Winter and Light Cycle. 

You can read about it here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94727.msg2592093#msg2592093

Alps Throwback was made with the 1Z mount instead of the EX mount, resulting in a better fitting stem.
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« Reply #127 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 00:12:47 »

I believe he is talking about the DSA light cycle Alps keycaps.  It ran in both MX and Alps (I own them both).  The first few runs of Alps caps (Alpine Winter, Light Cycle) had stems that were extremely tight on some Alps switches, especially Matias.  In addition, the stems tore off very easily when trying to remove the keycap because the fit was so tight.  In order to combat this problem, people shaved down the keycap stem on its corners.  It was a pain in the ass, but it worked.  Unfortunately, some of my Light Cycle stems are very loose.  I can lift several caps off without a keycap puller.  I have been this wasn't as much of an issue  on older, original Alps switches. 

DCS Alps throwback used a different stem design from Alpine Winter and Light Cycle. 

You can read about it here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94727.msg2592093#msg2592093

Alps Throwback was made with the 1Z mount instead of the EX mount, resulting in a better fitting stem.

Based on following album from the thread you posted: https://imgur.com/a/FI9er

If i understand it right, the 1Z mount stem is little bit shorter than the EX mount. And based on the comparison in this album, if you look from the specific angle the EX stem sticks out beyond of the bottom edge of the keycap where 1Z stem is not visible (from that angle). Anyway if understood it right then it seems like DCS Alps Yuri is using the 1Z mount.
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« Reply #128 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 08:47:49 »
Just for clarification. Here you can see all rows of  DCS alps bottoms and DCS mx (row 1 only) bottom next to it. As you can  see each row requires its own bottom mold and a bottom mold from DSA profile would not be compatible with DCS profile - because DSA is uniform across all rows where DCS has 4 different rows and each row has its specific angle.

I believe he is talking about the DSA light cycle Alps keycaps.  It ran in both MX and Alps (I own them both).  The first few runs of Alps caps (Alpine Winter, Light Cycle) had stems that were extremely tight on some Alps switches, especially Matias.  In addition, the stems tore off very easily when trying to remove the keycap because the fit was so tight.  In order to combat this problem, people shaved down the keycap stem on its corners.  It was a pain in the ass, but it worked.  Unfortunately, some of my Light Cycle stems are very loose.  I can lift several caps off without a keycap puller.  I have been this wasn't as much of an issue  on older, original Alps switches. 

DCS Alps throwback used a different stem design from Alpine Winter and Light Cycle. 

You can read about it here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94727.msg2592093#msg2592093

Alps Throwback was made with the 1Z mount instead of the EX mount, resulting in a better fitting stem.

This is indeed what I was referring to. I do have DSA Lightcycle for ALPS and had to shave them even for vintage original ALPS, more precisely orange and blues. As you say it was a hassle and tedious, but I'd rather shave them that break them.

Thanks to both you and T0mb3ry for confirming :D

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« Reply #129 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 08:51:32 »
Just want to show that the stem is shorter which lets me asume this is the 1Z stem.

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« Reply #130 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 08:54:14 »
Just want to show that the stem is shorter which lets me asume this is the 1Z stem.

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« Reply #131 on: Thu, 21 May 2020, 12:51:03 »
On which kind of plates can this Alps set be mounted, any design files available for e.g. custom TKLs?

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« Reply #132 on: Thu, 21 May 2020, 12:55:55 »
On which kind of plates can this Alps set be mounted, any design files available for e.g. custom TKLs?

I posted some ISO plates earlier in the thread, you could use http://builder.swillkb.com + QCAD to make an ANSI version.

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« Reply #133 on: Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:36:40 »
On which kind of plates can this Alps set be mounted, any design files available for e.g. custom TKLs?

I posted some ISO plates earlier in the thread, you could use http://builder.swillkb.com + QCAD to make an ANSI version.

Thanks, appreciated! Is it really at the level where no (famous) custom TKL comes with these Alps plates with MX stabs cutouts or at least the design file published?

Then no wonder these -anyway very few- Alps sets struggle to reach MOQ.

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« Reply #134 on: Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:37:04 »
On which kind of plates can this Alps set be mounted, any design files available for e.g. custom TKLs?

I’m planning to save my set for something nice like the argyle or hiney TKL.  You’ll need alps switch cutouts with Cherry Stabilizer holes.

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« Reply #135 on: Thu, 21 May 2020, 14:07:17 »
On which kind of plates can this Alps set be mounted, any design files available for e.g. custom TKLs?

I posted some ISO plates earlier in the thread, you could use http://builder.swillkb.com + QCAD to make an ANSI version.

Thanks, appreciated! Is it really at the level where no (famous) custom TKL comes with these Alps plates with MX stabs cutouts or at least the design file published?

Then no wonder these -anyway very few- Alps sets struggle to reach MOQ.

It's really not hard to design your own plate, I can knock one up for filco/YMDK cases if you like. Costar or GMK stabs?
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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #136 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 14:20:36 »
I did both in one plate, this'll work fine with the LFK-TKL PCB https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk-tkl/ and aliexpress case https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32617566709.html

I've had my plates fabricated by laserboost on 1.5mm brushed steel, that's worked well for me.


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Re: [GB] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (Closed)
« Reply #137 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 15:31:47 »
If we are sharing plate files here is my FC660 alps plate that fits with the FC660 aluminum case and Clueboard 66% PCB.

All credit goes to Kiwi on discord for doing the cad work.

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« Reply #138 on: Sun, 24 May 2020, 02:05:59 »
https://drop.com/buy/drop-t0mb3ry-sa-yuri-custom-keycap-set/talk/2619482?utm_source=linkshare&referer=3QUAZA

Looks like it's delayed a bit more to fix some issues, definitely required given how wonky the caps they posted looked!

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« Reply #139 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 16:01:37 »
I did both in one plate, this'll work fine with the LFK-TKL PCB https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk-tkl/ and aliexpress case https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32617566709.html

I've had my plates fabricated by laserboost on 1.5mm brushed steel, that's worked well for me.



If we are sharing plate files here is my FC660 alps plate that fits with the FC660 aluminum case and Clueboard 66% PCB.

All credit goes to Kiwi on discord for doing the cad work.

Thank you very much, very helpful! I will look into it, now there is a chance to fully use this Alps set :)