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Offline CodeMayhem

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy is live!
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 29 October 2019, 20:43:53 »
Don't want to be a negative nancy but I'm not excited by the "bonus" keycaps. What's the point of a stepped control key? Afaik the caps lock is stepped so it becomes harder to press it by accident. This also makes it harder to reach though. If I have CTRL mapped there, this is counterintuitive. And I guess the other keys are for a 65%? Whatever.

They added something for free that you don't need, how terrible this world has become.
It's not only that I have no need for it, I think the concept of a stepped CTRL is wrong.
Yes, these blasphemous heathens and their mortal sin of stepped control. They will burn in the deepest depths of hell for their transgression against divine law.

i'm thinking of using stepped ctrl on my kn2.10²  :p

Offline Starius

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy is live! 2 days left!
« Reply #101 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 15:19:59 »
I do hope this gets offered for a second round again in the future.
There's just no way I am going to be able to swing this purchase right now. 
Great set!

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy is live! 2 days left!
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 16:28:06 »
I do hope this gets offered for a second round again in the future.
There's just no way I am going to be able to swing this purchase right now. 
Great set!

Luckily for you it doesn't seem like a set that'll terribly difficult to hunt down on the aftermarket due to the sheer amount. :D

Offline Magnificent Bureaucrat

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy is live! Last day to order!
« Reply #103 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 12:59:09 »
Having spent the whole month adding sets to my basket and removing them I finally crumbled and went for core + localization. Excited for my first GB.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy is live! Last day to order!
« Reply #104 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 18:13:01 »
We have surpassed 1500 orders and the extra keys will be added to the Core Module! Last chance to grab a set!

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy extended for ONE MORE DAY!
« Reply #105 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 15:54:22 »
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├── GB_units_ordered/
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Nightmode ---- 428
│     ├── Whitespace --- 440
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One last chance to grab Dracula! GB extended for ONE MORE DAY! Ends tonight, November 1st — Almost 2000 Core Modules Sold!


Absolutely bonkers you guys! Thank you so much everyone, you're amazing! :)


A new render, TGR-910 (black)

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Offline dvorcol

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy extended for ONE MORE DAY!
« Reply #106 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 18:49:51 »
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├── GB_units_ordered/
│ └── All proxies/
│     ├── Core -------- 1973
│     ├── Highlight ---- 773
│     ├──
Nightmode ---- 428
│     ├── Whitespace --- 440
│     ├── Minify ------- 246
│     ├──
Localization -- 83
│     ├── Command ------ 161
│     └── ERR! --------- 740

└── GB_status_date/
  └── November 1st [2019-11-01]


One last chance to grab Dracula! GB extended for ONE MORE DAY! Ends tonight, November 1st — Almost 2000 Core Modules Sold!


Absolutely bonkers you guys! Thank you so much everyone, you're amazing! :)


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Offline vision-quest

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy extended; Ends tonight! LAST CHANCE!
« Reply #107 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 09:30:16 »
So close to 2000, wow.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy extended; Ends tonight! LAST CHANCE!
« Reply #108 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 09:40:01 »
Nooooooooooooooo I missed it by a day dangit !

Offline matrixzj

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy extended; Ends tonight! LAST CHANCE!
« Reply #109 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 10:15:47 »
Nooooooooooooooo I missed it by a day dangit !

gb is still open
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Offline AlcoholEnthusiast

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy extended; Ends tonight! LAST CHANCE!
« Reply #110 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 11:31:51 »
Congrats Pikku-allu! Insane numbers. I believe this is the highest selling non-MD set ever, unless I'm missing something.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy closed
« Reply #111 on: Sat, 02 November 2019, 20:55:42 »
What's the final count? 2000?

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy closed
« Reply #112 on: Sun, 03 November 2019, 12:35:00 »
What's the final count? 2000?

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Over 2k! We're announcing numbers later when we have the final count. Thank you so much everyone!
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Offline rora

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy closed
« Reply #113 on: Sun, 03 November 2019, 13:31:59 »
Really excited for this and gz on the wonderful gb

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy closed
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 03 November 2019, 15:42:15 »
Can’t wait to get my set, got a cable ordered for it already :thumb:

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy closed
« Reply #115 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:33:13 »
My first GB and first GMK set. Can't wait!


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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy closed
« Reply #116 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 08:23:50 »
2k?! DAMN
Stuff  I have
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40 ish sets and 40ish sets in GB

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy closed
« Reply #117 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 13:37:00 »
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├── GB_units_ordered/
│ └── All proxies including extras/
│     ├── Core -------- 3006 (2068 customer orders)
│     ├── Highlight --- 1223
│     ├──
Nightmode ---- 797
│     ├── Whitespace --- 652
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Localization - 117
│     ├── Command ------ 260
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└── GB_status_date/
  └── November 2nd [2019-11-02] [FINAL]


The final numbers are here at last — 3000 Core Modules including extras!


No, that is not a typo. I'm at loss for words. Thank you everyone, I can't wait to see Dracula in use!

Some more good news, the color matching is under way. We have been hard at work for a long time already, and not to worry, we're not matching colors in bedroom lighting.

« Last Edit: Tue, 12 November 2019, 13:42:04 by pikku-allu »
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Offline honoka

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #118 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 14:37:45 »
fml. now gmk will be held up for ages doing this one :D

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Group buy closed
« Reply #119 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 15:57:48 »
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├── GB_units_ordered/
│ └── All proxies including extras/
│     ├── Core -------- 3006 (2068 customer orders)
│     ├── Highlight --- 1223
│     ├──
Nightmode ---- 797
│     ├── Whitespace --- 652
│     ├── Minify ------- 353
│     ├──
Localization - 117
│     ├── Command ------ 260
│     └── ERR! -------- 1167

└── GB_status_date/
  └── November 2nd [2019-11-02] [FINAL]


The final numbers are here at last — 3000 Core Modules including extras!


No, that is not a typo. I'm at loss for words. Thank you everyone, I can't wait to see Dracula in use!

Some more good news, the color matching is under way. We have been hard at work for a long time already, and not to worry, we're not matching colors in bedroom lighting.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #120 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 16:26:45 »
Nice numbers

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #121 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 18:50:07 »
Those numbers are incredibly impressive. Congrats on the GB :thumb:

Offline scoopbb

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #122 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:15:46 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Offline WifeIsGoddess

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #123 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:25:24 »
Congratulations on achieving 3K sales on base kit.
"Error kit" also exceeded 1K sales, so do you have any plans to add a red Enter key in "Error kit" to celebrate?

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #124 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:26:00 »
So what doeas the final base kit with all the extra keys look like? Oh and will there be any extra keys in the child kits? There were 1k highlight kits sold!

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #125 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:26:11 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

Offline scoopbb

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:38:54 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:55:59 »
So what doeas the final base kit with all the extra keys look like? Oh and will there be any extra keys in the child kits? There were 1k highlight kits sold!

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The base kit shows all the keys including the extra keys

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 21:22:10 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

So a set with a 16 page interest check will probably do even better?

Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #129 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 21:42:39 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

So a set with a 16 page interest check will probably do even better?

lol this has to be the only forum I know of that has this anti-consumer attitude.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #130 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:24:55 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

So a set with a 16 page interest check will probably do even better?

lol this has to be the only forum I know of that has this anti-consumer attitude.

dvorcol is actually right

some ICs have just been going on for an age, it's not the only indicator of how well a set will sell

and some sets don't even run ICs anymore, and they sell fine

it's hard to predict
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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #131 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 10:46:25 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

So a set with a 16 page interest check will probably do even better?

lol this has to be the only forum I know of that has this anti-consumer attitude.

most hobbies are like this. you get the circle jerk around the creators, designers, vendors. in the end every "favor" done for the consumer is just another way to make profits (which i can respect to a certain degree, im not saying vendors shouldn't be making profit for their hard work). people argue over putting 40s, iso, whatever else in the base kit to save a few bucks but when a set's numbers could have potentially saved the consumer 30 dollars (or whatever it was) they are busy jerking off the vendor and designer for adding in 3 keys no one cared about from the get go.

for all the **** massdrop gets, at least they are FAR more consumer centric in that respect. they own this forum but only run sets by the same designers which is a shame.

and to dvorcol, of course just page count means nothing but the sentiment within the pages is a decent indicator. if all 16 pages are **** talk and arguing obviously not, if all 16 pages are people basically nutting themselves its not an awful indicator.

i don't expect most of this forum to agree with me. there is far too much blind loyalty.

Offline ConfuseBill

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 22:21:32 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

So a set with a 16 page interest check will probably do even better?

lol this has to be the only forum I know of that has this anti-consumer attitude.

most hobbies are like this. you get the circle jerk around the creators, designers, vendors. in the end every "favor" done for the consumer is just another way to make profits (which i can respect to a certain degree, im not saying vendors shouldn't be making profit for their hard work). people argue over putting 40s, iso, whatever else in the base kit to save a few bucks but when a set's numbers could have potentially saved the consumer 30 dollars (or whatever it was) they are busy jerking off the vendor and designer for adding in 3 keys no one cared about from the get go.

for all the **** massdrop gets, at least they are FAR more consumer centric in that respect. they own this forum but only run sets by the same designers which is a shame.

and to dvorcol, of course just page count means nothing but the sentiment within the pages is a decent indicator. if all 16 pages are **** talk and arguing obviously not, if all 16 pages are people basically nutting themselves its not an awful indicator.

i don't expect most of this forum to agree with me. there is far too much blind loyalty.

Well, that's what a premium hobby is all about.
Enthusiast are seeking the Hype, Color matching, Something rare, One time production and maybe Hard to get.
No one is forcing these enthusiast to join the GB.
Have seen many GB fails because does not met Minimum quantity as well for no specific reason.

There are plenty other option of Low Price ABS keycaps off the shelf with nice colors too.
It's just a preference for this hobby.

Stay Calm and Keep Clacking.

Offline dohmain

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 22:30:00 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

So a set with a 16 page interest check will probably do even better?

lol this has to be the only forum I know of that has this anti-consumer attitude.

most hobbies are like this. you get the circle jerk around the creators, designers, vendors. in the end every "favor" done for the consumer is just another way to make profits (which i can respect to a certain degree, im not saying vendors shouldn't be making profit for their hard work). people argue over putting 40s, iso, whatever else in the base kit to save a few bucks but when a set's numbers could have potentially saved the consumer 30 dollars (or whatever it was) they are busy jerking off the vendor and designer for adding in 3 keys no one cared about from the get go.

for all the **** massdrop gets, at least they are FAR more consumer centric in that respect. they own this forum but only run sets by the same designers which is a shame.

and to dvorcol, of course just page count means nothing but the sentiment within the pages is a decent indicator. if all 16 pages are **** talk and arguing obviously not, if all 16 pages are people basically nutting themselves its not an awful indicator.

i don't expect most of this forum to agree with me. there is far too much blind loyalty.

I freaking love [GMK] keycaps... I have 4 MX boards but I've lost count of how many keysets I have.

Unfortunately, this is probably my last purchase.

Initially when vendors stopped offering price drops I wasn't all that phased by it.
Yeah, I understood it was a pain in the ass for the vendor to go back and manually refund small amounts to hundreds of orders.

But this hobby has been growing very fast and keycap sales have gotten pretty crazy right now.
It used to be that you HAD to sell on Drop in order to hit big order numbers. This is obviously no longer the case and our community vendors can now hit numbers bigger than Drop.

Is it time the vendors figure out some system to bring back the price drops?

I'm not a fan of adding new keys, and it sucks that's the way it is going. The number of keys added is so arbitrary. For example Metropolis sold 1500 (with extras) and added 9 keys. Dracula sold 3000 (with extras) and added 5 keys.
It really just seems like the extras are just tossed out to distract everyone from the missing price drops.

If this set had sold on Drop with these numbers (not including extras so 2K sales), I guess it would be $100-110
There also would've been several drop points for half of the child kits.

That $20 price drop on the base kit @ 2K sales is $40,000.
Add in the price drops for the child kits and I think I know where the 938 extra base kits came from.
I think we've lost the spirit of group buys and I don't think there is any incentive for group buys to go back to having price drops, the current system works too good for the vendors.

Offline walie

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 22:39:27 »
lol

"spirit of group buys"

lol

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 22:41:24 »
lol

"the current system works too good for the vendors."

lol

Offline scoopbb

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #136 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 23:28:13 »


I freaking love [GMK] keycaps... I have 4 MX boards but I've lost count of how many keysets I have.

Unfortunately, this is probably my last purchase.

Initially when vendors stopped offering price drops I wasn't all that phased by it.
Yeah, I understood it was a pain in the ass for the vendor to go back and manually refund small amounts to hundreds of orders.

But this hobby has been growing very fast and keycap sales have gotten pretty crazy right now.
It used to be that you HAD to sell on Drop in order to hit big order numbers. This is obviously no longer the case and our community vendors can now hit numbers bigger than Drop.

Is it time the vendors figure out some system to bring back the price drops?

I'm not a fan of adding new keys, and it sucks that's the way it is going. The number of keys added is so arbitrary. For example Metropolis sold 1500 (with extras) and added 9 keys. Dracula sold 3000 (with extras) and added 5 keys.
It really just seems like the extras are just tossed out to distract everyone from the missing price drops.

If this set had sold on Drop with these numbers (not including extras so 2K sales), I guess it would be $100-110
There also would've been several drop points for half of the child kits.

That $20 price drop on the base kit @ 2K sales is $40,000.
Add in the price drops for the child kits and I think I know where the 938 extra base kits came from.
I think we've lost the spirit of group buys and I don't think there is any incentive for group buys to go back to having price drops, the current system works too good for the vendors.

let them make fun of you for 2 statements they nitpick and dont agree with but at the end of the day That $20 price drop on the base kit @ 2K sales is $40,000. is all that matters. rely on the customer to get the set made but won't invest themselves unless its a sure thing and then pocket the price breaks too. it is what it is.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #137 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 12:13:13 »
40k is a lot of money but my piece of that pie is only ~20 dollars and for me personally I am fine waiving 20 dollars if I have some level of certainty that I will actually get what I purchased.  To me that means having a vendor manage the logistics of the groupbuy because I have had too many geekhackers happily steal my money and pretend they either don't know me or that their group buy from 2012 is "shipping!".
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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #138 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 12:58:26 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

So a set with a 16 page interest check will probably do even better?

lol this has to be the only forum I know of that has this anti-consumer attitude.

most hobbies are like this. you get the circle jerk around the creators, designers, vendors. in the end every "favor" done for the consumer is just another way to make profits (which i can respect to a certain degree, im not saying vendors shouldn't be making profit for their hard work). people argue over putting 40s, iso, whatever else in the base kit to save a few bucks but when a set's numbers could have potentially saved the consumer 30 dollars (or whatever it was) they are busy jerking off the vendor and designer for adding in 3 keys no one cared about from the get go.

for all the **** massdrop gets, at least they are FAR more consumer centric in that respect. they own this forum but only run sets by the same designers which is a shame.

and to dvorcol, of course just page count means nothing but the sentiment within the pages is a decent indicator. if all 16 pages are **** talk and arguing obviously not, if all 16 pages are people basically nutting themselves its not an awful indicator.

i don't expect most of this forum to agree with me. there is far too much blind loyalty.

I freaking love [GMK] keycaps... I have 4 MX boards but I've lost count of how many keysets I have.

Unfortunately, this is probably my last purchase.

Initially when vendors stopped offering price drops I wasn't all that phased by it.
Yeah, I understood it was a pain in the ass for the vendor to go back and manually refund small amounts to hundreds of orders.

But this hobby has been growing very fast and keycap sales have gotten pretty crazy right now.
It used to be that you HAD to sell on Drop in order to hit big order numbers. This is obviously no longer the case and our community vendors can now hit numbers bigger than Drop.

Is it time the vendors figure out some system to bring back the price drops?

I'm not a fan of adding new keys, and it sucks that's the way it is going. The number of keys added is so arbitrary. For example Metropolis sold 1500 (with extras) and added 9 keys. Dracula sold 3000 (with extras) and added 5 keys.
It really just seems like the extras are just tossed out to distract everyone from the missing price drops.

If this set had sold on Drop with these numbers (not including extras so 2K sales), I guess it would be $100-110
There also would've been several drop points for half of the child kits.

That $20 price drop on the base kit @ 2K sales is $40,000.
Add in the price drops for the child kits and I think I know where the 938 extra base kits came from.
I think we've lost the spirit of group buys and I don't think there is any incentive for group buys to go back to having price drops, the current system works too good for the vendors.

This is why the ideal MOQ exists. It's higher than the production (GMK's) MOQ. Dixie, NovelKeys, etc. set their goal MOQ higher than the GMK MOQ to offer lower initial pricing.

We are past having one, maybe two sets a month barely scraping towards 150 or 250 base units. Sets can easily hit 500+ if designed well and marketed properly as seen here and with many others. The lower price people pay is what the "dropped" price would be at 250, 500+ sets. Vendors are projecting to hit these larger numbers from the start and are regularly hitting them.

It's pointless to set a price at 150/250 with the anticipation of hitting 500+ anyway, it's extra work that's not necessary if the pricing is set for the higher MOQ from the beginning. Once you get into 1000+ units sold you can get into adding extra keys, etc. as Dracula did. It's also not as easy as you likely think to implement a Drop-like system where buyers are charged at the END of the buy, versus when they actually put in their order (the better way to do it, safer, you secure the funds, etc.). Manually refunding 170 orders sure, that's an afternoon - but 2000? - you're kidding me if you think anyone wants to do that buddy.

TL;DR The price drop is built in at the beginning. It saves time and effort on the backend once the buy hits the numbers that the vendor projects at the beginning.
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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:47:13 »
wish massdrop would actually run sets like this so customers could benefit from price drops. yeah, 3 keys is great, id rather have the price drop. vendors caking

Who can predict which upcoming sets will sell this well?

this one was possibly the most obvious from the 13 page interest check

So a set with a 16 page interest check will probably do even better?

lol this has to be the only forum I know of that has this anti-consumer attitude.

most hobbies are like this. you get the circle jerk around the creators, designers, vendors. in the end every "favor" done for the consumer is just another way to make profits (which i can respect to a certain degree, im not saying vendors shouldn't be making profit for their hard work). people argue over putting 40s, iso, whatever else in the base kit to save a few bucks but when a set's numbers could have potentially saved the consumer 30 dollars (or whatever it was) they are busy jerking off the vendor and designer for adding in 3 keys no one cared about from the get go.

for all the **** massdrop gets, at least they are FAR more consumer centric in that respect. they own this forum but only run sets by the same designers which is a shame.

and to dvorcol, of course just page count means nothing but the sentiment within the pages is a decent indicator. if all 16 pages are **** talk and arguing obviously not, if all 16 pages are people basically nutting themselves its not an awful indicator.

i don't expect most of this forum to agree with me. there is far too much blind loyalty.

I freaking love [GMK] keycaps... I have 4 MX boards but I've lost count of how many keysets I have.

Unfortunately, this is probably my last purchase.

Initially when vendors stopped offering price drops I wasn't all that phased by it.
Yeah, I understood it was a pain in the ass for the vendor to go back and manually refund small amounts to hundreds of orders.

But this hobby has been growing very fast and keycap sales have gotten pretty crazy right now.
It used to be that you HAD to sell on Drop in order to hit big order numbers. This is obviously no longer the case and our community vendors can now hit numbers bigger than Drop.

Is it time the vendors figure out some system to bring back the price drops?

I'm not a fan of adding new keys, and it sucks that's the way it is going. The number of keys added is so arbitrary. For example Metropolis sold 1500 (with extras) and added 9 keys. Dracula sold 3000 (with extras) and added 5 keys.
It really just seems like the extras are just tossed out to distract everyone from the missing price drops.

If this set had sold on Drop with these numbers (not including extras so 2K sales), I guess it would be $100-110
There also would've been several drop points for half of the child kits.

That $20 price drop on the base kit @ 2K sales is $40,000.
Add in the price drops for the child kits and I think I know where the 938 extra base kits came from.
I think we've lost the spirit of group buys and I don't think there is any incentive for group buys to go back to having price drops, the current system works too good for the vendors.

This is why the ideal MOQ exists. It's higher than the production (GMK's) MOQ. Dixie, NovelKeys, etc. set their goal MOQ higher than the GMK MOQ to offer lower initial pricing.

We are past having one, maybe two sets a month barely scraping towards 150 or 250 base units. Sets can easily hit 500+ if designed well and marketed properly as seen here and with many others. The lower price people pay is what the "dropped" price would be at 250, 500+ sets. Vendors are projecting to hit these larger numbers from the start and are regularly hitting them.

It's pointless to set a price at 150/250 with the anticipation of hitting 500+ anyway, it's extra work that's not necessary if the pricing is set for the higher MOQ from the beginning. Once you get into 1000+ units sold you can get into adding extra keys, etc. as Dracula did. It's also not as easy as you likely think to implement a Drop-like system where buyers are charged at the END of the buy, versus when they actually put in their order (the better way to do it, safer, you secure the funds, etc.). Manually refunding 170 orders sure, that's an afternoon - but 2000? - you're kidding me if you think anyone wants to do that buddy.

TL;DR The price drop is built in at the beginning. It saves time and effort on the backend once the buy hits the numbers that the vendor projects at the beginning.

There are rumors floating around that Dracula was priced at 250 MOQ. That's what people are upset about.
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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:57:58 »
There are rumors floating around that Dracula was priced at 250 MOQ. That's what people are upset about.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 14:03:39 »
There are rumors floating around that Dracula was priced at 250 MOQ. That's what people are upset about.

"We only have rumours to go on but we won't stand for it!" — forums since the inception of the internet.  :))
Seems like an easy rumor to debunk. Not only that, it would shut a lot of people up if it was... and yet, here we are
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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #142 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 14:58:29 »
imagine a full time vendor making money

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #143 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 15:37:18 »
imagine a full time vendor making money

Oh, the humanity!

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #144 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 15:55:57 »
imagine a full time vendor making money

I really wish more people actually shared this sentiment.

It's absolutely ridiculous for anyone to expect a business not to make at least a little money on products they sell. Especially a business where selling keyboard-related products is their main source of income.

That $5 more you spent on that keyset allows vendors to move our hobby forward. If you're so upset about the price, either don't buy the product or buy 1 less Starbucks coffee a week.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:31:00 »
Right. You guys are making it seem like I am saying the vendors don't deserve to make money, which is not what I am saying at all.
You guys make it seem like the vendors end up with no margin if they passed along the price drops, which is not true either.

Let me put it this way. I can't exactly remember which set it was that started to not offer price drops... but IIRC the reasoning for it was that it was too much work to manually refund each purchase. Which I completely understand and agree with.

Nowhere did I say that vendors should sit there and manually refund all those orders. I just merely asked, "Is it time the vendors figure out some system to bring back the price drops?"

Lets go back to the reason for getting rid of the price drops: It's too much work.

I totally agree, it is a ton of work and I wouldn't wish that tediousness upon anyone. However, what they are saying here is "It's too much work for me to pass along the price drops, so I'm just going to pocket the money."

$40,000 would go a long way to just explore the possibility of implementing a system for price drops. Instead, it is just pocketed because that's the easy (and profitable) thing to do.

You guys don't agree with me, that's fine. You guys can laugh at me and make fun of me, IDGAF. In the end, I'm just a drop in the ocean... little me not buying future sets will not affect sales at all and my opinion will be buried and forgotten about.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #146 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:50:26 »
Right. You guys are making it seem like I am saying the vendors don't deserve to make money, which is not what I am saying at all.
You guys make it seem like the vendors end up with no margin if they passed along the price drops, which is not true either.

Let me put it this way. I can't exactly remember which set it was that started to not offer price drops... but IIRC the reasoning for it was that it was too much work to manually refund each purchase. Which I completely understand and agree with.

Nowhere did I say that vendors should sit there and manually refund all those orders. I just merely asked, "Is it time the vendors figure out some system to bring back the price drops?"

Lets go back to the reason for getting rid of the price drops: It's too much work.

I totally agree, it is a ton of work and I wouldn't wish that tediousness upon anyone. However, what they are saying here is "It's too much work for me to pass along the price drops, so I'm just going to pocket the money."

$40,000 would go a long way to just explore the possibility of implementing a system for price drops. Instead, it is just pocketed because that's the easy (and profitable) thing to do.

You guys don't agree with me, that's fine. You guys can laugh at me and make fun of me, IDGAF. In the end, I'm just a drop in the ocean... little me not buying future sets will not affect sales at all and my opinion will be buried and forgotten about.
I just think a lot of people think there is some other pseudo relationship between vendors and buyers here. That's where the issue lies. This is a transactional business relationship. A buyer is only as useful as their wallet to vendors, and vendors are only as useful as the product they are selling. When you start trying to muck about some other pseudo ethics one way or another, things get spicy. The $ value is the only one that matters here. The vendors give the price before a buyer buys. Then the buyer pays. The fact that a vendor is pocketing extra dough doesn't matter because they set that price at the start, and the buyer is the one that acts afterward. When we all just realize this is nothing more but business everything can become really easy.
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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:58:09 »
Right. You guys are making it seem like I am saying the vendors don't deserve to make money, which is not what I am saying at all.
You guys make it seem like the vendors end up with no margin if they passed along the price drops, which is not true either.

Let me put it this way. I can't exactly remember which set it was that started to not offer price drops... but IIRC the reasoning for it was that it was too much work to manually refund each purchase. Which I completely understand and agree with.

Nowhere did I say that vendors should sit there and manually refund all those orders. I just merely asked, "Is it time the vendors figure out some system to bring back the price drops?"

Lets go back to the reason for getting rid of the price drops: It's too much work.

I totally agree, it is a ton of work and I wouldn't wish that tediousness upon anyone. However, what they are saying here is "It's too much work for me to pass along the price drops, so I'm just going to pocket the money."

$40,000 would go a long way to just explore the possibility of implementing a system for price drops. Instead, it is just pocketed because that's the easy (and profitable) thing to do.

You guys don't agree with me, that's fine. You guys can laugh at me and make fun of me, IDGAF. In the end, I'm just a drop in the ocean... little me not buying future sets will not affect sales at all and my opinion will be buried and forgotten about.

Question...

Do you go into Wal-mart and ask them what their profit margin is on everything you buy? Do you sit and try to nitpick with a checkout clerk at said Wal-mart because you think the price on that skim milk you're buying is too much? No, of course you don't. It's none of your business what their profit margin is, and the same thing relates to these keysets.

I'm glad these vendors are making $40,000 extra on these sets. If they take even 5% of that and roll it into the next project, then great. Even if they don't, great. Good on them for running a successful business. You should be grateful that there's businesses that allow us to purchase these products in a secure manner that offers you all the consumer protections. I'd much rather toss money to a reputable website instead of some random person that's just storing $40,000 in some paypal account that could be locked up at any time at even just a couple of reports.

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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 17:03:30 »
Right. You guys are making it seem like I am saying the vendors don't deserve to make money, which is not what I am saying at all.
You guys make it seem like the vendors end up with no margin if they passed along the price drops, which is not true either.

Let me put it this way. I can't exactly remember which set it was that started to not offer price drops... but IIRC the reasoning for it was that it was too much work to manually refund each purchase. Which I completely understand and agree with.

Nowhere did I say that vendors should sit there and manually refund all those orders. I just merely asked, "Is it time the vendors figure out some system to bring back the price drops?"

Lets go back to the reason for getting rid of the price drops: It's too much work.

I totally agree, it is a ton of work and I wouldn't wish that tediousness upon anyone. However, what they are saying here is "It's too much work for me to pass along the price drops, so I'm just going to pocket the money."

$40,000 would go a long way to just explore the possibility of implementing a system for price drops. Instead, it is just pocketed because that's the easy (and profitable) thing to do.

You guys don't agree with me, that's fine. You guys can laugh at me and make fun of me, IDGAF. In the end, I'm just a drop in the ocean... little me not buying future sets will not affect sales at all and my opinion will be buried and forgotten about.

Question...

Do you go into Wal-mart and ask them what their profit margin is on everything you buy? Do you sit and try to nitpick with a checkout clerk at said Wal-mart because you think the price on that skim milk you're buying is too much? No, of course you don't. It's none of your business what their profit margin is, and the same thing relates to these keysets.

I'm glad these vendors are making $40,000 extra on these sets. If they take even 5% of that and roll it into the next project, then great. Even if they don't, great. Good on them for running a successful business. You should be grateful that there's businesses that allow us to purchase these products in a secure manner that offers you all the consumer protections. I'd much rather toss money to a reputable website instead of some random person that's just storing $40,000 in some paypal account that could be locked up at any time at even just a couple of reports.
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Re: [GB] GMK Dracula — Final numbers! (Group buy closed)
« Reply #149 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 17:43:41 »
Terms and prices are set beforehand. It was clearly fair enough for many people to buy. If you don't like it don't buy it. If you can't help yourself, and are mad you couldn't save a few extra dollars, then you have other problems that you need to sort out.