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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:57:40 »
Really hyped for this. Like the industrial look. Agree with having hex screws to go with pop-out look. Rust color?

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:04:51 »
Agree with having hex screws to go with pop-out industrial look. How about a rust colorway?
In anyway, it's an instabuy!

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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:15:37 »
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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:36:17 »
Really nice board! Maybe a navy option would be nice...

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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 04 November 2019, 22:03:47 »
Oh man, I still need to build my SKB75 but I think I'd be in to double dip and grab one of these. Really love that beige.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 03:55:28 »
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 04:19:32 »
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

and hopefully I won't stop improving on this version as well.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 06:50:07 »
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

you often have that feeling because it's like that for most things you buy

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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 06:52:45 »
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

Imagine buying a brand new car, and then every year a new one comes out.

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 06:57:18 »
Imagine marrying your wife and every now and then you meet somebody better for you


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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:05:18 »
Imagine having your first child with your wife, and then your second child likes rubber domes


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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 09:18:19 »
I'm pretty new to the hobby and community, so forgive me if I'm asking something obvious. How does steel feel and sound like compared to aluminum or brass?

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 10:20:56 »
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

you often have that feeling because it's like that for most things you buy

In fairness to Vireca, that is most certainly not how most things work in this hobby. A lot of purchasing decisions with mechanical keyboard group buys are FOMO driven because usually a GB runs once and then that board is never produced again. Personally I bought an SKB75, and I'm super hyped for the opportunity to buy another one. But I can absolutely understand a person being disappointed in buying something they thought would never be available again only for an improved model to be announced not long after.
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 11:05:42 »
Imagine having your first child with your wife, and then your second child likes rubber domes

if your kid likes rubber domes, maybe you should have used a rubber dome that one time  :)) :)) :))

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 15:41:39 »
Wow nice, really interested

- the stand offs should really get a safety mod ;)
- you should allow multi vote on format factor in the sheet
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« Reply #66 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 17:08:14 »
Wow nice, really interested

- the stand offs should really get a safety mod ;)
- you should allow multi vote on format factor in the sheet

Yes, I agree. Will you offer different sizes standoffs like with the original SKB? I really like the larger size standoffs because you can sink the caps deeper in the keyboard body

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« Reply #67 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 21:44:26 »
any plans on making a TKL?

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 23:15:40 »
Looks great Plastik. Let's hope you have better luck than in the SKB1 buy ;) Can't wait for this one.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 02:43:14 »
Will there be an Alps plate?

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« Reply #70 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 03:05:57 »
looking very nice! Any pics of bottom of the case?

made an explosion illustration, this shows the bottom part as well:
(Attachment Link)

Would like to join this GB as well and love the idea of a matching case for classic beige color.

A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?

Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 04:05:16 »
Got a 75% skb1 and I love it. Using longer standoffs as well to sink the keycaps further, as others have described. Was contemplating giving the case another finish, but now with r2 announced I will probably keep it original.

Wishlist goes like this:
  • 50% (pretty please! A layout like e.g. Lynx L50, Kingfisher would be awesome!)
  • Alice (so one could use the projectkeyboards pcb)
  • 65% with arrow-blocker or 75% with bauer-style blockers
  • TKL, just to have it. Beige would be dope.


my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ?  :D

This could actually be pretty useful for work.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #72 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 04:28:55 »
Interested, looks great. 0 degree angle is something you're not interested in making?

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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 05:25:47 »
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout...  ;D

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 06:21:46 »

my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ?  :D
This could actually be pretty useful for work.

I can not help but to concur with this opinion. That said, it would definitely look odd. :-D

(I'd want to suggest putting a hole on both sides of the top case, but I get the feeling that it wouldn't be for the best - let's all agree to give PlastikSchnittstelle the final say in the matter  :D )

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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 08:50:00 »
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout...  ;D

Where can I find said PCB??

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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 08:52:42 »
A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?

Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.

Was mentioned somewhere a few posts back that it is not possible to powder coat screws as it obviously messes with the texture and measurements etc. They can be anodised but not sure if there's a plan for that.

I personally like the look of the screws as is, it's a pretty distinctive signature look to the board but looking into counter-sinking them isn't a bad idea - if nothing else, it'd be interesting to see how it changes the look.

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« Reply #77 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 09:24:30 »
A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?

Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.

Was mentioned somewhere a few posts back that it is not possible to powder coat screws as it obviously messes with the texture and measurements etc. They can be anodised but not sure if there's a plan for that.

I personally like the look of the screws as is, it's a pretty distinctive signature look to the board but looking into counter-sinking them isn't a bad idea - if nothing else, it'd be interesting to see how it changes the look.

I remember counter-sinking the screws was mentioned also in R1, but sourcing the right screws and the details might be complicated.
I seek for consistent looks with not too busy design languages and therefore asked for the matching screw colors again (perhaps I can look for white POM screws), but I totally agree with the industrial look of the SKB keyboards as its design signature.
Still too poor to complete the builds of my SKB75 and SKB60 but everything looks really nice there.
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 09:48:08 »
I followed the IC for the original but somehow missed that it ever went to GB. I'm interested in this. I'll read through everything and provide some feedback if I have any later.
Maybe they're waiting for gasmasks and latex to get sexy again.

The world has become a weird place.

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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 10:10:27 »
I'm currently working on the different versions, TKL, 65wBlockers and some others. Also trying to find some RAL colors that goe well with some accent colors of nice/popular sets. this takes time, maybe I'll have something to show later this day but tomorrow is more likely.

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« Reply #80 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 15:56:27 »
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:

229609-0 229611-1 229613-2

with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
here the angle is set to 10 degree.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).
« Last Edit: Wed, 06 November 2019, 16:21:16 by PlastikSchnittstelle »

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« Reply #81 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 16:15:14 »
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).

I might build this exact render. Looking forward to other potential color choices! Definitely in for a TKL.

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« Reply #82 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 17:56:03 »
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
here the angle is set to 10 degree.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).

I'll take two of those in black. Thank you.  :thumb:

Or one black and the other one in a different color (will review when the definitive list of 'em is available).

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« Reply #83 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 18:11:59 »
...and here is a possible 65% version with blockers. angle is at 12 degree. RAL7044, which fits the alpha base color of TA90 very well, also well with the base color of classic beige modifiers aka U9:

229617-0 229619-1 229621-2

will work on more tomorrow

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« Reply #84 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 18:29:37 »
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.

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« Reply #85 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 18:46:37 »
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.

Agreed, lemme see black with Dolch. mmm hmm.

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« Reply #86 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 23:16:28 »
That 65% version looks great! How much did the first version cost again? And are you planning on supporting the boardwalk again?

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« Reply #87 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 02:54:03 »
100% in.

Filled the IC form with 65% and beige but other options are welcome as well. Curious what other colors would look like.

I am also curious what a 65% without the bottom left CTRL would look like (HHKB + 65%).

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« Reply #88 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 03:34:38 »
In the past I've owned the very nice apple a1243 keyboard.

It would be nice to replicate that look, not necessarily through anodization, but simply with a transparent and protective layer which prevents the oxydation of the aluminium.

Painting aluminium is very complicated and it often ends up with a fragile finish. I wonder how the first released skb cases are doing...

Just to give an example, the first mountain bike frames had fragile coatings, while now the industry has gotten really better, I don't know if the use some primers or if they make a temperature controlled treatmen by heating the frame.

Anyway I've a very big fan of your project, I'm looking for a tkl is keyboard (not decided yet on the wkl or standard bottom row). Anyway, if you could include a pcb along with the case, that would be a nice effort.

Another question, how big is the bezel on the bottom and left side, measured from the keys?

thanks


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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 03:43:36 »
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
here the angle is set to 10 degree.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).
100% getting a TKL, looks so good. Interested in what colors you decide to offer.

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« Reply #90 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 03:45:28 »
:O, tkl would be interesting for sure :)

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« Reply #91 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 05:22:46 »
Very interested after seeing how great round 1 turned out. I agree with you completely on 60% being the best looking size. Is there a reason you removed the 2 screws on the side of the board from round 1? Aesthetically I feel like the 2 screws really hammered home the industrial look of the board. Also if you were to do an alice variant, would you be able to bend the steel to fit the curves of the alice or would it just be rectangular with alice layout?

Count me in for one, great job!
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« Reply #92 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 05:24:24 »
I am a simple man:
I see SKB I get wet.

Will it be possible to buy just some parts, and are they (partly) interchangable with v1?
I am mostly hungering for a Fullsize Board...

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« Reply #93 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:22:35 »
Just to throw in some more ideas as Plastik is rendering more goodies.

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Possibilities of m3 hex screws:
1. painted with "thermosetting coating material, resistant to abrasion and screw driver damage"


2. nylon


3. stainless steel




I dig the beige color matching idea, and there are some other possible case finishes:
1. "Brushed" and bare


2. "Satin" and bare (sandblasted)


3. "Antiqued" and bare




About small cases, I suddenly thought of this PCB offered on a German web store the mini "Alpha Pingmaster"
https://keycapsss.com/keyboard-parts/pcb/84/alpha-pcb-28-key-semi-ortholinear-mechanical-keyboard


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« Reply #94 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:26:04 »
- you should allow multi vote on format factor in the sheet

multivote, yes, should have done that. changing the form after starting messes everything up. it is just for me to get a rough idea of where we are heading. much later, after I've made more sizes/versions and have come up with more color options, there will be another form in which all can choose more specifically.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #95 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:27:25 »
Will you offer different sizes standoffs like with the original SKB? I really like the larger size standoffs because you can sink the caps deeper in the keyboard body

this time I want the spacing between PCB and bottom as minimal as possible in order to get the first keyrow as low as possible. SKB1 was already very low, but there was still enough room for PCBs with hot-swap sockets. in the current prototype a 5mm standoff is used, together with the buffer/dampener/decoupler (really not sure what's the best fitting vocabular here), the overall plate depth is now 8mm. SKB1 you could get a plate depth of 9mm when using the 7mm standoffs. this submerged the caps so deep, when pressing down the two middle rows, the keys would sink completely below the keyboard frame. I think 8mm plate depth is already very deep and I'm not aware of other boards that do that.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #96 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:29:48 »
Will there be an Alps plate?

I made some custom alps plates for SKB1 (you really should chheck out the junior ping alps version on DT!). like mentioned before, I'll help anyone who wants a custom plate, alps or other. if we know more certain, what sizes/version will be made, we can check if there are enough alps users who can agree on one alps-plate-layout. if that will be the case, then it can be offered with the GB. too early to say.

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« Reply #97 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:38:06 »
A few questions:
  • is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
  • is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
  • is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?
  • Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.

  • what you describe is basically a "KANTENSCHUTZPROFIL" and YES, that's exactly what I plan on trying out on the next prototype.
  • it is not about the price. there is more to it. when bending sheet metal there is a zone around the bend line in which no holes should be, otherwise they get deformed. when I'm already close to that zone, making the wholes bigger by drilling them up for countersunk screws, I'll obviously get a problem. the flat heads of countersunk screws actually have a bigger diameter then button or socket heads. it's either you like the screws having a prominent role in the design or not, they are a key part of the whole design and mounting concept.
  • powerboat?!
  • more smoothly: YES, SKB1 was terrible. combining sheet metal bending aluminum, bead blasting and anodizing was just a nightmare. like mentioned back in the GB thread there, every time I got another prototype and problem fixed, some other problem came up, there was always something unexpected. changed the manufacturer twice, it was horrible. I learned a lot and working with steel is a completely different thing. prototypes turned out exactly how expected. I'm sure this will be a smooth run. much quicker!

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #98 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:43:40 »

my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ?  :D
This could actually be pretty useful for work.

I can not help but to concur with this opinion. That said, it would definitely look odd. :-D

(I'd want to suggest putting a hole on both sides of the top case, but I get the feeling that it wouldn't be for the best - let's all agree to give PlastikSchnittstelle the final say in the matter  :D )

this is obviously a feature that only very few would like to see on their board. most wouldn't want to have such a cutout on their board - I don't need to make a google-form for that. but it is a feature that is very simple to implement into this design. so when we know which sizes/versions will be made, then I can check if there is a big enough group that can agree one one size/version and wants that kensington lock/cutout, then I could offer this as special version. too early to say.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
« Reply #99 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:44:36 »
Interested, looks great. 0 degree angle is something you're not interested in making?

this would completely change the whole design, it would be something else entirely. I did try accomplishing 4 degree (currently 6 degree is the lowest angle) but it wasn't possible without sacrificing too much other important design aspects.