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Offline noahf

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[IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 13:24:15 »
The teaser

******BUILD STREAM LIVE ON TopClack today, 11/17 @ 12pm PST******

The Story
I really like 65% keyboards. Something about dedicated arrow keys. But I also really like split boards. I think there was a time in the 90's when I would read 2600 or PC Mag and I would dream of owning a super cool ergo board. The fancy split microsoft boards. But I never owned one. But I have always had that ergo life in me. I enjoyed the em7, but it was big. I really enjoy the Alice, but its like a super model and what I need is a bottom. So thats what this is designed to be: semi ergo workhorse that has all the features I like and allows for my wrists to go home happy at the end of the day. Ive been through almost 40 "high end" keyboards this year, and though this wont be my "end game" board, my goal is for it to be my daily board that I use for everything. And instead of having 10+ boards I can have 3-5. Hopefully some of you are looking for something similar.

The Name: Doppelgänger. Needs no explanation.

The Details
  • Split 65%++ With Macro Pad
  • Top Mount
  • 6 degree typing angle
  • Split or Unsplit
  • Bottom Row: 1.25 1 1.25 2.25 1 2.75 1.25 1 1.25
  • QMK firmware
  • Left: single plate, full left shift or split
  • Right: iso plate, ansi plate + split bs option
  • Same pcb on both sides
  • USB-C for all connections
  • There are 4 USB-C connectors. 2 on each half. the insides will connect the boards together. The outsides give you the option of connecting to the PC. So it can come form the left, or from the right.
  • The case angles are 90 degrees from the plane on which it sits. This is a small detail that would normally be lost. Most keyboads have the same angle as their typing angle, but I really wanted a 90 degree. It just gives it a good stature on the desk.
  • Dimensions:
    Left half: 189.449 mm L * 117.351 mm W * 32.358 mm D
    right half: 194.305 mm D * 117.351 mm W * 32.358 mm D


The Proto/Design
This started its life back in June. I worked with Westfoxtrot to get the drawings where I wanted them. Yiancar designed a PCB to work. Then it started getting built in August. It has a high failure rate on the tops because the design had a top that increased 1.8 degrees more than the plate, so that the top row would be 2.5mm sucken into the top of the board.) So that will change. But now I have a real proto, and it will be built by Jae of Top Clack on 11/17.

Revisions
After the build stream, the board is going to hop in a box and then get shipped to me. Once on hand, Ill do a through inspection and qc, and make some changes. There are already a few things that will change. One is the top angle. The next are the blocker vents will be increased in size very slightly. Right now they are the 1u size, but instead I will match them to the case and not the switch size. There will be a logo/print engraved on the weights. There may be some other small revisions.

Interest Check
Ill get a form going on 11/18 for feedback and wishes. Most things are set but if there is an overwhelming request for something or some new epiphany, I will make the revisions. This will take us into early December.

Communication
I will be running this through GH. I will not have a discord server or discord updates. Everthing will be communicated through here, including additional pictures/videos. I am available here or Discord, so if you want to chat and just talk about anything, the stars alignment or how lemon water is delicious, dm me or im noahf#2971 on discord.

Group Buy

Im hoping this can be ran early December. If everything is good and I can get all the revisions done by end of month, I dont see why that cant happen early December. If not, then it may get moved Jan. The goal is 40 units, fcfs. I dont see this being super hard to get. Price is expected to be 375 shipped to CONUS, with a little more (real shipping costs) for international shipping.
GB Options: Most important: Colors will be black, silver, and then one or two colors. Maybe purple, red, or navy. I will need ano chips before moving forward on color. Plate options: Left plate is the same for all, right plate will be either ISO or ANSI. Plate materials: plan to offer brass, alu, pc, pom, cf. Brass will likely be default because why not.

Two Fancy Additional Goals

To provide some type of tenting/palm rest option. Also to get a cable maker to do a fancy interconnect cable that will make your reddit posts really pop.

Special Thanks
Westfoxtrot for design + imagination + patience
Yiancar for pcb design + production + patience
Jae for input + building this thing
VonSwoopington for taking all my money and entertaining me
Classy for rush lubing switches for a build stream and getting the rush delivered to UK for me.

Update Log
  • 11/18: Stream went well and board will be on its way to the US later this week. Once here ill update the thread on all the little things and try to get it fine tuned.
  • 11/18b: mykeyboard.eu will be the official EU friendly place to buy. Details to come but im excited to make it easier/cheaper for the euro crowd.
  • 12/5: Proto has arrived state side! Its a real beaut, clark. Salvun is going to be doing a Proto where we try and save the top design and have an EU manu. This is going to delay gb into 2020 as we try and keep the design true. Expect some updates in early jan with the new Proto.

Photos










PCB Layout Options:



Renders:






PCB Renders




Failed experimentation



I tried to do a top angle that was different from the plate, so that gmk style keycaps would "sink" a little towards the top, allowing for the top blockers to really "pop" and not get lost. Sadly, this had a really high failure rate. a 2-3 week proto took 2-3 months. So the top will be boring.
« Last Edit: Thu, 05 December 2019, 17:24:40 by noahf »

Offline noahf

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 13:24:34 »
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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 13:31:58 »
looks really nice, good luck!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 13:37:47 »
Dead excited to build this tomorrow!!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 13:38:13 »
This just looks amazing, beautiful board 10/10 would smash

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 14:04:10 »
Good luck!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 14:54:56 »
This looks great! Bummer the top didn't work out, I really like that idea

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 14:59:20 »
This looks good . Looking forward to the build stream.
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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 15:46:27 »
The protos look nice! I'd be in for purple  ;D
I would like those grills slightly further away from the keys though.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 15:52:51 »
Pictures are not working for me

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 16:08:44 »
 This looks amazing, great job on the design. Looking forward to more split customs in the future.
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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 16:09:36 »
Hype. Love the double macro columns.

I don't care for arrows, but I'll still join. :)

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 17:15:54 »
This is really pretty. Any word on color options yet?

And will PCB be hotswap?


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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 17:18:19 »
This is really pretty. Any word on color options yet?

And will PCB be hotswap?


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Oops, just read through again and saw that you have some color options in mind already.

I would love to see a white option if possible!


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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 17:24:17 »
dig the top left and top right symmetry. could be a buy

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 18:31:34 »
 Very nice!

Just one suggestion; make the sale a raffle (buy window of a couple hours) and not fcfs, that way people from all over the world have the same chance. Not just people living in the best time-zone with no latency internet.


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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 18:43:42 »
Looking awesome! I read everything and did not see what firmware this is using. QMK, I hope?

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 21:41:47 »
dig the top left and top right symmetry. could be a buy
Love u noahf, so I gotta bring it up

 

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 00:22:30 »
dig the top left and top right symmetry. could be a buy
Love u noahf, so I gotta bring it up

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like i said there will be revisions. which is why theres a proto before a qb. ty for pointing it out, it will be adjusted for final.

Looking awesome! I read everything and did not see what firmware this is using. QMK, I hope?

Ah yeah, sorry. QMK is correct. Ill add that to the description.

Very nice!

Just one suggestion; make the sale a raffle (buy window of a couple hours) and not fcfs, that way people from all over the world have the same chance. Not just people living in the best time-zone with no latency internet.


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Very possible. In all honesty, i didnt expect such positive feedback, so wasnt expecting fcfs to be an issue on 40 units. I thought it would be in the "days" for open. but if demand is there, i will consider a raffle, similar to keycult style, but with less aggressive windows.

This is really pretty. Any word on color options yet?

And will PCB be hotswap?


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Oops, just read through again and saw that you have some color options in mind already.

I would love to see a white option if possible!


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ill run a google forms to see what color people want. as of right now, no hot swap options.
Hype. Love the double macro columns.

I don't care for arrows, but I'll still join. :)

thanks fireworm.

This looks amazing, great job on the design. Looking forward to more split customs in the future.

thanks! me too. splits are fun.

Pictures are not working for me

moving pictures to imgur. sorry for that.

The protos look nice! I'd be in for purple  ;D
I would like those grills slightly further away from the keys though.


they will be adjusted. right now they are basically right above where the switch would go because thats where an LED lives. but i think the final will be more symetrical to the top.

This looks good . Looking forward to the build stream.

me too!

This looks great! Bummer the top didn't work out, I really like that idea

thank you! yeah it would have been nice but the failure rate was just toooo high.

Good luck!

thanks X 1 milly to you sir!

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This just looks amazing, beautiful board 10/10 would smash
thank you!

Dead excited to build this tomorrow!!

 so am i! lets go already!

looks really nice, good luck!


thanks!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 00:53:15 »
this is beautiful, good luck w/ gb!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 01:27:17 »
Looks great! Def following this!

Just some quality of life suggestions.

It's pretty hard to read your wall of next and it took me a bit to look for certain aspects of information.

I'd suggest just making the headings of each section bold just to make browsing quicker and easier to find things. Also a "$" in front of the priceso i can just crt-f .

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 01:38:51 »
Definitely interested in getting a set. Looks like good splits are finally starting to show up. 2020 is looking good!

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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 01:41:09 »
This looks fantastic.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 09:46:19 »
Want, need, gimme

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 10:03:13 »
Dead excited to build this tomorrow!!

BUILD STREAM TODAY! LETS GO! 4 hours from now.

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[IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 10:07:46 »
Where’s the build stream gonna be?

Edit: nevermind I read OP.
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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 10:14:47 »
Where’s the build stream gonna be?


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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 10:16:30 »
Where’s the build stream gonna be?


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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 12:37:18 »
Stream in about 90 mins folks!!

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 12:39:41 »
This looks pretty incredible, I'm in the market for a 65% and it's hard to pass up one with macro keys and a fixed ISO plate! Nice to see a UK builder too.

Will this have any kinda magnet system to hold it together in the middle? Looking forward to the IC for colour options!

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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 13:23:08 »
dig the top left and top right symmetry. could be a buy
Love u noahf, so I gotta bring it up

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the distance here is the same, must be the photos making it look otherwise

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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 14:01:28 »
stream is live!

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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 16:33:44 »
Love this concept.

Would a 1.25 - 1.25 - 1.25 - Spacebar - Spacebar - 1.25 - 1.25 bottom row be possible? Didn’t do the math but I assume it would fit without the third key between the Spacebars.

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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 17:42:07 »
Very unique and cool concept, definitely interested  :thumb:

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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 19:20:20 »
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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 03:27:54 »
Just watched the stream recording, the board looks very interesting and high quality, will definitely try to get in!

I hope you wouldn't mind my totally unsolicited suggestion and a terribly executed sketch, fingers crossed it gets my idea across. As previously mentioned align "the grill" to balance the case cutouts rather than key position, outer edge of the grill should be aligned with the outer edge of cutouts, hopefully my sketch explains that decently well. Same on the other side

Regarding LED's if it's not possible to make the light nice, diffuse and uniform across the whole grill, then I think it's not worth the trouble, it'll make the board feel cheaper. One can always turn off the LED I guess, but you lose the opportunity to put something cool there instead, like and insert or something. 


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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 03:53:56 »
期待

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 08:27:18 »
Yay more split boards. Any idea on what it would be the estimated shipping to Canada?

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 10:54:51 »
Love this concept.

Would a 1.25 - 1.25 - 1.25 - Spacebar - Spacebar - 1.25 - 1.25 bottom row be possible? Didn’t do the math but I assume it would fit without the third key between the Spacebars.

im not 100% sure but i dont think so because: it would mean you would have a 3.0 space bar on the left. it would need to be 1.5 1.25 1.5 2.25 and that feels a little weird to me. i like the idea of using that key a FN layer and it works well with thumb placement.

Very unique and cool concept, definitely interested  :thumb:

thank you!
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Just watched the stream recording, the board looks very interesting and high quality, will definitely try to get in!

I hope you wouldn't mind my totally unsolicited suggestion and a terribly executed sketch, fingers crossed it gets my idea across. As previously mentioned align "the grill" to balance the case cutouts rather than key position, outer edge of the grill should be aligned with the outer edge of cutouts, hopefully my sketch explains that decently well. Same on the other side

Regarding LED's if it's not possible to make the light nice, diffuse and uniform across the whole grill, then I think it's not worth the trouble, it'll make the board feel cheaper. One can always turn off the LED I guess, but you lose the opportunity to put something cool there instead, like and insert or something. 

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yeah, i already know exactly what you are talking about. im waiting for it to be here in person so that i can get the fealing figured out. also there is a lot of talk already about figuring out a diffuser plate. ill update when details are solid.


期待

thanks?

Yay more split boards. Any idea on what it would be the estimated shipping to Canada?

i would expect Canada to be 10-20 dollars more? USPS has decent flat rate rates, but i havnt deep dived into it yet.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 15:00:45 »
Stream link -

any questions on my experience with the board - happy to oblige :D

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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 15:12:24 »
Saw this on stream and loved it. Watching this project with interest and will likely try to get one!

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« Reply #42 on: Tue, 19 November 2019, 02:52:27 »
Looks great! Very imposing look. Layout also works well for me and I like the idea of the C-C connection between the halves. Personally not a fan of the blocker vents since I really like the look and retro throwback of a full 2x5 macro column. I also spy Alps mount in the PCB, my interest is definitely checked.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 19 November 2019, 07:28:45 »
Is this gonna be shipped from any proxy in EU ? (asking because taxes)
I am interested.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 19 November 2019, 07:56:04 »
Is this gonna be shipped from any proxy in EU ? (asking because taxes)
I am interested.

From the first post:

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11/18b: mykearboard.eu will be the official EU friendly place to buy. Details to come but im excited to make it easier/cheaper for the euro crowd.

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:04:06 »
Just when my European wallet thought it was safe for a change...  :))

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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:32:36 »
Inject this into my veins!  This is very exciting.
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« Reply #47 on: Sat, 23 November 2019, 19:32:02 »
I am on this like flies on manure

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 07:41:38 »
This is great, but I have to say I'm not completely convinced by the vents, something about them seems a little off (besides the previously highlighted spacing issues), like they were taken from another board.

I understand the appeal of symmetry but I think that it would be better to have the left columns be "complete" too.

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 08:04:01 »
I also think it would be better without the top left blocker for a more complete looking macro pad, although the double blockers are also nice for the symmetrical aspect.

100% trying to get in on this regardless. Board looked amazing on stream!

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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 09:55:01 »
Rotary encoder for the top right? Nice for custom looks and functionality.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 30 November 2019, 12:00:16 »
Quick Update: things havnt been idle, but a lot of "behind the scenes" have been happening. I am working close with mykeyboard.eu and trying to get some things going. The board is currently on its way to me and should be here before LA meetup. Its looking like the GB will be delayed a little bit because of this, but we will see. Also, theres a possibility of another manu that may try and do the top and keep the angles of the top true to its design. im quite excited about that and am working closely to see if its possible.

Saw this on stream and loved it. Watching this project with interest and will likely try to get one!

thanks! Jae did a great job.

Looks great! Very imposing look. Layout also works well for me and I like the idea of the C-C connection between the halves. Personally not a fan of the blocker vents since I really like the look and retro throwback of a full 2x5 macro column. I also spy Alps mount in the PCB, my interest is definitely checked.
theres design choices and practical choices, and those are a design choice. I do hope to offer alps...

Is this gonna be shipped from any proxy in EU ? (asking because taxes)
I am interested.

yes this will be shipped from mykeyboard.eu to help the euro's

Just when my European wallet thought it was safe for a change...  :))

no rest for the wicked

Inject this into my veins!  This is very exciting.

injection coming soon!
I am on this like flies on manure

ill take that as a compliment!

This is great, but I have to say I'm not completely convinced by the vents, something about them seems a little off (besides the previously highlighted spacing issues), like they were taken from another board.

I understand the appeal of symmetry but I think that it would be better to have the left columns be "complete" too.

design. these were not copied from another board. originally the spaces were just blockers, but I added them to create a little depth and symmetry between the 2 sides.


I also think it would be better without the top left blocker for a more complete looking macro pad, although the double blockers are also nice for the symmetrical aspect.

100% trying to get in on this regardless. Board looked amazing on stream!


with this much feedback, maybe ill see if I can get a render of a "functional" left macro pad vs mine, but no promises.

Rotary encoder for the top right? Nice for custom looks and functionality.

rotary encoders have their place, just not on these board.







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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 17:25:37 »
A new Proto is happening with Salvun to try and keep the top angle true to design. Materials have been ordered and should hopefully be done soonish. Ill update when I know more.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 18:20:36 »
A new Proto is happening with Salvun to try and keep the top angle true to design. Materials have been ordered and should hopefully be done soonish. Ill update when I know more.
Great news!  So excited for this board!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 06:00:28 »
A new Proto is happening with Salvun to try and keep the top angle true to design. Materials have been ordered and should hopefully be done soonish. Ill update when I know more.

I don't quite understand this, what's wrong with the top angle? (do you mean the general angle of the board?)

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 06:30:03 »
A new Proto is happening with Salvun to try and keep the top angle true to design. Materials have been ordered and should hopefully be done soonish. Ill update when I know more.

I don't quite understand this, what's wrong with the top angle? (do you mean the general angle of the board?)

Not sure you followed this but the proto Jae built had the top a little bit lower - the more you go up, the deeper the plate sits. That was hell to manufacture and the prototype took a really long time to be made. Noah is looking into options to not drop that feature :)

Jae talking about that on his build stream:
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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 10:07:38 »

Not sure you followed this but the proto Jae built had the top a little bit lower - the more you go up, the deeper the plate sits. That was hell to manufacture and the prototype took a really long time to be made. Noah is looking into options to not drop that feature :)

Jae talking about that on his build stream:

I get it now, Thanks for the link. I hadn't watched the stream until now. The board looks NICE. I'm even coming around to the "incomplete" macro columns on the left.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 23 December 2019, 08:57:16 »
Looking really good, glad to hear about the new proto.

Will rose gold be a colour option like in the renders?

Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 23 December 2019, 12:01:23 »
Will rose gold be a colour option like in the renders?

I hope so too!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 09 January 2020, 06:38:30 »
Eagerly awaiting news of the new proto!

I also wondered: Where is this shipping from? I've seen mention of the UK and the US, and I know that Salvun is in the EU...

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 04 February 2020, 00:18:58 »
This looks pretty cool!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 21:04:53 »
Eagerly awaiting news of the new proto!

I also wondered: Where is this shipping from? I've seen mention of the UK and the US, and I know that Salvun is in the EU...

New proto has been in development for quite some time, trying to get everything right for Manu. If you are in EU, it will ship from EU (mykeyboard.eu) but ROW will ship from USA.

This looks pretty cool!
thanks rmendis! I will dm you when gb is going to go live so you don't miss out.



Update: We have been working on a new Proto and its just taking time. There have been a lot of changes to the CAD files to help Manu be a bit easier, nothing that changes the aesthetic/function of the board though. A lot of internal stuff. Once its good and Salvun runs it, photos/build will be posted.


Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 21:17:27 »
We’re all still interested! Glad to hear it’s coming along.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 23:31:44 »
This looks fantastic! Going to be following this one closely

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 05 March 2020, 00:13:47 »
I'd love to get in on this, been looking for something similar to the VE.A for a while and I'm glad I found this.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 05 March 2020, 00:55:50 »
Hello!

This boards awesome, great work. I do have 1 suggestion however. I've been using a pseudo split board like this for a few months now and what i've found is that people who use their left hand for spacebar press the spacebar with their thumb approximately under where the f key meets the g key. To that end, I'd recommend you add options for the bottom row that allow more flexibility to users because right now i think the layout would be annoying with the thumb hitting the 1u key.

Check out what VIA 2nd did for example in the image below.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 08 March 2020, 22:39:10 »
Salvuns proto work looks tight. Def excited for this. What purpose does the grill in the upper left/right serve?

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« Reply #67 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 12:20:47 »
Good concept!
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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #68 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 01:13:18 »
Any chance of PCB only sale?

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #69 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 13:59:06 »
Did I miss this? I want a board like this but I'm to inpatient for the Quefrency Rev.2. =)

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 07 April 2020, 19:18:03 »
This is super cool. Is there any update about when the GB will take place?

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 04:38:31 »
I really like this project. Will keep an eye  ;)

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 07:36:46 »
This boards awesome, great work. I do have 1 suggestion however. I've been using a pseudo split board like this for a few months now and what i've found is that people who use their left hand for spacebar press the spacebar with their thumb approximately under where the f key meets the g key. To that end, I'd recommend you add options for the bottom row that allow more flexibility to users because right now i think the layout would be annoying with the thumb hitting the 1u key.

As a left thumb spacebar user, I can confirm that this is true and very important to take into account.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 17:55:08 »
Curious if there are any updates on this going to GB. My excitement for this board just keeps growing and growing!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 18:25:29 »
Curious if there are any updates on this going to GB. My excitement for this board just keeps growing and growing!
Think on Instagram salvun showed he was still working on the proto.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 28 April 2020, 14:48:23 »
Love the layout - hope I can get into the GB :)

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 28 April 2020, 17:43:01 »
love this layout. in!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 28 April 2020, 19:26:35 »
This boards awesome, great work. I do have 1 suggestion however. I've been using a pseudo split board like this for a few months now and what i've found is that people who use their left hand for spacebar press the spacebar with their thumb approximately under where the f key meets the g key. To that end, I'd recommend you add options for the bottom row that allow more flexibility to users because right now i think the layout would be annoying with the thumb hitting the 1u key.

As a left thumb spacebar user, I can confirm that this is true and very important to take into account.

ill look into offering that bottom row on the right side as an option. It should be possible.


Curious if there are any updates on this going to GB. My excitement for this board just keeps growing and growing!
oh you are too nice. the proto is being worked on, new material has been ordered for the bottom piece. Both top and bot have been ran in the cnc, just waiting on material for a new bottom run and then hopefully finishing process? ive been bugging Salvun more and more

Love the layout - hope I can get into the GB :)

love this layout. in!


thanks! soonish, hopefully. its been almost a year in the making  :-X

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 03:21:39 »
So glad I tuned in before this has gone to GB. Any movement on the 40 units? After some love on reddit lately, maybe you guys could do a few more for those of us who aren't so fast to order...

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 11:13:15 »
So glad I tuned in before this has gone to GB. Any movement on the 40 units? After some love on reddit lately, maybe you guys could do a few more for those of us who aren't so fast to order...

This. A split custom of this quality with a staggered layout is my white whale. But I'm afraid of the disappointment not to be quick enough to score a specimen this rare.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 11:23:30 »

So glad I tuned in before this has gone to GB. Any movement on the 40 units? After some love on reddit lately, maybe you guys could do a few more for those of us who aren't so fast to order...

This. A split custom of this quality with a staggered layout is my white whale. But I'm afraid of the disappointment not to be quick enough to score a specimen this rare.

currently the plan is 20 for euro and 40 for ROW. Its going to be a QC nightmare. Its a fine line between this: supplying enough so everyone may have one and keeping price "normal", and keeping quantity low enough that I am actually able to QC and ship them in a reasonable time. I dont want to be in a spot where it takes me 8 months to ship boards because it takes me forever to get through QC. Once new proto is in and things are closer, I will see what kind of demand there is and see what I can do about numbers.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 13:37:56 »

So glad I tuned in before this has gone to GB. Any movement on the 40 units? After some love on reddit lately, maybe you guys could do a few more for those of us who aren't so fast to order...

This. A split custom of this quality with a staggered layout is my white whale. But I'm afraid of the disappointment not to be quick enough to score a specimen this rare.

- My sentiments exactly!!

Honestly I'll take any board with a split backspace and an arrow cluster - but then make it a split board on top of that and I'm super psyched!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 22:41:45 »
very interested... would definitely buy this

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 05:52:49 »
This boards awesome, great work. I do have 1 suggestion however. I've been using a pseudo split board like this for a few months now and what i've found is that people who use their left hand for spacebar press the spacebar with their thumb approximately under where the f key meets the g key. To that end, I'd recommend you add options for the bottom row that allow more flexibility to users because right now i think the layout would be annoying with the thumb hitting the 1u key.

As a left thumb spacebar user, I can confirm that this is true and very important to take into account.

ill look into offering that bottom row on the right side as an option. It should be possible.


Curious if there are any updates on this going to GB. My excitement for this board just keeps growing and growing!
oh you are too nice. the proto is being worked on, new material has been ordered for the bottom piece. Both top and bot have been ran in the cnc, just waiting on material for a new bottom run and then hopefully finishing process? ive been bugging Salvun more and more

Love the layout - hope I can get into the GB :)

love this layout. in!


thanks! soonish, hopefully. its been almost a year in the making  :-X


For what its worth with regards to the bottom row layout, I’ve been using an entry lvl split board, the ymdk sp64, but i mainly use the spacebar on the right thumb. I actually use the 1u key next to the left spacebar with my thumb to access the second layer on the left side easily! So if you fidn a way to accomplish both layouts I think id be really good !! :) anyways wanted to say highly interested in this too! Saw it on reddit but havent heard about it so I  thought itd been shelved, but really happy its still in progress!!! Keep up the good work noahf!!


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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 03 June 2020, 09:04:26 »
Any updates on this?

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 21:53:44 »
Any updates on this?

I'm really hoping the project's fine, I'd love to get one.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #86 on: Tue, 09 June 2020, 08:30:54 »
This boards awesome, great work. I do have 1 suggestion however. I've been using a pseudo split board like this for a few months now and what i've found is that people who use their left hand for spacebar press the spacebar with their thumb approximately under where the f key meets the g key. To that end, I'd recommend you add options for the bottom row that allow more flexibility to users because right now i think the layout would be annoying with the thumb hitting the 1u key.

As a left thumb spacebar user, I can confirm that this is true and very important to take into account.

ill look into offering that bottom row on the right side as an option. It should be possible.

I'm a bit late to the party, but I'm glad to hear this and I'm eager to see what you come up with for a left space configuration. I think 1.5–1–1.5–2.75 (left) and 2.25–1.5–1–1.5 (right) is a pretty good contender.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #87 on: Tue, 09 June 2020, 17:32:19 »
I’m not a left thumb spacer but agree the left space should go the outside and swap positions with the FN key.


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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 02 July 2020, 08:29:28 »
Is Doppelganger dead?  Even if not, the way that FCFS sales go now, with only 40 units available there is basically 0 chance of landing one of these. :(  Guaranteed this would sell out in less than 30 seconds.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #89 on: Fri, 03 July 2020, 19:52:08 »
Update:

Doppelganger is not dead. Ive actually been using it exclusively for the last 4 months when in lockdown. I really enjoy the split feature and find my self adjusting my board throughout the day to stay comfortable.

Regarding proto: TL;DR there were some issues with the original files/design that made it very tricky to machine. Salvun was trying to solve these with tooling but finally ran into a roadblock where that was no longer possible. I worked with Max to get these issues resolved (really he did all the work and I just asked him to do it and bribed him with coffee) and now have files that should allow Salvun to run the proto asap. Basically: the inside wall (the part that joins the split) was too deep/tall for the radius we were using (really sharp) and so the tool couldnt get in and cut it correctly. so now its a bit more "rounded" but should allow for easier manufacturing. We also changed how the bottom meets the top on this inside seem to get rid of some tricky areas. Overall, nothing huge to the design or feature of the board, just some of the minor details.

As for the left space bar/fn issue: Ive decided to offer this as the solution:
 


And I am trying to get this version ran for the proto:



I think I will run non blocker for the GB.

Salvun said he would get this in the queue asap and the files have been delivered to him. Once this is actually made, Ill announce GB. Things have changed ALOT in the scene from when I first started this project and its been over a year. Back then, 40 units (and then +20 for euro) seemed like a lot of units. Nowadays, 40 or 60 units are sold in under 10 seconds. So I will revisit quantity and all that stuff. But remember, I am just a single human that has a lot of life projects going on. Ill see what can be done about getting more units produced/qc'd.

very interested... would definitely buy this

thank you.




For what its worth with regards to the bottom row layout, I’ve been using an entry lvl split board, the ymdk sp64, but i mainly use the spacebar on the right thumb. I actually use the 1u key next to the left spacebar with my thumb to access the second layer on the left side easily! So if you fidn a way to accomplish both layouts I think id be really good !! :) anyways wanted to say highly interested in this too! Saw it on reddit but havent heard about it so I  thought itd been shelved, but really happy its still in progress!!! Keep up the good work noahf!!

see update. i listen. i made some changes.


Any updates on this?

yes!


I'm really hoping the project's fine, I'd love to get one.
its been slowly truckin.




I'm a bit late to the party, but I'm glad to hear this and I'm eager to see what you come up with for a left space configuration. I think 1.5–1–1.5–2.75 (left) and 2.25–1.5–1–1.5 (right) is a pretty good contender.
I made a change that allows the FN key to swap.


I’m not a left thumb spacer but agree the left space should go the outside and swap positions with the FN key.


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fine poesjuh!


Is Doppelganger dead?  Even if not, the way that FCFS sales go now, with only 40 units available there is basically 0 chance of landing one of these. :(  Guaranteed this would sell out in less than 30 seconds.

nope! not dead. please see update above with regards to unit and FCFS. as the GB actually gets closer, ill do a poll and see how many interested parties there actually are and what kinda of system allows for the fairest opportunity to own. these boards are for typing, not flipping.


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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #90 on: Fri, 03 July 2020, 20:43:13 »
I'm glad the board isn't dead, those macros on the left look juicy. Would love to grab one, especially without the corner blockers.

Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 03 July 2020, 20:53:08 »
This left thumb spacer appreciates the continued life in this board and your changes

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #92 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 04:33:08 »
This is probably my way into split keyboards. I am looking forward to this.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 05:46:06 »
Glad to hear things are still moving. The design is too cool to let it die!

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #94 on: Wed, 08 July 2020, 08:05:12 »
It will be a race between this and quefrency rev.2 to get my money! 😋
(but probably a tie😜)

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #95 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 20:21:16 »
Any updates on this board? Been sitting on the money for it. Also really keen for that custom cable. Its impossible finding cables for split keebs
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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #96 on: Tue, 11 August 2020, 02:59:08 »
:o i'm in for this

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #97 on: Tue, 11 August 2020, 12:18:26 »
Any updates on this board? Been sitting on the money for it. Also really keen for that custom cable. Its impossible finding cables for split keebs

hoping to have big/good news anyday, ill post when things are official.

:o i'm in for this

its an awesome board. been my daily since Feb.

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Re: [IC] Doppelgänger - 65ish% Split + Macro Pad
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 05:10:42 »
Adding a 1+ to interest and also asking for that poll regarding availability. If you want to keep numbers low still, a raffle would be awesome, man.