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Offline Hyde

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Anyone Else Noticed Topre "Wobble"?
« on: Sat, 07 December 2019, 18:06:11 »
So I had my Realforce 104UW for a few years now, during which I bought a Type Heaven and swap the 45g domes onto it so now I have 45g uniform Realforce.  At a later time I then bought silence X from kbdfans and now I have 45g silence modded Realforce.  Prior to this I've tried Hypersphere and while it silence better it eats into tactility, to be fair silence x eats into tactility too but way less (let's just say reduce travel by 10% for example).

The extra benefit of putting in silence rings is that it also filled the "gap" between fully depressed dome and slider fully extended.  There's is actually a tiny tiny bit of gap and upon release the key wobble a tiny bit.

Once I installed silence x it filled the gap and makes the keyboard feels premium, like there's no looseness anywhere.  Like when you run your fingers on keycaps left and right there's no wobble sound, you'll even notice it when typing too.


So luckily my grandmother visited Japan recently and she managed to pick me up a Realforce R2 55g Silent (R2S-US5-IV).  I was hoping this would be the end game and should be perfect straight out of the box.  But unfortunately even the stock silent (purple slider) Topre exibit this "gap" between fully extended domes and sliders and the keyboard just feels wobbly as hell.  I even think my modded 45g silent Realforce feels more solid.

This brings me the question that:

1.  Anyone else experience this?
2.  Could it be a R1 vs R2 case difference?
3.  Any suggestions on what I should do?


For reference silence x is about 0.22 mm thick, stock Topre silence rings are 0.5 mm thick, Hypersphere rings are 0.6 mm thick (squishier foam).  I've since swapped the stock rings to Hypersphere rings and it helped a bit but ate into tactility a bit and also there's still tiny bit of wobble it's weird.

R1 stock with silence x = Retain 90% tactility and no gap no wobble.
R2 purple slider with stock silence ring = Retain 100% tactility but has a lot of wobble.
R2 purple slider with hypersphere = Retain 90% tactility but has a tiny bit of wobble (my guess is because material is softer than stock rings).


Initially I was wondering if I should've bought non-silence Topre and install deskeys rings (same thickness as silence x) then this would be best of both worlds?

The thickest deskeys rings are 0.5 mm which is the same as stock silent rings so it doesn't help on purple slider I think.  LOL this is such a first world problem.

Anyway what would you guys suggest?  Currently I left it with Hypersphere rings (on purple slider).
« Last Edit: Sun, 08 December 2019, 08:07:40 by Hyde »

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Re: Anyone Else Noticed Topre "Wobble"?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 08:35:03 »
Adding some pictures to help encourage participation LOL.

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Re: Anyone Else Noticed Topre "Wobble"?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 08:44:30 »
The original keyclack silencing rings were the best IMO.
Super thin with zero impact on tactility.
The downside was they were prone to tearing and had a high defect rate so you had to discard a lot from the get go.

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Re: Anyone Else Noticed Topre "Wobble"?
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 12:58:08 »
The original keyclack silencing rings were the best IMO.
Super thin with zero impact on tactility.
The downside was they were prone to tearing and had a high defect rate so you had to discard a lot from the get go.

I've bought them too but silence x were already a pain to install the original keyclack rings were even worse, and I think V2 were just too thick so at that point I might as well use Hypersphere but I can look into them again.

I bought them but never really tried it LOL.

But now the issue is I have purple slider so it complicated things, ironically it's was suppose to make things simpler.

Archiss ProgresTouch Retro - Gateron Yellow  |  Topre Realforce 104UW - 45g Silent  |  Topre Type Heaven  |  Beige Filco Ninja 104 - MX Red  |  Das Keyboard - MX Brown  |  Poker II - MX Red  |  Race II - MX Brown  |  Matias Quiet Pro - Matias Dampened ALPS  |  Logitech K840 - Romer G  |  Cherry MX Board 2.0 - MX Red  |  Cherry G84-4100 - ML  |  IBM Model M
Roccat Kone Pure  |  Logitech G203  |  Logitech G303  |  Logitech G302  |  Razer Naga  |  CM Storm Xornet  |  Razer Goliathus Mobile Stealth  |  Razer Goliathus Control  |  Artisan Hien  |  Artisan Hayate  |  Artisan Shiden