New "Tacit" switches from keebwerk

[nathanchere]

Link: https://www.keebwerk.com/product/tacit-wasabi-switch/

I realise these are too new for anyone to likely have first-hand experience to share but I'm really interested in what these have to offer. Durock's T1s are IMO some of the finest tactile switches around and I've heard these are essentially factory silenced T1s. Then again I've heard some say (without trying them first-hand) that the force curve graphs are more suggestive of MX Clears or even Aliaz (if you can even call Aliaz tactile).

Is anyone else intending to order these? At prices not that far off Zilents I'm not sure I want to take the gamble.

[nathanchere]

keebwerk's claimed force graph for those interested

[pixelpusher]

I always have extra housing noise on my Durocks.  Need to be filmed and lubed to sound best.  Curious how it would effect a silent switch.

[Sintpinty]

Link: https://www.keebwerk.com/product/tacit-wasabi-switch/

I realise these are too new for anyone to likely have first-hand experience to share but I'm really interested in what these have to offer. Durock's T1s are IMO some of the finest tactile switches around and I've heard these are essentially factory silenced T1s. Then again I've heard some say (without trying them first-hand) that the force curve graphs are more suggestive of MX Clears or even Aliaz (if you can even call Aliaz tactile).

Is anyone else intending to order these? At prices not that far off Zilents I'm not sure I want to take the gamble.

OOOOOOOOOO new switch

These rubber domes are hurting my hands. My speed is not improving. Any ideas?

[treeleaf64]

Link: https://www.keebwerk.com/product/tacit-wasabi-switch/

I realise these are too new for anyone to likely have first-hand experience to share but I'm really interested in what these have to offer. Durock's T1s are IMO some of the finest tactile switches around and I've heard these are essentially factory silenced T1s. Then again I've heard some say (without trying them first-hand) that the force curve graphs are more suggestive of MX Clears or even Aliaz (if you can even call Aliaz tactile).

Is anyone else intending to order these? At prices not that far off Zilents I'm not sure I want to take the gamble.

OOOOOOOOOO new switch

These rubber domes are hurting my hands. My speed is not improving. Any ideas?

Sorry, Sint, can't help you. Best option is to ask IT if you can have access to the usb port on your computer

[Maledicted]

OOOOOOOOOO new switch

These rubber domes are hurting my hands. My speed is not improving. Any ideas?

Play Runescape and talk to people a lot for a few years. Communication is only through typing in that game. You'll become a very fast typist. That game sucks though, so I also warned you.

Let the guy have his thread though, the world needs better tactile switches (even if I don't care for them), especially actually quiet ones. I'm curious to see what others say about these myself.

[Sintpinty]

OOOOOOOOOO new switch

These rubber domes are hurting my hands. My speed is not improving. Any ideas?

Play Runescape and talk to people a lot for a few years. Communication is only through typing in that game. You'll become a very fast typist. That game sucks though, so I also warned you.

Let the guy have his thread though, the world needs better tactile switches (even if I don't care for them), especially actually quiet ones. I'm curious to see what others say about these myself.

Time to play more hours of city tycoon W

[Man In Blue]

Are these confirmed to be durocks?

[HungerMechanic]

23 Euros of shipping costs on 23 Euros of switches . . . no thanks

[bananasplit_00]

i ordered 210 as soon as they went up, i have wanted a silent T1 since i got into the hobby so unless these are garbage im probably good for switches for a long while

[nathanchere]

23 Euros of shipping costs on 23 Euros of switches . . . no thanks

Yeah the shipping is what is killing it for me, otherwise I would be happier to try my luck.

[pixelpusher]

No shipping to US it appears.  I guess we'll have to wait until these (or a version of these) become available on a larger platform.

[skrzat]

i ordered 210 as soon as they went up, i have wanted a silent T1 since i got into the hobby so unless these are garbage im probably good for switches for a long while

Have you received them yet and given them a try?

[Sintpinty]

Link: https://www.keebwerk.com/product/tacit-wasabi-switch/

I realise these are too new for anyone to likely have first-hand experience to share but I'm really interested in what these have to offer. Durock's T1s are IMO some of the finest tactile switches around and I've heard these are essentially factory silenced T1s. Then again I've heard some say (without trying them first-hand) that the force curve graphs are more suggestive of MX Clears or even Aliaz (if you can even call Aliaz tactile).

Is anyone else intending to order these? At prices not that far off Zilents I'm not sure I want to take the gamble.

OOOOOOOOOO new switch

These rubber domes are hurting my hands. My speed is not improving. Any ideas?

Sorry, Sint, can't help you. Best option is to ask IT if you can have access to the usb port on your computer

I do but i'm afraid there is no bluetooth capabilities or if the wireless reciever will work with a 2007 hp compaq.

[Maledicted]

I do but i'm afraid there is no bluetooth capabilities or if the wireless reciever will work with a 2007 hp compaq.

usb is usb, so long as there are drivers for whatever operating system you're running, a bluetooth dongle WILL work with your computer. What is your current operating system? What dongle do you have for it? If it is running Windows 7 or newer, I can almost guarantee that there will be functional drivers available.

[bananasplit_00]

Got them in my Budget96 and have been using for a bit. They feel great, sound great. There is no noticeable friction from the rubber going all the way around and they feel nicely smooth. Mine are entirely stock so far and i dont feel any need to do anything to them. I would like to try them with films and lube but i dont have any and they are so good i dont feel any desire to get any

A couple points to keep in mind though:

They say 67g, they are much heavier than a Zilent 67g.
These are shipped from Germany, great for EU folks, awful for everyone else.
The green colour of the stem is not really the colour you see on the website under any lighting i have found so far
They are a little louder than Zilents but really not much and its a very pleasant sound anyway

Thats about it, cheaper than a Zilent for a similar experience

[Findecanor]

Thanks for letting us try them at a keyboard party the other day! I really liked them.
I find that (unsilenced) Durock T1 feel a tiny bit softer and rounder on the way up on the bump than Zealios V2, and I felt the same thing with these dampened switches: just a tiny bit softer and rounder than Zilents V2.
I wish there had been Zilents V1 to compare with: I suspect that the Tacit are closer to them in feel than to V2.

[treeleaf64]

Thank you for the review and info, guys. I might grab some for my split ergo I am going to make.

How is the sound? Are they as quiet as Zilents?

[RominRonin]

Well, I never expected to contribute to THIS thread, but David @CandyKeys.com kindly sent me some Tacit switches with a recent order.

These are definitely in the Holy Panda/Zealio V2 family of switch (so the bump is right at the top).

I have a TKC1800 board with 78g V2 Zilents to compare them to. Please keep in mind that I have only had the switches out for about 15 minutes and they are in a wooden case with no PCB, so these first impressions are not like for like.

I don't know what weight these are (I'll update the post when I get an answer from David), but these are WAY snappier (more tactile) than the 78g V2 Zilents. Noticeably so.

I've never tried T1 switches, but JUST like the v2 Zealio and Zilent switches, these bottom out very easily (the tactile bump is so large and long, that once you have committed enough force to overcome it, you are basically going all the way down). That quality is even more pronounced on these switches than on my 78g Zilents. Bearing in mind that I thought it was impossible not to bottom out on the Zilents when I first got them, but I can control that force much better now. So *maybe* with time and practise you can achieve that with individual presses, but when typing at full speed, I find that practically impossible for most typists.

An anecdotal comparison (the Zilents are on a plateless build, the Tacits are in a wooden case with milled switch holes) of the wobble places Tacits *head and shoulders* above my V2 Zilents. It's IMPRESSIVE how stable the switch is in the forward/back AND left/right axes.

That's it for now. I am honestly not sure if I will make a board out of these, since I am NOT a fan of the super tactile direction the community is driving switch manufacturing (I'll take ergo-clears any day). I recently stopped using my Zilents board because I found the extreme tactility frustrating when trying to type quickly (the switch has to reset fully before going again, and the pinkies fall behind the stronger fingers, leading to a jolted, stop-start typing experience).

Thanks once again to David @CandyKeys.com for the switches, I really appreciate that man!

[treeleaf64]

Well, I never expected to contribute to THIS thread, but David @CandyKeys.com kindly sent me some Tacit switches with a recent order.

These are definitely in the Holy Panda/Zealio V2 family of switch (so the bump is right at the top).

I have a TKC1800 board with 78g V2 Zilents to compare them to. Please keep in mind that I have only had the switches out for about 15 minutes and they are in a wooden case with no PCB, so these first impressions are not like for like.

I don't know what weight these are (I'll update the post when I get an answer from David), but these are WAY snappier (more tactile) than the 78g V2 Zilents. Noticeably so.

I've never tried T1 switches, but JUST like the v2 Zealio and Zilent switches, these bottom out very easily (the tactile bump is so large and long, that once you have committed enough force to overcome it, you are basically going all the way down). That quality is even more pronounced on these switches than on my 78g Zilents. Bearing in mind that I thought it was impossible not to bottom out on the Zilents when I first got them, but I can control that force much better now. So *maybe* with time and practise you can achieve that with individual presses, but when typing at full speed, I find that practically impossible for most typists.

An anecdotal comparison (the Zilents are on a plateless build, the Tacits are in a wooden case with milled switch holes) of the wobble places Tacits *head and shoulders* above my V2 Zilents. It's IMPRESSIVE how stable the switch is in the forward/back AND left/right axes.

That's it for now. I am honestly not sure if I will make a board out of these, since I am NOT a fan of the super tactile direction the community is driving switch manufacturing (I'll take ergo-clears any day). I recently stopped using my Zilents board because I found the extreme tactility frustrating when trying to type quickly (the switch has to reset fully before going again, and the pinkies fall behind the stronger fingers, leading to a jolted, stop-start typing experience).

Thanks once again to David @CandyKeys.com for the switches, I really appreciate that man!

Thank you for the write up. I will consider these an alternative to the Zilents. I am not a fan of super tactile either, but I don't think the basic MX family is anywhere close to tactile.

[Maledicted]

Thank you for the write up. I will consider these an alternative to the Zilents. I am not a fan of super tactile either, but I don't think the basic MX family is anywhere close to tactile.

Is there anything more tactile than Kailh Box Navies? That's about the only switch I have ever tried that I would consider to be more than moderately tactile. Complicated alps seem to be just right, and box jades aren't too far behind. MX blues feel like typing on grocery bags or something to me now.

[treeleaf64]

Thank you for the write up. I will consider these an alternative to the Zilents. I am not a fan of super tactile either, but I don't think the basic MX family is anywhere close to tactile.

Is there anything more tactile than Kailh Box Navies? That's about the only switch I have ever tried that I would consider to be more than moderately tactile. Complicated alps seem to be just right, and box jades aren't too far behind. MX blues feel like typing on grocery bags or something to me now.

Yeah, that's so true! I tried my MX blues after typing on SKCM White for around 3 months, and the difference is staggering! It's like you're typing on the big bubblewrap (mx) vs the small, supertactile bubble wrap!

[bananasplit_00]

Well, I never expected to contribute to THIS thread, but David @CandyKeys.com kindly sent me some Tacit switches with a recent order.

These are definitely in the Holy Panda/Zealio V2 family of switch (so the bump is right at the top).

I have a TKC1800 board with 78g V2 Zilents to compare them to. Please keep in mind that I have only had the switches out for about 15 minutes and they are in a wooden case with no PCB, so these first impressions are not like for like.

I don't know what weight these are (I'll update the post when I get an answer from David), but these are WAY snappier (more tactile) than the 78g V2 Zilents. Noticeably so.

I've never tried T1 switches, but JUST like the v2 Zealio and Zilent switches, these bottom out very easily (the tactile bump is so large and long, that once you have committed enough force to overcome it, you are basically going all the way down). That quality is even more pronounced on these switches than on my 78g Zilents. Bearing in mind that I thought it was impossible not to bottom out on the Zilents when I first got them, but I can control that force much better now. So *maybe* with time and practise you can achieve that with individual presses, but when typing at full speed, I find that practically impossible for most typists.

An anecdotal comparison (the Zilents are on a plateless build, the Tacits are in a wooden case with milled switch holes) of the wobble places Tacits *head and shoulders* above my V2 Zilents. It's IMPRESSIVE how stable the switch is in the forward/back AND left/right axes.

That's it for now. I am honestly not sure if I will make a board out of these, since I am NOT a fan of the super tactile direction the community is driving switch manufacturing (I'll take ergo-clears any day). I recently stopped using my Zilents board because I found the extreme tactility frustrating when trying to type quickly (the switch has to reset fully before going again, and the pinkies fall behind the stronger fingers, leading to a jolted, stop-start typing experience).

Thanks once again to David @CandyKeys.com for the switches, I really appreciate that man!

Well on the weighting part they are marked as 67g on the website but i am interested in seeing what they tell you the weighting is. Keebwerks have been very nice to communicate with in my small amount of experience at least, and i am interested in what weight these actually are.

As for the bottom out, i have no issue not bottoming these out, in fact i really have to try to do so. Might have to do with how i feathered my browns to not bottom those out either idk.

Thank you for the review and info, guys. I might grab some for my split ergo I am going to make.

How is the sound? Are they as quiet as Zilents?

I would say these are just a little bit louder than Zilents, but not much and as i wrote in my first reviewy thing i find it to be a very pleasant sound either way. If pure noise level number is all that matters and you dont mind spending the extra about €0.4 per switch then the Zilents are the pick, if you dont mind that these are a tiny bit louder and dont want to pay the Zeal tax then the Tacits are the way to go id say

[chyros]

Another tactile MX switch, lame... xD

[Findecanor]

Another tactile MX switch, lame... xD

No wireless, less space than a Nomad. :-þ

Edit: The tactile MX-type switches are my favourites, really

[treeleaf64]

Another tactile MX switch, lame... xD

Lacks wireless, less space than a Nomad.

You have to think about how usable they are in the modern context, dear friends. I agree that they probably are subpar compared to the better switch types we have out there, but these are supposed to be a modern option, based on MX, and used in modern MX PCBs. These are better than other MX switches.

[alphabirth]

I just spotted some posts about these switches on Instagram.  Has anybody tried spring swapping yet?  I'm a big fan of the Holy Panda, so a silenced version sounds fantastic.  67g *activation* is way too heavy for me though...  I usually prefer ~55g springs, but IIRC the HPs have 62g springs, which I liked too.

[Zeelobby]

Can anyone comment on how these compare to Holy Skies? (Panda body, Otemu silent skies stems). Basically these sound like silent holy pandas as far as what people have compared them to, and I already have a large batch of those. Trying to decide if these are worth the additional purchase.

[alphabirth]

Aw darn--I was going to just go for it and give them a try myself, but they're sold out now.   Hopefully they'll do another run.  Or are there any other good silent HP-like switches out there these days?

[alphabirth]

Turns out they did another run and I picked some up!  And... they're a mixed bag IMO.

Straight out of the bag, they're very loose, rattley, scratchy, and inconsistent.  There were 2 out of my bag of 20 that felt tight enough to not rattle, and actually those felt pretty good.  I stuck them onto my tester next to some YOK pandas as a comparison, and I have to say, it's very similar.  The weighting is of course heavier on the Tacits; and it feels like there is more resistance on the upstroke vs the HP.  It's like on the Tacit that the down-stroke force to clear the tactile bump is the same as the up-stroke force, whereas the HP goes a little more linear on the way up.

However, I knew going in that 67g is a bit too heavy for me, so I'd want to spring swap, so I decided to play around a bit to see if I could get them some of them into a better state.  This is where things really started to get interesting.

I popped a couple others open and swapped in some 60g springs from some donor Cherry blues.  I found that while the weighting was better for me on these, the tactile bump become too big.  It feels like it was tuned for the 67g spring, so with a weaker spring that increased tactility on the up-stroke felt almost like the switch kept sticking.  So overall, not bad but not great either.  I also tried applying some Krytox 103.  This definitely improved the feel, but on some the scratchiness was so bad that lube didn't really help.

I knew that I was going to need switch films to help these, which I don't have--so I'll have to order some.  Then on a whim I decided to try putting a Tacit stem into an Aliaz 60g housing.  HOLY ****!  I haven't even lubed these yet because I was too excited to go write up this discovery.  Immediate MASSIVE improvement!  The first thing I noticed about resulting switches--Taliaz? Alicit?--is that they felt buttery smooth.  And the BUMP!  It's definitely toned down compared to the stock Tacit--a little less forceful, more rounded and less crisp.  It also feels a bit rounder than the HP.  It has more of a big bubbly "pop" feeling.  IMHO it's the most Topre-like I have experienced yet on a mechanical switch.  And the return force feels very smooth too--even more linear-like on the way up than the HP, but still enough to feel it.  It makes for a sensation that is very lively--not slow or sticky at all.  It's FUN to press on it!  Just to make sure I wasn't going crazy, I put it next to a Zeal v1 (I don't own v2s) to compare.  The tactility is still there--the Zeal feels almost linear in comparison. 

I don't think this frankenswitch will totally replace the HP for me--I like them both for different reasons.  For silenced builds though, yep, this one is endgame!

[HungerMechanic]

Thanks, that's a very interesting frankenswitch. I'll have to try it if I can get ahold of some Tacits.

You say that the Tacit feels heavier than the HP. I thought HPs were 67 G by default? If so, are the Tacits still heavier than 67G HPs?

[alphabirth]

I'm not sure about OG HPs, they may be 67g--I know that the Drop Pandas use 67g.  I have the YOK Pandas, which are 60g springs.

[bananasplit_00]

Thanks, that's a very interesting frankenswitch. I'll have to try it if I can get ahold of some Tacits.

You say that the Tacit feels heavier than the HP. I thought HPs were 67 G by default? If so, are the Tacits still heavier than 67G HPs?

Tacits are notably heavier than 67g Zilents for example.

[langstonhuge]

Turns out they did another run and I picked some up!  And... they're a mixed bag IMO.

Straight out of the bag, they're very loose, rattley, scratchy, and inconsistent.  There were 2 out of my bag of 20 that felt tight enough to not rattle, and actually those felt pretty good.  I stuck them onto my tester next to some YOK pandas as a comparison, and I have to say, it's very similar.  The weighting is of course heavier on the Tacits; and it feels like there is more resistance on the upstroke vs the HP.  It's like on the Tacit that the down-stroke force to clear the tactile bump is the same as the up-stroke force, whereas the HP goes a little more linear on the way up.

However, I knew going in that 67g is a bit too heavy for me, so I'd want to spring swap, so I decided to play around a bit to see if I could get them some of them into a better state.  This is where things really started to get interesting.

I popped a couple others open and swapped in some 60g springs from some donor Cherry blues.  I found that while the weighting was better for me on these, the tactile bump become too big.  It feels like it was tuned for the 67g spring, so with a weaker spring that increased tactility on the up-stroke felt almost like the switch kept sticking.  So overall, not bad but not great either.  I also tried applying some Krytox 103.  This definitely improved the feel, but on some the scratchiness was so bad that lube didn't really help.

I knew that I was going to need switch films to help these, which I don't have--so I'll have to order some.  Then on a whim I decided to try putting a Tacit stem into an Aliaz 60g housing.  HOLY ****!  I haven't even lubed these yet because I was too excited to go write up this discovery.  Immediate MASSIVE improvement!  The first thing I noticed about resulting switches--Taliaz? Alicit?--is that they felt buttery smooth.  And the BUMP!  It's definitely toned down compared to the stock Tacit--a little less forceful, more rounded and less crisp.  It also feels a bit rounder than the HP.  It has more of a big bubbly "pop" feeling.  IMHO it's the most Topre-like I have experienced yet on a mechanical switch.  And the return force feels very smooth too--even more linear-like on the way up than the HP, but still enough to feel it.  It makes for a sensation that is very lively--not slow or sticky at all.  It's FUN to press on it!  Just to make sure I wasn't going crazy, I put it next to a Zeal v1 (I don't own v2s) to compare.  The tactility is still there--the Zeal feels almost linear in comparison. 

I don't think this frankenswitch will totally replace the HP for me--I like them both for different reasons.  For silenced builds though, yep, this one is endgame!

The Tacit switch was restocked recently, so I bought some, and agree with what's been said before - seem very rattley, and would probably benefit from films.  I also had a bunch of spare Aliaz, so I tried this alphabirth frankenswitch.  Very interesting results!  Like they said - the bump is reduced vs. stock tacit, however it's still much better than stock aliaz.

What they didn't mention is just how quiet it is!  Out of 78g V2 Zilents, Aliaz, and Tacit, these Taliaz are clearly the winners for least noisy.  I'll be putting these in a board for work, and suggest anyone with these two switches give this a try.

[HungerMechanic]

Please remind me - what springs are you using for the Taliaz?

And is it only the Tacit stems that will produce this? Because they are the silenced T1 variant?

[alphabirth]

Please remind me - what springs are you using for the Taliaz?

And is it only the Tacit stems that will produce this? Because they are the silenced T1 variant?

I am using the 60g aliaz springs in mine, but I'd imagine the other spring weights would work too. I haven't tried using T1 stems (or anything similar) since I don't own any.  I did try the Halo stems, but it wasn't really anything to write home about.

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[HungerMechanic]

Thanks for the info.

Wouldn't it be nice if some of these Chinese manufacturers teamed up to make some of these frankenswitches. It's too bad about the bad blood between Gateron and Durock, because I'd certainly be willing to buy a Taliaz hybrid switch.