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Offline Magas

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #100 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 08:12:28 »
This is SICK

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #101 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 08:41:07 »
Colors: What you see is what you get, as this is my first keyboard I'd prefer to have one option for simplicity's sake

Based on the renders, it looks like all the cases and bottom pieces are the same colors, but the rotary joysticks seem to have different color options. Will the rotary joysticks have different options for colors, and if so could we purchase multiple to have options for keysets?

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 08:51:23 »
Wow this is beautiful.
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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 09:59:57 »
Excited to see people buy into this and then realize none of their keysets work on it

this is all a scheme to make people buy $50 40s kits they don't need for 1 key

don't buy into the 40% propaganda

enlist in the non 40 army today

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 10:09:23 »
Excited to see people buy into this and then realize none of their keysets work on it

this is all a scheme to make people buy $50 40s kits they don't need for 1 key

don't buy into the 40% propaganda

enlist in the non 40 army today

this is the real conspiracy

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #105 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 10:21:04 »
Excited to see people buy into this and then realize none of their keysets work on it

Iíve looked at this board multiple times is there something Iím not seeing??  :eek:

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 10:21:40 »
Certainly a new design and I like the bottom of the KB.  Please consider ISO in your PCB and Plate.
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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #107 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 11:05:15 »
What's the name of the keycap set on this?

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This set doesn't exist, I threw it together quickly solely for rendering purposes.

Colors: What you see is what you get, as this is my first keyboard I'd prefer to have one option for simplicity's sake

Based on the renders, it looks like all the cases and bottom pieces are the same colors, but the rotary joysticks seem to have different color options. Will the rotary joysticks have different options for colors, and if so could we purchase multiple to have options for keysets?

If I can make it work, that's the plan.

Excited to see people buy into this and then realize none of their keysets work on it

this is all a scheme to make people buy $50 40s kits they don't need for 1 key

don't buy into the 40% propaganda

enlist in the non 40 army today

Yes.

Certainly a new design and I like the bottom of the KB.  Please consider ISO in your PCB and Plate.

I did consider it, do the nature of the plate it isn't possible at the moment. If I can figure out a way to add ISO support without compromising the integrity of the plate, I will.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #108 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 11:05:45 »
The uniqueness of this is incredible.

That being said, I'm very interested in the plate strength overall.

Example #1:




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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 11:19:54 »
The uniqueness of this is incredible.

That being said, I'm very interested in the plate strength overall.

Example #1:

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Metal designed to comply with stress =/= Plastic designed to break. Though I enjoy the comparison lol

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 11:50:53 »
Also, I'm not sure if many people have experience with 7075 in structural applications such as this (aka: Not just a big ol' block)
As someone who has:
The stuff is hella strong and durable compared to regular 6061, and not even really comparable to some of the softer cast alloys.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 11:56:34 »
Forgive the ignorance but I'm new to the term 'generative design'. However, in ML, we reference generative/evolutionary algorithms. Was the base designed using an algorithm? Looks wild.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 12:00:35 »
Forgive the ignorance but I'm new to the term 'generative design'. However, in ML, we reference generative/evolutionary algorithms. Was the base designed using an algorithm? Looks wild.

Yeah, you usually put in some required parameters, and then let it randomly generate the structure. In this case I'm assuming there's a specific area, specific density, maybe even material strength equation, some branching limitation, etc. Then you just let it go to town.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_design

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 12:11:10 »
Excited to see people buy into this and then realize none of their keysets work on it

Iíve looked at this board multiple times is there something Iím not seeing??  :eek:

Nvm I reread the OP and saw the 1.5u R Shift.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 12:52:08 »
Also, I'm not sure if many people have experience with 7075 in structural applications such as this (aka: Not just a big ol' block)
As someone who has:
The stuff is hella strong and durable compared to regular 6061, and not even really comparable to some of the softer cast alloys.

Thank you for the great and concise explaination :thumb:

Forgive the ignorance but I'm new to the term 'generative design'. However, in ML, we reference generative/evolutionary algorithms. Was the base designed using an algorithm? Looks wild.

Yeah, you usually put in some required parameters, and then let it randomly generate the structure. In this case I'm assuming there's a specific area, specific density, maybe even material strength equation, some branching limitation, etc. Then you just let it go to town.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_design

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 13:57:02 »
Damn what a cool looking design!

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #116 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 14:04:18 »
apart from the layout, this board looks SICK

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #117 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 14:10:04 »
Interested!!

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 14:34:31 »
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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 16:41:32 »
Definitely interested in this. Love the Knob accent.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #120 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 16:43:43 »
this board is ridiculous and I love it

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #121 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 17:21:22 »
This is gonna be my first group buy board purchase.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #122 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 17:27:54 »
This is gonna be my first group buy board purchase.
Haha. It's def a way to start with a bang. I went way cheaper with mine. Lol.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #123 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 17:35:09 »
Looks nuts. I am expecting a pretty hefty price tag to accompany the 3D printed base. However, it still may be worth it given the uniqueness of the board overall. Very cool, will keep a close eye on the progress.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #124 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 18:00:25 »
Take my money, this is fire. Iíll be watching this one.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #125 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 20:03:16 »
The bottom is really cool, wow

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #126 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 20:39:30 »
I'd buy this in a heartbeat.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #127 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 22:57:19 »
Excited to see people buy into this and then realize none of their keysets work on it

Iíve looked at this board multiple times is there something Iím not seeing??  :eek:

The layout uses 1.5u key for shift. There are hardly any sets that have 1.5u shift key. You either have to use other 1.5u r4 keys like control, alt or manu, or 1.5u novelties. I personally am not a fan of using keys in place of spots that are not intended for them. Novelties are fine, some sets comes with 1.5u novelties in their base kit like gmk olive, and some sets don't offer novelties, not even as kits.

I suggested tweaking the layout to use 2u left shift. More sets are starting to include 2u shift in base kits, like GMK Mizu, GMK Fuyu GMK Darling and GMK Future Funk to name a few. The layout will change the stagger and you may need to get used to the layout, though it may be for everyone, but at least it can help to solve the compatibility issue. It would be nice too if the pcb could accept both layouts so you can choose to go with 2u left shift or 1.5u right shift, but I imagine that would add more work to the pcb designer and complicate the plate design, increasing the overall cost.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 05 February 2020, 23:23:31 »
I suggested tweaking the layout to use 2u left shift. More sets are starting to include 2u shift in base kits, like GMK Mizu, GMK Fuyu GMK Darling and GMK Future Funk to name a few. The layout will change the stagger and you may need to get used to the layout, though it may be for everyone, but at least it can help to solve the compatibility issue. It would be nice too if the pcb could accept both layouts so you can choose to go with 2u left shift or 1.5u right shift, but I imagine that would add more work to the pcb designer and complicate the plate design, increasing the overall cost.

I agree. I'm not sure though if there will be a big adjustment on my part, having a 2u left shift key. I am already planning on having a PCB made with that specific layout just to try it out and maybe have a keyboard made based on that layout. The spacing looks so good that I want to try it so bad.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #129 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 00:12:49 »
Excited to see people buy into this and then realize none of their keysets work on it

Iíve looked at this board multiple times is there something Iím not seeing??  :eek:

The layout uses 1.5u key for shift. There are hardly any sets that have 1.5u shift key. You either have to use other 1.5u r4 keys like control, alt or manu, or 1.5u novelties. I personally am not a fan of using keys in place of spots that are not intended for them. Novelties are fine, some sets comes with 1.5u novelties in their base kit like gmk olive, and some sets don't offer novelties, not even as kits.

I suggested tweaking the layout to use 2u left shift. More sets are starting to include 2u shift in base kits, like GMK Mizu, GMK Fuyu GMK Darling and GMK Future Funk to name a few. The layout will change the stagger and you may need to get used to the layout, though it may be for everyone, but at least it can help to solve the compatibility issue. It would be nice too if the pcb could accept both layouts so you can choose to go with 2u left shift or 1.5u right shift, but I imagine that would add more work to the pcb designer and complicate the plate design, increasing the overall cost.

The issue with doing that is that the plate is integrated and layout is fixed. If he were to allow you to use a smaller left shift, all the alphas would need to stagger and I'm not sure how that work considering the design/cut of that integrated plate.
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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #130 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 00:13:28 »
Does 1.5u Shift even exist? Checked all my recent sets and found nothing.
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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 00:35:48 »
Iím very interested in the acoustic department. All for innovation, even with that 1.5u shift

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« Reply #132 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 05:46:20 »
This is insane. Just wow

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 06:16:37 »
generatively-designed 3d printed 1.5u shift key... Boom problem solved.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 08:20:36 »
I know it would wreck havoc on the spacing, but did you consider 1.25U RShift?

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #135 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 08:30:55 »
Excited to see people buy into this and then realize none of their keysets work on it

Iíve looked at this board multiple times is there something Iím not seeing??  :eek:

The layout uses 1.5u key for shift. There are hardly any sets that have 1.5u shift key. You either have to use other 1.5u r4 keys like control, alt or manu, or 1.5u novelties. I personally am not a fan of using keys in place of spots that are not intended for them. Novelties are fine, some sets comes with 1.5u novelties in their base kit like gmk olive, and some sets don't offer novelties, not even as kits.

I suggested tweaking the layout to use 2u left shift. More sets are starting to include 2u shift in base kits, like GMK Mizu, GMK Fuyu GMK Darling and GMK Future Funk to name a few. The layout will change the stagger and you may need to get used to the layout, though it may be for everyone, but at least it can help to solve the compatibility issue. It would be nice too if the pcb could accept both layouts so you can choose to go with 2u left shift or 1.5u right shift, but I imagine that would add more work to the pcb designer and complicate the plate design, increasing the overall cost.

The issue with doing that is that the plate is integrated and layout is fixed. If he were to allow you to use a smaller left shift, all the alphas would need to stagger and I'm not sure how that work considering the design/cut of that integrated plate.
Yeah you're right, now that you mentioned it, the integrated plate is quite unique. I didn't notice that the plate was designed with flex cuts. It can have wider holes, but due to the design of the plate, that would compromise the rigidity of the plate.  The plate actually reminded me of the carbon fiber 60% plate on kbdfans.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard | Write-up Live
« Reply #136 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 09:03:42 »
Hey everyone,

Just wanted to bump the thread to let you know the technical write-up is live :thumb:

If you see any issues PLEASE call me out for them! That's how I get better and how we progress as a community!

Much love

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard | Write-up Live
« Reply #137 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 10:21:21 »
Love this! Great work Nathan will definitely be considering this board.

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« Reply #138 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 12:14:39 »
It's kinda funny that people are complaining about the 1.5u shift. If you have ever owned a 40% you would understand it is not a big deal. And changing the stagger is a big no-no.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard | Write-up Live
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 12:41:29 »
1. Can you define the order in which the plate is "solved" by the generative algorithm? For example, optimize alphanumeric to design spec then modifiers then arrow keys. Wont fix your problem but might move it to someplace no one really cares about.

2. Is the plate uniform thickness? Can the generative algorithm take your 2d planar constraint around each switch and optimize its depth to add (or remove) stiffness? If you do the metal sintering process for the plate I would imagine it would still be manufacturable.

I'll think on it a bit more but figured I'd get a conversation started earlier than later.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard | Write-up Live
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 12:48:27 »
1. Can you define the order in which the plate is "solved" by the generative algorithm? For example, optimize alphanumeric to design spec then modifiers then arrow keys. Wont fix your problem but might move it to someplace no one really cares about.

That's the correct order, alphas -> space -> mods -> numrow -> f-row -> column -> arrows.

Whether this order truly affects generation, I don't know.

2. Is the plate uniform thickness? Can the generative algorithm take your 2d planar constraint around each switch and optimize its depth to add (or remove) stiffness? If you do the metal sintering process for the plate I would imagine it would still be manufacturable.

I'll think on it a bit more but figured I'd get a conversation started earlier than later.

The plate is uniform thickness, correct. I heavily considered printing the entire case but was concerned about cost and finishing quality. Furthermore, thickness variation doesn't actually buy me all that much. +5-10% uniformity or so

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard | Write-up Live
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 12:51:24 »
It's kinda funny that people are complaining about the 1.5u shift. If you have ever owned a 40% you would understand it is not a big deal. And changing the stagger is a big no-no.

It's a genuine concern for many who are into 75% boards but not own 40% boards/caps, though I agree that layout changes sacrificing 'correct' alpha stagger isn't the way to go about it.

Perhaps a 1.5u Rama artisan to go along with this keyboard could make everyone happy.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #142 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 13:03:19 »
Un-****ing-real!  :eek: This is the coolest design I have ever seen--if anything can truly be called "end-game" it would be this board.  I love that it's an algorithmic approach too.  :thumb:  If I wasn't trying to save money right now, I'd be all in on this--as it stands I'll probably just have to watch from the sidelines.  However, if it were 65%, I might not be able to stop myself...

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #143 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 13:24:50 »
sweet design! a more refined s75. didn't care for the OLED too much. I really like this.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #144 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 13:31:51 »
Does 1.5u Shift even exist? Checked all my recent sets and found nothing.

I'm wondering the same thing, idk if there is even a 1.5u shift in 40s kits. afaik I've never seen one.

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 14:06:45 »
love the design!

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« Reply #146 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 14:52:08 »
At some point, this is gonna go live, and I am gonna buy this. That is all I know....excellent work!!

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard | Write-up Live
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 15:42:02 »
It's kinda funny that people are complaining about the 1.5u shift. If you have ever owned a 40% you would understand it is not a big deal. And changing the stagger is a big no-no.

It's a genuine concern for many who are into 75% boards but not own 40% boards/caps, though I agree that layout changes sacrificing 'correct' alpha stagger isn't the way to go about it.

Perhaps a 1.5u Rama artisan to go along with this keyboard could make everyone happy.

that Rama artisan idea is a really good idea

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Re: [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 15:58:50 »
Didnít even see that it has a 1.5u shift, kinda weird thing in the keycap department. Easy to fill with alt/control or whatever but still weird.


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« Reply #149 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 16:43:26 »
Love to see projects like this pushing the boundaries and busting up conventional design.  I had thought I was done buying boards for a while, but this is innovative enough that I'm going to try really hard to get one.