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[IC] EPBT TA Origins
« on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:28:17 »


With a strong love for vintage keyboards and keycaps with sub legends I completely fell in love with the Triumph Adler series. It is difficult to find those keycaps in a good state and the original Triumph Adler typewriter has a really weird layout with blank shift keys, a L-shaped enter and a weird bottom row. That’s when Ryan (u/quaddepo) and Lucas (me) thought of coming together and bringing TA Origins to life.

TA Origins is a clean and calm set inspired by vintage Triumph Adler Gabriele typewriter series. It features a muted grey base with 2 tint of blue legends, a darker shade for the primary legends and a lighter more colorful blue for the sub-legends. A total of 4 kits featuring a big base kit compatible for most mainstream keyboards, a blue alternative mod kit, a dual-tone 40’s kit for our smaller keyboards and a numpad kit.




During the design phase we tried to get as much to know about the origin of the keyboard and keycaps as possible, during our search we discovered there we lots of different variations of legends out there from Latin to Russian. As we didn't want to overwhelm ourselves by covering everything we stuck with the most known Latin layout of the series.



For the colors we will try to stay close to the original Triumph Adler series, however there is quite a bit of variation from set to set. As a result we have a little creative freedom to get the best out of this colour scheme.

TA Origins will be like the Original Triumph Adler series with Cherry keycap profile with dyesubbing by EnjoyPBT.



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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:28:57 »
« Last Edit: Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:36:41 by dr_derivative »
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:30:41 »
Awesome very interested!

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:30:54 »
OMG it's happening!!!


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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:31:39 »
Whoop whoop! HYPE

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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:40:35 »
Super clean set!!

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:42:01 »
Nice!



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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:46:13 »
The mods would need to be reverse dyesubbed right?
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:47:49 »
As we didn't want to overwhelm ourselves by covering everything we stuck with the most known Latin layout of the series.

Nice try, the most common version of this is Qwertz!

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:57:24 »
The mods would need to be reverse dyesubbed right?

Yep, you're right

As we didn't want to overwhelm ourselves by covering everything we stuck with the most known Latin layout of the series.

Nice try, the most common version of this is Qwertz!


I probably worded that awkwardly. What I meant was we chose Latin legends over Cyrillic, etc. which also exist but are way less common. The legends we used are the ones found on the English layout of the typewriter since the vast majority of this community speak English.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:13:10 »
Just realised I completely forgot to include the preliminary kit layouts in the post  :-[ . I've updated it now
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:19:51 »
interested!

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:27:33 »
I am really liking the mod colour!

Is it based on any particular machine, or more the TA mod colours?

EDIT:

Was referring to this blue colour on a typewriter set:

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:27:37 »
Looks amazing! Not a fan of the colored mods, but definitely in for the Base kit!


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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:43:51 »
I like this colorway a lot! Very handsome, I'll keep my eyes out for this 👀

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:55:31 »

OK, in

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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:55:50 »
This looks even better than my Beta 220 set

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 18:00:51 »
Yes.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 18:03:47 »
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 19:39:47 »
Im in love.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 19:58:42 »
YES

Canadian vendor too please

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 21:03:52 »
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:06:22 »
This looks very nice, as an owner of the GMK TA90 set, I’m keeping an eye on this one. How close to the TA90 colour will the alphas be, any idea? If you’re interested in matching them, I can send you some alphas to refer to.

Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, you’re dye-subbing, so it can’t be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and you’re already making so many unusual keys anyway.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:07:45 »
Y.E.S.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:22:09 »
unless something has changed during the time of the epbt 2048 and this i dont think epbt has a 1.25u r3 mold for the 40s kit but im in for base and 40s regardless as long as it has the ortho keys heh

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 04:09:47 »
I am really liking the mod colour!

Is it based on any particular machine, or more the TA mod colours?

EDIT:

Was referring to this blue colour on a typewriter set:

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It was actually inspired by seeing people pair OG alphas with blue mods kits such as GMK Electric Bluegaloo. I'm not completely sure what shade we'll end up going with for the set. It might well be something similar to the blue backspace in that photo  ;D

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Vendors are still TBC, but we'll try to make sure we have proxies for every region

Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.

This looks very nice, as an owner of the GMK TA90 set, I’m keeping an eye on this one. How close to the TA90 colour will the alphas be, any idea? If you’re interested in matching them, I can send you some alphas to refer to.

Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, you’re dye-subbing, so it can’t be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and you’re already making so many unusual keys anyway.

It probably won't be matched to TA90. The colours are similar, but there is a ton of variation from set to set with the OG typewriter caps, so we have a bit of freedom to choose shades we like  ;D

Depending on the level of interest in this set we might add more kits. No promises though

unless something has changed during the time of the epbt 2048 and this i dont think epbt has a 1.25u r3 mold for the 40s kit but im in for base and 40s regardless as long as it has the ortho keys heh

Yeah, I know there might be some keys that need to be cut. We'll need to discuss with the manufacturer first to see what can or can't be done
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 04:46:36 »
I need this in my life... now!

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 05:05:58 »
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.

there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.

you might want to look into Infinikeys, the manufacturer that do Katakana Cherry PBT Sets,Sanctuary Rebirth , PBT Hive, their reverse dye-sub job is excellent. (though... you might need to contact them through theKeyCompany)
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:07:54 »
I am really liking the mod colour!

Is it based on any particular machine, or more the TA mod colours?

EDIT:

Was referring to this blue colour on a typewriter set:

Show Image


It was actually inspired by seeing people pair OG alphas with blue mods kits such as GMK Electric Bluegaloo. I'm not completely sure what shade we'll end up going with for the set. It might well be something similar to the blue backspace in that photo  ;D

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Vendors are still TBC, but we'll try to make sure we have proxies for every region

Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.

This looks very nice, as an owner of the GMK TA90 set, I’m keeping an eye on this one. How close to the TA90 colour will the alphas be, any idea? If you’re interested in matching them, I can send you some alphas to refer to.

Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, you’re dye-subbing, so it can’t be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and you’re already making so many unusual keys anyway.

It probably won't be matched to TA90. The colours are similar, but there is a ton of variation from set to set with the OG typewriter caps, so we have a bit of freedom to choose shades we like  ;D

Depending on the level of interest in this set we might add more kits. No promises though

unless something has changed during the time of the epbt 2048 and this i dont think epbt has a 1.25u r3 mold for the 40s kit but im in for base and 40s regardless as long as it has the ortho keys heh

Yeah, I know there might be some keys that need to be cut. We'll need to discuss with the manufacturer first to see what can or can't be done

Ok that explains the lighter blue for the mods. I was gonna say isn't OG TA sets a darker shade of blue, but I guess those are just the only ones I've seen, LOL! Anyways awesome looking kit I'll be keeping my eye on. Great work!

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:08:50 »
I had touch typing classes on these kinds of typewriters! I still have one at home that looks just like the first kit! That's so cool, might get this one :D

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:15:25 »
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.

there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.

you might want to look into Infinikeys, the manufacturer that do Katakana Cherry PBT Sets,Sanctuary Rebirth , PBT Hive, their reverse dye-sub job is excellent. (though... you might need to contact them through theKeyCompany)

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:33:10 »
Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, you’re dye-subbing, so it can’t be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and you’re already making so many unusual keys anyway.

Depending on the level of interest in this set we might add more kits. No promises though

Thanks. Let's see how this unfolds.

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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:03:54 »

there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.


Can you please link or show some pictured of the problems from this set?
i'm curious and don't doubt as reverse dye sub is always tricky, but the few pictures i have seen seem to be ok.

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:38:32 »

there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.


Can you please link or show some pictured of the problems from this set?
i'm curious and don't doubt as reverse dye sub is always tricky, but the few pictures i have seen seem to be ok.

The color is uneven. In other words, it is mottled. But it's hard to express it with photos.
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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:41:54 »
love what's in the 40s kit!!! Def getting one

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« Reply #35 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:24:02 »
have you thought about splitting the alphas and mods in the base set onto separate kits?

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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:52:56 »
have you thought about splitting the alphas and mods in the base set onto separate kits?
Yes, please. Or even two separate full base kits, preferably with a few duplicate keys in both colors (F1-F4, F9-F12, ~`, |\). Let's not waste plastic unnecessarily.

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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:53:56 »


epbt also seems to be doing ABS doubleshots now too, just food for thought

Please not ABS.

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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:55:07 »


epbt also seems to be doing ABS doubleshots now too, just food for thought

Please not ABS.

i prefer pbt also just throwing it out there lol

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 14:48:17 »
I really like the caps from these boards so color me interested. Are the blue mods going to be similar or matched to TA beta 8050? They seem a bit pale/blue

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:02:05 »
have you thought about splitting the alphas and mods in the base set onto separate kits?
Yes, please. Or even two separate full base kits, preferably with a few duplicate keys in both colors (F1-F4, F9-F12, ~`, |\). Let's not waste plastic unnecessarily.

We could do this. There does seem to be a lot of interest in the blue mods, so it makes sense that it's more than just an addon.

I really like the caps from these boards so color me interested. Are the blue mods going to be similar or matched to TA beta 8050? They seem a bit pale/blue

They probably won't be exactly matched, but we are planning to use a similar palish light blue for the mods.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:03:20 »
About the blue modkit; we will probably stick with reverse dyesub since the alphas need to be dyesubbed anyway. I think doubleshot ABS mods with PBT alphas would just be weird, I have a vintage keyset with mixed plastics and I would not recommend. The alphas could maybe be made with JTK tripleshot, but that would require a ton of new moulds if they can even tripleshot all the key sizes needed for this set.

Ideally we'd like to stick with ePBT for the blue mods. Kuro Shiro has a lot more contrast than this colourway, so these mods could easily come out a lot better. That's assuming they haven't improved their process in the meantime. If there do end up being issues we can look at an alternative, but discussing it now it a bit premature IMO.

Also, keep the suggestions coming for the kits. They'll all be considered when we finalise the kit layouts ;D
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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:21:09 »
Also, keep the suggestions coming for the kits. They'll all be considered when we finalise the kit layouts ;D
Well, two things: The comma and dot keys in the kit mockup just have... 2 commas and 2 dots, which I hope is an oversight and not by design; also, I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 17:15:03 »
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 21:01:32 »
I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

Might I interest you in this upcoming gb?:


https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0

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« Reply #46 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 03:39:39 »
I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

Might I interest you in this upcoming gb?:


https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0
Thanks! I'm having an eye on it but I'm not sure where to find WoB right now, do you think finding a WoB set will be easy in the future? Or at least WoB alphas?

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« Reply #47 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 03:42:47 »
I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

Might I interest you in this upcoming gb?:


https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0
Thanks! I'm having an eye on it but I'm not sure where to find WoB right now, do you think finding a WoB set will be easy in the future? Or at least WoB alphas?

We should not drift off topic, so if you have further questions about that gb, please post them there.

But, yes, I do think WOB will be available to buy in the future. It’s a standard set that comes up again and again on drop.com.

In fact I’m planning on buying several colevrak+ sets, and I don’t own a single WOB set yet!

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« Reply #48 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 03:50:57 »
yes pls gib

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 17:04:25 »
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Well, two things: The comma and dot keys in the kit mockup just have... 2 commas and 2 dots, which I hope is an oversight and not by design; also, I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

Two commas and two dots is what the OG set had. A lot of typewriters had the same thing, I'm not completely sure why TBH :)) We were considering a kit that replaces some of the weird typewriter legends with their modern equivalents. We'll have to see if there's enough interest  though since the quirky legends are part of the appeal IMO.

And a colevrak kit has been the pretty highly requested, so it's definitely something we'll consider

Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.

We can ask about this, but I'm not sure how well it would work in practice. I don't know how easy colour matching ABS to PBT is given the different properties of the plastic. It's also pretty easy to unwarp the spacebars with some boiling water. But we'll see what we can offer closer to GB stage ;D
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 17:28:15 »
Bought the GMK TA (sold) and TA90 but this is truly better. And yes ePBT. Count me in!
        

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 18:09:57 »
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.

We can ask about this, but I'm not sure how well it would work in practice. I don't know how easy colour matching ABS to PBT is given the different properties of the plastic. It's also pretty easy to unwarp the spacebars with some boiling water. But we'll see what we can offer closer to GB stage ;D

Great, thanks. I know for sure that HHKBs have an abs space bar (on pro1 and pro2 at least) with pbt everything else and I'm pretty sure Realforce boards do this as well, so I know it's possible to color match.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 21:36:21 »
Might be down for this set if the GB lands later in the year, and if the ENJOYPBT 3000SAT GB does not launch.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 05:23:30 »
Some kitting suggestions:
  • Add R3 PGUP and R4 PGDN to the base kit. This will help cover some popular 65% and 75% right column options.
  • Move R1 END and PGDN from the base to the numpad kit. These keys are only useful if there is a numpad present, e.g. on 1800, CP and 96-key layout boards, so they shouldn't be included in numpadless base kits.
  • Add a R1 = key in both white and blue to the numpad kit. Along with the already-present R4 00, this will help cover standalone numpads.
  • Consider using SCRL instead of SCRL↲LOCK and NUM instead of NUM↲LOCK for a more uniform, one-line look across the modifiers.
  • The 1.25u FUNC key seems a bit redundant since there is a 1.25u RELOC key of the same row. You may opt to keep both, or you may opt to discard one of them. The same goes for the FUNC and RELOC keys in the 40's kit.
  • Consider adding a R3 1.75u FUNC or RELOC key as another viable Caps replacement for people who like to remap Caps to Fn / layer controls. To me, at least, this seems like it would be more useful than a stepped R3 1.75u CTRL.

Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 09:27:26 »
Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.

Yeah, but why isn't the Delete key being offered with its own X-box? Strikes me as odd that this set would have ⌫ but no ⌦...

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 11:56:51 »
Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.
Yeah, but why isn't the Delete key being offered with its own X-box? Strikes me as odd that this set would have ⌫ but no ⌦...
I'd say because the surrounding keys of the Delete key are also not icons. It would look more odd to have Del as a symbol with Insert, Home et cetera as text than having a different style for BS (which will be close to Enter, which is also a symbol key) and Del.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 15:47:47 »
Some kitting suggestions:
  • Add R3 PGUP and R4 PGDN to the base kit. This will help cover some popular 65% and 75% right column options.
  • Move R1 END and PGDN from the base to the numpad kit. These keys are only useful if there is a numpad present, e.g. on 1800, CP and 96-key layout boards, so they shouldn't be included in numpadless base kits.
  • Add a R1 = key in both white and blue to the numpad kit. Along with the already-present R4 00, this will help cover standalone numpads.
  • Consider using SCRL instead of SCRL↲LOCK and NUM instead of NUM↲LOCK for a more uniform, one-line look across the modifiers.
  • The 1.25u FUNC key seems a bit redundant since there is a 1.25u RELOC key of the same row. You may opt to keep both, or you may opt to discard one of them. The same goes for the FUNC and RELOC keys in the 40's kit.
  • Consider adding a R3 1.75u FUNC or RELOC key as another viable Caps replacement for people who like to remap Caps to Fn / layer controls. To me, at least, this seems like it would be more useful than a stepped R3 1.75u CTRL.
Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.

  • We could do this, it's only 2 keys. Although the base kit already covers the Home-PgUp-PgDn-End column which is more popular I think?
  • Good catch, I hadn't thought of that
  • That should be possible I think
  • I was already considering this, I just don't want that area to look too empty when a lot of the modifiers have dual legends. I'll probably do renders with both and see which we prefer.
  • These keys are redundant, but we want people to be able to pick and choose the legends they want for some of the weirder keys. Although the reloc key was a lot weirder in older revisions so the FUNC key could probably be removed now.
  • Yes, I could probably add something to use as an R3 Fn key

And yeah, the ⌫ always gets a lot of hate, so we wanted to give people the choice between the OG legend and something a bit cleaner.

Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.

Yeah, but why isn't the Delete key being offered with its own X-box? Strikes me as odd that this set would have ⌫ but no ⌦...

Basically the reason stoffelduss gave, IMO ⌦ would look out of place surrounded with all text INS, HOME, END, etc.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 17:52:57 »
We could do this, it's only 2 keys. Although the base kit already covers the Home-PgUp-PgDn-End column which is more popular I think?
Here's an incomplete list of recent GMK sets that had these keys. As you can see, it's a very popular inclusion. In fact, some of the best selling 65% keyboards ever (ALT, Tada68, Whitefox) have had R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn as their main layout, which helped popularize this setup.

These keys are redundant, but we want people to be able to pick and choose the legends they want for some of the weirder keys. Although the reloc key was a lot weirder in older revisions so the FUNC key could probably be removed now.
Since the set already has plenty of novelty-ish legends, I think it would be totally fine to keep just RELOC and have it serve as the wildcard for Fn, Menu or anything else someone might want to put there.

Yes, I could probably add something to use as an R3 Fn key
Thanks!

And yeah, the ⌫ always gets a lot of hate, so we wanted to give people the choice between the OG legend and something a bit cleaner.
As someone who actually likes ⌫ backspaces (when they're done right), I'm glad it's an option. :)

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 19:54:17 »
I'm absolutely looking for this GB! It's clean and has a modern feeling despite its origins IMO.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 23 February 2020, 09:46:18 »
colevrak support, please?

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 23 February 2020, 09:48:43 »
colevrak support, please?

Read a little further up, there is already a plan to look into it for this set.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:33:04 »
Interested in the all white base kit, looks clean.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:49:26 »
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like.  The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room.  Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 28 February 2020, 18:46:24 »
Would love to have an all white base kit with the optional blue mod kit add on.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #64 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 06:41:29 »
I never imagined to see someone run a set like this. Super cool!


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« Reply #65 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 04:16:40 »
I never imagined to see someone run a set like this. Super cool!


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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 03 March 2020, 10:28:51 »
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like.  The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room.  Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?

+1 the render seems faded. Any chance for samples? TA color way is difficult to produce imo
        

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 03 March 2020, 15:46:00 »
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like.  The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room.  Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?

+1 the render seems faded. Any chance for samples? TA color way is difficult to produce imo

Yes, we will definitely get samples before any GB goes live. I'll work on doing a few more renders too, in the mean time here's two I did recently on the HEX.3C.


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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 08:20:09 »
I am really loving this set and have a couple of questions.

Do the profile rows go 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 from top to bottom?  I was trying to figure out if the ESC keys on the top row of the 40s kit are duplicates with the ESC keys in the base kit.
Looks like ortho and all 1u mods boards are pretty well covered except for the T+/T- and caps lock keys.  Any possibility of adding a 1u caps lock or ctrl key for R3 and a 1u T+/T- key for R2?

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 23:43:16 »
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like.  The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room.  Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?

+1 the render seems faded. Any chance for samples? TA color way is difficult to produce imo

Yes, we will definitely get samples before any GB goes live. I'll work on doing a few more renders too, in the mean time here's two I did recently on the HEX.3C.

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As long as you can keep it a deep and vivid blue for the alphas I'm in. Thought my favorite blue set was mizu, but this is looking extra nice.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 05 March 2020, 11:39:46 »
Definitely in for the subtle look. It’d cost hella much if you go with GMK so please keep it PBT

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« Reply #71 on: Thu, 05 March 2020, 14:54:47 »
I am really loving this set and have a couple of questions.

Do the profile rows go 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 from top to bottom?  I was trying to figure out if the ESC keys on the top row of the 40s kit are duplicates with the ESC keys in the base kit.
Looks like ortho and all 1u mods boards are pretty well covered except for the T+/T- and caps lock keys.  Any possibility of adding a 1u caps lock or ctrl key for R3 and a 1u T+/T- key for R2?

I should probably number the rows, it can get confusing with the ortho kits :D . The rows from top to bottom are 2-3-3-4-4-4-space with 'normal' western numbering. A lot of Chinese manufacturers including ePBT number them in reverse, so it would be 3-2-2-1-1-1-space I think. The esc keys in the ortho/40s kit are on the Q and A rows.

...

As long as you can keep it a deep and vivid blue for the alphas I'm in. Thought my favorite blue set was mizu, but this is looking extra nice.

I'll try to keep it pretty similar to those renders. I don't want anything too bright because it ruins the look a little bit IMO

Definitely in for the subtle look. It’d cost hella much if you go with GMK so please keep it PBT

GMK doesn't do tripleshots, and using pad printed sublegends would not go down well with a lot of people. So we won't be switching to GMK for this one anyway ;D
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 02:04:27 »
Count me in..

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #73 on: Thu, 12 March 2020, 00:28:33 »
I am really loving this set and have a couple of questions.

Do the profile rows go 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 from top to bottom?  I was trying to figure out if the ESC keys on the top row of the 40s kit are duplicates with the ESC keys in the base kit.
Looks like ortho and all 1u mods boards are pretty well covered except for the T+/T- and caps lock keys.  Any possibility of adding a 1u caps lock or ctrl key for R3 and a 1u T+/T- key for R2?

I should probably number the rows, it can get confusing with the ortho kits :D . The rows from top to bottom are 2-3-3-4-4-4-space with 'normal' western numbering. A lot of Chinese manufacturers including ePBT number them in reverse, so it would be 3-2-2-1-1-1-space I think. The esc keys in the ortho/40s kit are on the Q and A rows.

...

As long as you can keep it a deep and vivid blue for the alphas I'm in. Thought my favorite blue set was mizu, but this is looking extra nice.

I'll try to keep it pretty similar to those renders. I don't want anything too bright because it ruins the look a little bit IMO

Agreed, having it be a lighter blue would ruin the whole thing for me too. Even the light blue mods aren't really doing it for me, so I'm happy they are on another kit. It seems like we are on the same page, so hopefully this run is nothing but smooth sailing.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:36:00 »
Here are some updated the kit layouts. I'm pretty sure I took into account everyone's suggestions, but let me know if I missed something.

Colevrak, a blue base kit, and a normal legends kit are still TBC until we here back from ePBT about MOQs and stuff.

We've also created a discord server for updates about this set and other projects Ryan and I are working on. Joining the discord is completely optional, all updates will still be posted here of course ;D




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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 19:20:48 »
I would love to buy this one if there's an ISO-FR kit like in ePBT Mint.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 17 March 2020, 00:05:36 »
Base kit is an instant buy  :) non-standard symbols will be hella confusing but the kit is super clean
        

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 14:18:29 »
This looks great!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 02:11:45 »
Would it be possible to get a 1U R1 "WORD" in the small kit for Preonic?

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 02 April 2020, 19:59:09 »
are the homing keys bar and scooped only?

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 03 April 2020, 11:58:48 »
Would it be possible to get a 1U R1 "WORD" in the small kit for Preonic?

That should be possible, yes

are the homing keys bar and scooped only?

Answered you on discord, but for anyone else wondering the same thing; they're barred only.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 03 April 2020, 21:32:37 »
Would it be possible to get a 1U R1 "WORD" in the small kit for Preonic?

That should be possible, yes

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 05 April 2020, 01:46:04 »
This is going to be awesome.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #83 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 01:33:21 »
I appreciate the retro typewriter icons all over this, but it's not my thing even though the color scheme is. Maybe offer a non-novelty set for the wider audience :)

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« Reply #84 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 03:28:32 »
Possibly interested depending on how the final color of the mods turn out.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 13:12:06 »
This set looks killer, love the choice of ePBT over GMK, colors still look amazing
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #86 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 12:55:56 »
I am all in on this. waiting for updates

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #87 on: Mon, 29 June 2020, 13:30:30 »
Update time ;D

Firstly, sorry for the lack of updates recently. Both Ryan and I have been pretty busy lately with work and other stuff, but we have kept working on things behind the scenes.

We have requested some samples from EnjoyPBT, including both the regular and the blue mods. We'll post some photos when they arrive so you can see how they turned out. I know some people have raised concerns about ePBT's reverse dyesubbing. If the quality of the samples ends up being not so good we might consider going with someone else, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

We will also be offering two base kits, one with white and one with blue mods. ePBT's MOQ is for the total number of base kits, not per base kit as we assumed initially, so this won't affect the chances of not hitting MOQ. I will be updating the kit layouts with this change soon. This will make things a lot cheaper compared to buying the blue mods as an add-on. It does remove the option of buying just the blue mods to pair with either the OG keycaps or other keysets, but I think this change will make the majority happy.
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #88 on: Mon, 29 June 2020, 13:38:15 »
Update time ;D

Firstly, sorry for the lack of updates recently. Both Ryan and I have been pretty busy lately with work and other stuff, but we have kept working on things behind the scenes.

We have requested some samples from EnjoyPBT, including both the regular and the blue mods. We'll post some photos when they arrive so you can see how they turned out. I know some people have raised concerns about ePBT's reverse dyesubbing. If the quality of the samples ends up being not so good we might consider going with someone else, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

We will also be offering two base kits, one with white and one with blue mods. ePBT's MOQ is for the total number of base kits, not per base kit as we assumed initially, so this won't affect the chances of not hitting MOQ. I will be updating the kit layouts with this change soon. This will make things a lot cheaper compared to buying the blue mods as an add-on. It does remove the option of buying just the blue mods to pair with either the OG keycaps or other keysets, but I think this change will make the majority happy.

Possibly my most anticipated set thus far in 2020. Looking forward to seeing the next update.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #89 on: Mon, 29 June 2020, 13:40:02 »
fantastic news. was thinking about this a few days ago too.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 14:25:02 »
i'm really excited about this.  currently using an old cherry 1800 keyboard with TA Origins keycaps on it, and i suspect this might look even better!

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 19:24:30 »
That's clean! I'd definitely be down for this if there were a Canadian proxy. 

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 04:02:55 »
Same.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 16 September 2020, 11:11:10 »
Any chance of an NorDe kit? It's such a beautiful set, but sadly a no thanks without æøå for me.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #94 on: Wed, 16 September 2020, 14:02:22 »
It's already decided - I'm getting all kits in an instant : ) Such a well crafted set! Kudos towards dr_derivative.
Keep us informed on the progress and please, please, take care for EU vendor : )

On a sidenote:
I'm not sure why people decide to invest money into bright colored sets in ABS at all. Shine could be considered as a pro or as a con, depending on preferences. But potential yellowing of the keycaps is unacceptable IMO, yet it's not being mentioned that often I realized.

We invest in all those pricey sets mainly for aesthetics and every subtlety may decide whether it's a dream come true, or a no-go situation. Imagine this fresh-white look becoming aged vintage butter in matter of months if you happen to expose your workdesk to a sunrays too much.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 16 September 2020, 15:05:54 »
Many bright colourways that are popular in ABS [9009, TA, classic beige, B on W and W on B, Red Alert] actually make more sense as PBT sets.

I've ordered Shoko, and if I ever receive it, I'll enjoy it for its fleeting beauty.

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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #96 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 19:03:49 »
Any chance of an NorDe kit? It's such a beautiful set, but sadly a no thanks without æøå for me.

We might do a minimal NorDe kit with just the extra accented letters and stuff. For symbols there's not much point since they're all incorrect for ANSI too ;D

Keep us informed on the progress and please, please, take care for EU vendor : )

Ryan and I are both European, we wouldn't run without one

I'm not sure why people decide to invest money into bright colored sets in ABS at all. Shine could be considered as a pro or as a con, depending on preferences. But potential yellowing of the keycaps is unacceptable IMO, yet it's not being mentioned that often I realized.

Yellowing isn't so much of a problem with modern, good quality ABS. Personally, while I was moving houses I ended up using my window sill as temporary keyboard storage for far too long (nearly a year lol). Some Tai Hao ABS keycaps ended up yellow AF, but my SP ABS caps were completely unaffected. Oddly enough, some cheapo PBT keycaps were actually bleached by the sunlight, so I guess you get what you pay for no matter what material you choose.

Regardless, you shouldn't have to worry about it for this set ;D
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Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
« Reply #97 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 23:13:21 »
This set hits all the right spots as someone who had an origin story as a TA.