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[IC] Wyvern - Premium Southpaw 65% - OPTIONS/COLORS POLL UP!
« on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 20:37:44 »
OPTIONS POLL UP : https://forms.gle/NerTPP2Asez42f6E9
DISCORD SERVER: https://discord.gg/tpkYtVG


Hello everyone!
My name is Albert, and I run Mystic Works, a one-man operation designing custom keyboards. This project originally started as a personal one due to (in my opinion) the lack of variety in the southpaw market. I think this niche hasnít been filled yet, so Iím running an IC to gauge interest for a group buy. This has been in the works for months, so without further ado,


Presenting the Wyvern!



INTEREST CHECK LINK: https://forms.gle/kUsbT4AxK18Gt2DF9
DISCORD SERVER: https://discord.gg/tpkYtVG


Inspired by the AEGIS by aeboards, I decided that the idea of a left-handed numpad would do wonders for me as at the time I worked at a job that featured heavy spreadsheet usage and thus extended use of my right-handed numpad. Cutting off the function row to reduce size and shifting arrows to the right is the layout that I have decided on now. Offset arrow keys make the 65% layout look nicer and less compressed, in my opinion.


Here are the planned features/specifications:
 - Top mount
 - Aluminum top/bottom piece, seamless sides
 - Brass bottom weight
 - Brass or polycarbonate plates
 - USB C Daughterboard based on ai03ís unified daughterboard
 - 6 degree slope
 - QMK powered


Planned layouts:

These have been updated since initial the IC to add more numpad compatibility.

PCB is designed by Maarten of maartenwut.com. Heís designed many PCBs before including the Wonderland (Alice) PCB and the Plain60 PCB.
ISO is available!



Colors/Styles:
 - Aluminum Case: Blasted, then anodized black for sure, maybe gray, maybe navy. Again, trying to keep the amount of options low for ease of fulfillment. Fill out the IC form please! All colors will be anodized, but if there is overwhelming demand for e-white or something of that sort, I will consider it, but it will be significantly more expensive.
 - Brass Weight: Likely a clear PVD or at least some sort of coating since I hate tarnish. Will consider others, though. All depends on how high of a quality standard the factory can meet.
 - Brass Plate: Same finishes will be offered as the weight. Full plate in either mirrored numpad or "normal" numpad offered.
 - Polycarbonate Plate: A traditional frosted polycarbonate. Full plate in either mirrored numpad or "normal" numpad offered.
 - PCBs: matte black solder mask with nice silkscreen markings to assist with the building process. ai03-based universal daughterboard. One universal SKU only.


Current status/updates:
3/18: Design work is 90% done, Iím happy with how the board looks and Iím pretty sure not much about it is going to change between now and a GB run, but if you have any suggestions to offer, again please fill out the IC form, there is a spot for that. If you have any burning questions, suggestions, or advice for me, please join the discord server, as I'm the most active there, versus GH, where I'm probably going to post periodic updates only.
3/19: Added more compatibility to numpad, will add 2u keys on the right layout as well. All three numpad options in the IC form are encompassed!
3/22: Numpad now has options for normal or mirrored, all 2u keys on it can be split into 1u keys. Gap between alphas and numpad has been increased to 0.5u.
3/25: Design nearing proto 1 stage, looking for factories- PM me if you know any good ones. OPTIONS POLL UP : https://forms.gle/NerTPP2Asez42f6E9


Renders aren't the best at the moment, but mostly looking for feedback regarding the general design/layout. Better renders are coming! Guys if anyone knows how to render please contact me I am in dire need


Thanks to everyone in advance!
- Albert
« Last Edit: Wed, 25 March 2020, 23:40:15 by mysticworks »

Offline mysticworks

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Re: [IC] Wyvern - Premium Southpaw 65%
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 20:38:35 »
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Offline Rubydestroyer

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Re: [IC] Wyvern - Premium Southpaw 65%
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 20:40:41 »
Looks good, I'm interested.

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 20:50:07 »
Small nitpick but the blocker size separating the numpad is a bit thinner than the blocker size separating the nav cluster on the other side.

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:17:25 »
Small nitpick but the blocker size separating the numpad is a bit thinner than the blocker size separating the nav cluster on the other side.
Pretty sure that's necessary unless you drop the nav cluster down to 3 tho, no?

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:20:33 »
Small nitpick but the blocker size separating the numpad is a bit thinner than the blocker size separating the nav cluster on the other side.
Pretty sure that's necessary unless you drop the nav cluster down to 3 tho, no?
Talking about the vertical blocker. Not the top and bottom bezels.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:25:59 »
Small nitpick but the blocker size separating the numpad is a bit thinner than the blocker size separating the nav cluster on the other side.
Pretty sure that's necessary unless you drop the nav cluster down to 3 tho, no?
Talking about the vertical blocker. Not the top and bottom bezels.
Yes... That's what I mean. You can't make it the same width or the clusters will no longer be separated. The arrows and nav would be touching.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:32:36 »
Small nitpick but the blocker size separating the numpad is a bit thinner than the blocker size separating the nav cluster on the other side.

That blocker is .25u, whereas blocker on right side is .5u. It's by design, I wanted to minimize the space between the two "sides" of the board. Thanks for the feedback, I'll change it up and see how it looks tomorrow!

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:34:06 »
Yeah. I'm an idiot. You meant make the left one wider. I got it. Yeah. It'd make the board a little wider. Would help with the symmetry.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:34:42 »
Small nitpick but the blocker size separating the numpad is a bit thinner than the blocker size separating the nav cluster on the other side.
Pretty sure that's necessary unless you drop the nav cluster down to 3 tho, no?
Talking about the vertical blocker. Not the top and bottom bezels.
Yes... That's what I mean. You can't make it the same width or the clusters will no longer be separated. The arrows and nav would be touching.
Oh I meant widening the one next to the numpad. I can see the confusion now.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:36:12 »
Small nitpick but the blocker size separating the numpad is a bit thinner than the blocker size separating the nav cluster on the other side.
Pretty sure that's necessary unless you drop the nav cluster down to 3 tho, no?
Talking about the vertical blocker. Not the top and bottom bezels.
Yes... That's what I mean. You can't make it the same width or the clusters will no longer be separated. The arrows and nav would be touching.
Oh I meant widening the one next to the numpad. I can see the confusion now.
Haha. Yeah. Woops. My bad XD.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 22:52:36 »
Interested.
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 23:07:37 »
Very interested. love southpaw. Hopefully this makes it to group buy. A navy one would be awesome.

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 23:16:40 »
Interested. Will it use USB Type C?

Case is at 6 degrees, uses a Type-C daughterboard.

Very interested. love southpaw. Hopefully this makes it to group buy. A navy one would be awesome.

Southpaw is great! Navy is one of my top choices too.
« Last Edit: Wed, 18 March 2020, 23:18:53 by mysticworks »

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 23:17:30 »
Interested. Will it use USB Type C?

Case is at 6 degrees, uses a Type-C daughterboard.
Yeah missed all that, I need some sleep lol.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 23:40:49 »
I like where this is going, but not sold on the case design. Seems a bit too ďplainĒ for a high end board, but could just be me. (talking about the sides)

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 01:07:33 »
Left-handed Numpad is the correct way!  :D
Looking really interesting, congrats and stay strong!

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 01:18:29 »
Wouldnít exactly call this a 65% board. More like an 85%. Why put the arrows on the right side and not the left? For spreadsheet work, itíd be nice to have them both on the left

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 09:42:26 »
I made a full size with the arrows and numpad on the left. It's difficult to use for modifiers+arrows because you train your left hand to use lctl. rctl and ralt rarely get used so you cross your hands to access the nav cluster. this is the best layout, and it supports iso well which the aegis wasn't suited to.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 11:28:30 »
Wouldnít exactly call this a 65% board. More like an 85%. Why put the arrows on the right side and not the left? For spreadsheet work, itíd be nice to have them both on the left

I made a full size with the arrows and numpad on the left. It's difficult to use for modifiers+arrows because you train your left hand to use lctl. rctl and ralt rarely get used so you cross your hands to access the nav cluster. this is the best layout, and it supports iso well which the aegis wasn't suited to.

^ This is what I had in mind- I use left control basically exclusively to do stuff. Initial design actually did have arrows in the middle, but very quickly decided that I use lcontrol too much for that. Also yea, supports ISO better. Plus, this way you can do numpad + arrows at the same time more comfortably than if they were both on one side.


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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 11:35:42 »
Makes sense to have numpad on left (data entry) and have navigation on right (arrows, mouse). Just like the AEBoards EXT65

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 11:44:47 »
Itís an extended 65% (I.e., a 65% with numpad).

Left side numpad is great; reversed layout left side numpad is best.

Better to have arrow keys on the right, it would seem to be better for spreadsheet work (navigate with right hand and data entry with left hand). Plus you can always use numlock or layer an arrow cluster onto the numpad if you wanted to use arrow keys on the left.

I will buy buy buy

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 11:49:12 »
Itís an extended 65% (I.e., a 65% with numpad).

Left side numpad is great; reversed layout left side numpad is best.

Better to have arrow keys on the right, it would seem to be better for spreadsheet work (navigate with right hand and data entry with left hand). Plus you can always use numlock or layer an arrow cluster onto the numpad if you wanted to use arrow keys on the left.

I will buy buy buy

Numpad is reversed layout! And yes, QMK is going to let us do some cool stuff with Numlock + layers. 


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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:05:11 »
Will this be a limited run? In other words, will there by a max number of kits that will be available for purchase?

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:06:21 »
The only thing keeping this from being my dream MX board is the mirrored numpad. I really hope option for non-mirrored is present.

Also eWhite!

Thanks for putting this out. Very exciting.

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:32:47 »
The only thing keeping this from being my dream MX board is the mirrored numpad. I really hope option for non-mirrored is present.

Also eWhite!

Thanks for putting this out. Very exciting.

Don't think mirrored should be that hard to learn since the same keys are hit with the same fingers just on the other hand- also there is an option for a 1x1 numpad which you can swap caps around and QMK to be a non-mirrored 1x1 numpad.

Thank you for the support!

Will this be a limited run? In other words, will there by a max number of kits that will be available for purchase?

Yes, this will be limited since I have a limited capacity to handle QC/shipping, but it won't be "25 units" low.


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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:38:01 »
Don't think mirrored should be that hard to learn since the same keys are hit with the same fingers just on the other hand- also there is an option for a 1x1 numpad which you can swap caps around and QMK to be a non-mirrored 1x1 numpad.

Thank you for the support!

For sure. I actually enjoy learning new layouts. I just think non-mirrored looks a lot better. Of course, do what you and the voters want most. Just wanted my vote in. ^__^

Also, I'd love to see a split spacebar option.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:45:25 »
I love the stagger on this, looks super clean :)

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 13:45:43 »
Don't think mirrored should be that hard to learn since the same keys are hit with the same fingers just on the other hand- also there is an option for a 1x1 numpad which you can swap caps around and QMK to be a non-mirrored 1x1 numpad.

Thank you for the support!

For sure. I actually enjoy learning new layouts. I just think non-mirrored looks a lot better. Of course, do what you and the voters want most. Just wanted my vote in. ^__^

Also, I'd love to see a split spacebar option.

Yea, no problem! Probably no split bars, but there does seem to be a certain amount of demand for it... We'll see.

I love the stagger on this, looks super clean :)

Thank you! I love the layout too.

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 18:56:31 »
Hopped on the canvas because I was interested in southpaw, but this one's layout seems a lil bit neater. I'm into it. Keepin an eye on it

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 23:53:35 »
Hopped on the canvas because I was interested in southpaw, but this one's layout seems a lil bit neater. I'm into it. Keepin an eye on it

Goal was to create one of the best possible versions of this layout. Thank you for the support!

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 03:06:04 »
I think this look really good man. Might cop it for work

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 06:19:30 »
Looks really good, I'm interested but I wanna propose a change: Have you considered leaving some space in the bottom left corner of the main block of keys? A bit like this one, I mean: https://i.imgur.com/cqHsbGs.jpg. To me, it looks slightly unbalanced that the right side has these interesting shapes of free space and the left side just has this thin straight line of free space. I looked at this in KLE and I like it more, visually. It's not symmetrical of course but it looks _more_ symmetrical. Maybe it looks good to you as well?

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 09:10:43 »
Looks really good, I'm interested but I wanna propose a change: Have you considered leaving some space in the bottom left corner of the main block of keys? A bit like this one, I mean: https://i.imgur.com/cqHsbGs.jpg. To me, it looks slightly unbalanced that the right side has these interesting shapes of free space and the left side just has this thin straight line of free space. I looked at this in KLE and I like it more, visually. It's not symmetrical of course but it looks _more_ symmetrical. Maybe it looks good to you as well?

Edit: this suggestion looked interesting but I did not think about the lack of left control which I enjoy very much. Very interesting keyboard overall!
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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 09:48:01 »
I'd buy either way, but the gap between win and numpad makes it feel less symmetrical to me overall.
 

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 09:52:41 »
Looks really good, I'm interested but I wanna propose a change: Have you considered leaving some space in the bottom left corner of the main block of keys? A bit like this one, I mean: https://i.imgur.com/cqHsbGs.jpg. To me, it looks slightly unbalanced that the right side has these interesting shapes of free space and the left side just has this thin straight line of free space. I looked at this in KLE and I like it more, visually. It's not symmetrical of course but it looks _more_ symmetrical. Maybe it looks good to you as well?

I can see where you are coming from. However, with the addition of the right-most column of keys and the numpad on the left, there is no real hope for symmetry. I think, as others have pointed out ITT, the traditional location of LCtrl is pretty much essential and trumps symmetry in a design like this. If you take that away, you have the same issue as the Aegis. Besides, there are lots of 75% boards (E7-V1, Sat75, Polaris75, 7V, Evolv 75, etc.) that have the same layout as this (the numpad and F-row notwithstanding), and it feels right.

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 11:15:02 »
Really interested by this board ! Keep the left ctrl please, and I really hope for a 0.5u blocker between the numpad and the main cluster.

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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 14:04:11 »
Really interested by this board ! Keep the left ctrl please, and I really hope for a 0.5u blocker between the numpad and the main cluster.

Left control will be there, I've decided on no blockers after some consideration. Decision on the 0.5u blocker will be made today, leaning towards the 0.5u right now.

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Re: [IC] Wyvern - Premium Southpaw 65% - Updates!
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 21:40:34 »
Hey everyone, quick update.

As in the OP, new numpad compatibility has been added since there was demand for all three layouts.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/4b241fcb5cfe1fa80b04230ea5e48af6

Gap changed to 0.5u, and due to this design change I'm taking the opportunity to remodel and optimize the top mounting positions for a more even typing experience. Hopefully, this and engraving will be ready for an initial protoyping by the starting weeks of April!

Thanks everyone for the immense support so far, I read every comment/discord message I get, so feel free to DM me with any comments/suggestions.

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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 23:38:51 »
I like where this is going, but not sold on the case design. Seems a bit too ďplainĒ for a high end board, but could just be me. (talking about the sides)

Sorry about how late this response is, didn't see this. I decided on a more low-key design because this was meant to be my "work" board- something very flashy would not have worked well in that environment. I was trying to emphasize the layout more than the board design itself. In addition, I'm trying to keep machining costs, etc lower, so that also fueled my decision on this matter.  :thumb: