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Offline FreshFromTheGrave

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Hey everyone, I'm pleased to announce the first feedback round for my new keyset I'm calling "kam_superuser"! It's based on the idea of command-line terminals, sysadmin and server room consoles. Before moving onto a more formal IC stage I'd love to get your feedback, ideas and concerns on the design so far. At the moment everything is up for debate: colourways, legends and profile. I'm really keen to see this concept through to reality and make sure it's something the community wants as well.

First of all lets take a look at some renders:






The typeface is a monospace font that would look right at home in a CMD prompt or bash terminal. The legends are designed to look like commands being typed into a terminal behind a cursor.

Profile has now settled on KAT/KAM as Signature Plastics don't seem to do any reverse or all over dye subbing meaning we can't have light legends on dark caps.

I hope you all like it and your feedback on any aspect of this design is welcome and needed! This is the first set I'm designing to try and realise my vision of taking keysets away from simple colourway changes and into a more designed space leveraging the flexibility of dye subbing to tap into the potential of this blank canvas in front of me :D

*UPDATE 1*

Following feedback from you guys and from Reddit the following changes are being made:

Profile: DSA is out as this colourway is not possible with SP. It is now between KAT and KAM. KAM fits the aesthetic far better but so far KAT is proving more popular.

Legends: Drive letter alphas are out. Opinion is also split over the command prompt style mods. There will be an alternative set of mods for those who do not like these. They may be plain text or image based as a catch all.

Colour: Many of you did not like the original teal/mint colour. This has been shifted slightly into 353C green. This colour has less blue in it but is still a desaturated green.




Why am I not going full saturated green like GMK Terminal? While it may be more authentic, this type of green is generally not very appealing and becomes garish. By desaturating the green we get something that is visually pleasing and still gets the idea across. By brightening it in this way we also attempt to visually imitate emissive properties of monitors that we don't have in plastics. Examples of very saturated greens are below:




Layouts: As many layouts as are practically possible will be made! Folks have asked for Ergodox, ortho, colemak, dvorak layouts etc. I will be attempting to accommodate as many of you as I can.

*UPDATE 2*
Small update on a potential alternate set for those who dislike the >:\cmd_ style keys, inspired by terminal highlighting:



« Last Edit: Thu, 18 June 2020, 15:23:37 by FreshFromTheGrave »

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Re: DSA_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 07 June 2020, 11:12:51 »

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Mixing bash scripts syntax in the images with keycaps with drive letters (a drive mounting mechanism used by operating systems of old, and which only survives in Windows, and for not good reasons) strikes me as just plain wrong.

Unix FTW.

Offline Zilleon

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:33:03 »
I absolutely love the idea, please take my money :)

But I also didn't like the drive letters, I generally think that more could be explored in the legends, like what about things like "ls", "grep", "cd" and so on, could be really cool :)

Another thing that could be really awesome would be to explore color schemes like Atom One Dark which also bluish and has a very nice green to it as well, that could potentially go really well with a terminal/shell/command line set

And please consider Kat profile instead :)

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:44:19 »
I agree with getting rid of the drive numbers. Do you plan to add numpad support?

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Re: DSA_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:44:44 »

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Mixing bash scripts syntax in the images with keycaps with drive letters (a drive mounting mechanism used by operating systems of old, and which only survives in Windows, and for not good reasons) strikes me as just plain wrong.

Unix FTW.

Kinda agree here, and imo "superuser" implies Unix

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:59:01 »
honestly, love everything about this.

Offline FreshFromTheGrave

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 16:00:53 »
Thanks everyone! I've been getting some feedback on Reddit as well and some changes are coming:

  • Drive letters are out - not one single person likes them!
  • The green has been adjusted slightly away from the mint/teal colour and more towards a monochrome CRT green. It's a subtle change as I don't want it to be a garish green - new renders coming probably tomorrow. I feel it won't be possible to please everyone on this so I've trusted my design instincts :) (I am a colourist after all!)
  • Colours now have proper Pantone matches as well: 353C green, 4280C dark grey, 7445C light grey.
  • There is split opinion on the mods - some dislike the command prompt styling and so there will be alternatives, either plain text or iconography based mods/novelties for those that don't like this.
  • DSA profile is out - It appears Signature Plastics can't/won't do reverse dye subbing or otherwise don't allow light legends on dark caps. KAT/KAM profile is probably the only way forward. My inclination is towards KAM for the intended aesthetic but KAT is proving more popular.
  • Folks want as much support for different kits as possible: Ergodox, ortho, colemak, dvorak etc. As many layouts as are practically possible will be made! Numpad has been done, just isn't shown in the renders yet.

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 16:15:21 »
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  • DSA profile is out - It appears Signature Plastics can't/won't do reverse dye subbing or otherwise don't allow light legends on dark caps. KAT/KAM profile is probably the only way forward. My inclination is towards KAM for the intended aesthetic but KAT is proving more popular.


I’m a fan of KAM and would be keen on supporting this set in KAM profile. I think it’s less popular at the moment simply because there haven’t been that many sets in KAM yet.


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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 16:24:43 »
Love the concept - also agree mixing bash and CMD doesn't feel great. Would prefer full Unix personally.

Also, the just pedantic point ever about the renders: in my mind I imagine power users using something like vim as opposed to sublime and nano
« Last Edit: Tue, 09 June 2020, 04:08:08 by calvers70 »

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 16:28:51 »
Love the concept

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 17:38:09 »
I can finally feel like a hacker from an 80s action movie

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 20:49:17 »
I can understand the reasoning for all the :\ _ symbols, but having them appear repeatedly on adjacent keys makes them look highly redundant, and makes the board look cluttered. Just the choice of colours should get the idea across effectively enough for those with sufficient experience.

That said, with colours, the green is shifted significantly away from what the original greenscreens were (a much purer green, versus the almost aqua/blue of the text). Is this a deliberate aesthetic choice, as I guess the pure green might be a bit much.

Offline FreshFromTheGrave

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 1]
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:40:47 »
Main post updated with the most common feedback and the new colours :) green is now 353C and the greys have also been given proper Pantone codes.

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 1]
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:53:08 »
Good work! The overall design is quite appealing, I would love to see a fitting deskmat.

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Re: DSA_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 09 June 2020, 15:43:40 »
Mixing bash scripts syntax in the images with keycaps with drive letters (a drive mounting mechanism used by operating systems of old, and which only survives in Windows, and for not good reasons) strikes me as just plain wrong.
Unix FTW.

My PDP-11 runs both RSX-11 (with _double_ drive letters), Unix v7 and 2.11 BSD. What now?  :))

Offline geewiz

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Re: DSA/KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 09 June 2020, 15:49:59 »
I've been a sysadmin for too long to not pick up this set, and I agree with jamster:

I can understand the reasoning for all the :\ _ symbols, but having them appear repeatedly on adjacent keys makes them look highly redundant, and makes the board look cluttered. Just the choice of colours should get the idea across effectively enough for those with sufficient experience.

Offline fireworm

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 1]
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 09 June 2020, 16:49:36 »
Please, consider infinikey or KAT.

I like your colors. :)

Offline Sxander

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 1]
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 12 June 2020, 09:10:37 »
Absolutely love this. Had something similar in mind myself but never got very far.

Dig the color scheme, would love to see a warm toned version (perhaps as a second run)!

Can't wait to see the novelties!

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Re: DSA_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback]
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 13 June 2020, 16:10:23 »
Mixing bash scripts syntax in the images with keycaps with drive letters (a drive mounting mechanism used by operating systems of old, and which only survives in Windows, and for not good reasons) strikes me as just plain wrong.
Unix FTW.

My PDP-11 runs both RSX-11 (with _double_ drive letters), Unix v7 and 2.11 BSD. What now?  :))

Now I have an envy attack, because you have a PDP-11.  :thumb:

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 1]
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 13 June 2020, 18:10:00 »
Hey I think your keycaps look sick :thumb: you should make  a set for Vortex Core's layout. (double spacebar, small modifier keys, possibly the side printed alternate keys)
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/f69146792aedb7ccea48a441d73ce916


Offline FreshFromTheGrave

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 1]
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 15:22:15 »
Hey folks, small update. Here is a possible alternate set for those who dislike the >:\cmd_ style keys, inspired by terminal highlighting:





Thoughts?

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 1]
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 16:42:10 »
Hey folks, small update. Here is a possible alternate set for those who dislike the >:\cmd_ style keys, inspired by terminal highlighting:

Thoughts?

Yes! This one is going to be mine, provided the kitting is okay. I might even take ortho and HHKB sets.
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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 1]
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 21:47:00 »
Hey folks, small update. Here is a possible alternate set for those who dislike the >:\cmd_ style keys, inspired by terminal highlighting:

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Thoughts?

Yes, this is a solid creative direction. Excited to see where this goes. Also would love to see this stay as KAM and glossy. Too many folks give feedback that make sets like this more homogenous and reduce diversity in our community… please feel free to resist and stay true to a vision you feel good about, whatever that is.
« Last Edit: Fri, 19 June 2020, 21:56:33 by tectonicplate »

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 2]
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 22 June 2020, 21:08:39 »
Drive letters are cute, but I’m glad you dropped them. The new green makes much more sense, and I agree that full saturation is a bad idea. I’m happy with KAM over DSA. I like the command line mods, but I’m on ortho so they probably wouldn’t fit very well, the selected text mods seem like a good alternative, though I would like to see them on ortho.

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 2]
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 22 June 2020, 22:52:21 »
Hey folks, small update. Here is a possible alternate set for those who dislike the >:\cmd_ style keys, inspired by terminal highlighting:

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Thoughts?
I wonder how a solid block of colour after the text in the style of a terminal caret/cursor would look instead? I love this concept but I'm really not keen on the lack of horizontal padding but as Pyk_ said you l they may become difficult to fit all some mods if you make them even wider.

I'd love to see a few more novelty mods as well, maybe with references to common programs, e.g. cat, less

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 2]
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:48:29 »
Thanks everyone! I am reading and taking in everything, I believe I now have enough to go on to begin working towards a proper IC. I know that it won't be possible to please everyone on every point, but I will be making an effort to make a reasonable amount of options available.

Intermediate to do list:
Figure out all the kits.
Make more (within reason) alternative mods - these will all form the novelties as I feel that icon based novelties don't really fit.
Branding and renders.

For now I leave you all with a quick little hero logo ;)

« Last Edit: Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:53:03 by FreshFromTheGrave »

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 2]
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 08:20:22 »
GET IN MY BELLY.

Seriously though... these are the caps I'm dreaming about. Make it so.

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Re: KAM_Superuser - a command-line inspired keyset [feedback - update 2]
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 26 June 2020, 23:28:50 »
its like the KAM version of GMK Hammerhead. Which I really like. Not really KAM (would prefer KAT) but better than GMK :thumbsup: