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Offline Bootshine

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #250 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 01:36:08 »
Very interested in this one.  Looking forward to GB info.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #251 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 03:31:29 »
Interested in this being my first keyboard!

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #252 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 03:43:14 »
ai03 (avoiding the ping for now), the Vega PCB is again flexy, as Polaris, right? And I donít see a USB daughterboard.

Sorry if you answered this already, if so, please point me at your answer.

Will Vega also have the same behaviour with the USB port flexing against the case, as here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/h7gofy/polaris_owners_usb_port_stress/

Admittedly, in normal use that wonít be a problem.

And further, just for my own education, Iíve been told the USB daughterboard is more to assist layout of the PCB than to safeguard against flex of the PCB / movement of the USB port.

What is your motivation? I guess youíd be the authority on this, since most other designers use your daughterboard!


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« Reply #253 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 06:55:08 »
this is it cheef so hyped for this

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #254 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 07:00:49 »
would love to try one of these. looking forward to the gb

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #255 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 11:46:40 »
ai03 (avoiding the ping for now), the Vega PCB is again flexy, as Polaris, right? And I donít see a USB daughterboard.

Sorry if you answered this already, if so, please point me at your answer.

Will Vega also have the same behaviour with the USB port flexing against the case, as here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/h7gofy/polaris_owners_usb_port_stress/

Admittedly, in normal use that wonít be a problem.

And further, just for my own education, Iíve been told the USB daughterboard is more to assist layout of the PCB than to safeguard against flex of the PCB / movement of the USB port.

What is your motivation? I guess youíd be the authority on this, since most other designers use your daughterboard!


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It's to keep the cost as low as possible. He had mentioned it in his discord.

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[IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #256 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 13:02:58 »
It's to keep the cost as low as possible. He had mentioned it in his discord.

Great, thanks. So will the Vega have similar movement of the USB port?

<EDIT:> Ah, I see Polaris has USB on one side, Vega has it in the middle. And maybe the USB port is then closer to gasket support than on Polaris as well.
« Last Edit: Sat, 04 July 2020, 13:06:17 by FlitzDeelman »

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #257 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 18:05:27 »
How does hot-swap work with a gasket mount system??

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« Reply #258 on: Sun, 05 July 2020, 18:00:35 »
At last someone made endgame layout: 7u bottom, normal caps lock for using it as fn or ctrl, 65% and also hotswap and plate material choices are so dope

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #259 on: Sun, 05 July 2020, 20:28:13 »
This looks CLEAN. Count me in.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #260 on: Sun, 05 July 2020, 22:55:05 »
I'm 100% in for an all black one. I will cry myself to sleep for several weeks if I miss this.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #261 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 01:17:51 »
Have you considered reversing the split spacebar to 2.75u on the left? I don't understand why so many recent boards woth splits leave that out.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #262 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 07:02:48 »
Have you considered reversing the split spacebar to 2.75u on the left? I don't understand why so many recent boards woth splits leave that out.

It's a matter of preference. I would also prefer 2.75u on the left.

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« Reply #263 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 11:16:34 »
How does hot-swap work with a gasket mount system??

Standoffs connecting the PCB to the plate.
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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #264 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 16:15:03 »
Interested regardless, but I'd prefer something closer to the DZ65 or TADA68 layout, with 2-3 keys next to the arrows; the blocker seems like wasted space.
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« Reply #265 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 16:18:13 »
Interested regardless, but I'd prefer something closer to the TADA68 layout, with 2-3 keys next to the arrows; the blocker seems like wasted space.
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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #266 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 16:48:12 »
Interested regardless, but I'd prefer something closer to the DZ65 or TADA68 layout, with 2-3 keys next to the arrows; the blocker seems like wasted space.

no thanks.

yikes...

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #267 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 17:04:45 »
Interested regardless, but I'd prefer something closer to the DZ65 or TADA68 layout, with 2-3 keys next to the arrows; the blocker seems like wasted space.

no thanks.

yikes...

I wouldn't be opposed to 2 1.5u keys, but the blocker looks nice on this board.

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« Reply #268 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 21:03:02 »
Interested regardless, but I'd prefer something closer to the DZ65 or TADA68 layout, with 2-3 keys next to the arrows; the blocker seems like wasted space.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #269 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 21:06:51 »
when gb?

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #270 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 03:22:24 »
Interested regardless, but I'd prefer something closer to the DZ65 or TADA68 layout, with 2-3 keys next to the arrows; the blocker seems like wasted space.
NOOOO XD 7u on 65% is literally one of the best layouts

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Offline Caspid

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #271 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 11:41:48 »
Would you guys mind sharing why this layout is preferable? I'm new to keyboards, but coming from a laptop keyboard, it's nice to be able to use Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn for scrolling through tabs, and a menu key saves moving your hand to the mouse to right-click. Open to discussing it; there aren't many curated layout comparisons with pros/cons that I could find.
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« Reply #272 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 11:51:36 »
Would you guys mind sharing why this layout is preferable? I'm new to keyboards, but coming from a laptop keyboard, it's nice to be able to use Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn for scrolling through tabs, and a menu key saves moving your hand to the mouse to right-click. Open to discussing it; there aren't many curated layout comparisons with pros/cons that I could find.

Ultimately it's all preference, which is why other layouts exist. I myself like the blocker because it makes it easier to track where your fingers are landing for the arrow keys.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #273 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 12:40:58 »
Would you guys mind sharing why this layout is preferable? I'm new to keyboards, but coming from a laptop keyboard, it's nice to be able to use Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn for scrolling through tabs, and a menu key saves moving your hand to the mouse to right-click. Open to discussing it; there aren't many curated layout comparisons with pros/cons that I could find.

Its preference, people get smaller layouts because they don't use the key or they are happy to use layers. You can get a TKL or 75% instead of 65%, its up to you, there is no 'best'

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #274 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 12:51:19 »
Would you guys mind sharing why this layout is preferable? I'm new to keyboards, but coming from a laptop keyboard, it's nice to be able to use Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn for scrolling through tabs, and a menu key saves moving your hand to the mouse to right-click. Open to discussing it; there aren't many curated layout comparisons with pros/cons that I could find.

You can always map Fn+PgUp/PgDn to work as Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn. And Menu can be Fn+M or whatever. The blocker is nice because it looks cleaner (it's less cramped than having three keys there), and it gives you tactile feedback as to where the arrow cluster is.
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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #275 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 13:24:22 »
Would you guys mind sharing why this layout is preferable? I'm new to keyboards, but coming from a laptop keyboard, it's nice to be able to use Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn for scrolling through tabs, and a menu key saves moving your hand to the mouse to right-click. Open to discussing it; there aren't many curated layout comparisons with pros/cons that I could find.

It's just preference - I've never used RCtrl or the Menu key in my life, so I don't need them. However, you can remap anything to just about anything else (including modifiers such as Ctrl), so it's not like you're only restricted to the physically present keys.

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« Reply #276 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 14:57:57 »
I appreciate a clean look, but the asymmetry is a little weird.  I feel like locating the arrows (and other keys) by muscle memory is much more significant than relying on empty space.  Good point on mapping it as a Fn key; will have to try that.  An extra keystroke is less desirable though; does the software/firmware allow you to map keypresses vs holds differently (i.e. press for menu, hold for Ctrl modifier)?  The menu key is great if you use any right-click functions frequently (e.g. on an image, Menu → Open With ("h") → Adobe Photoshop is a real timesaver).
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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #277 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 15:10:41 »
An extra keystroke is less desirable though; does the software/firmware allow you to map keypresses vs holds differently (i.e. press for menu, hold for Ctrl modifier)?

Yes, of course, any good firmware will allow you to do that (QMK firmware is what's mostly used).

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« Reply #278 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 16:51:12 »
very interested. looking forward to this!

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #279 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 17:23:15 »
when gb?
No

Interested regardless, but I'd prefer something closer to the DZ65 or TADA68 layout, with 2-3 keys next to the arrows; the blocker seems like wasted space.
Absolutely no

On a more serious note, I chose the 1.5/7U-based layout for four reasons:
- Historical significance of the WKL-based layouts
- Ability to support 3/1/3U split space and 7U on a single hotswap PCB once 3U becomes more common
- Noticeably better reach on the left ctrl position
- A survey taken before IC revealed roughly equal demand for 1.5 and 1.25 based 65% layouts, and plenty of 1.25 based 65% boards already exist

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« Reply #280 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 17:32:26 »
Thank you for explaining the reasoning!
The improved comfort on L Ctrl sounds great.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #281 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 17:43:01 »
The downside of 7u space is that RAlt/AltGr becomes noticeably more difficult to reach. This is an issue primarily for non-US users that rely heavily on AltGr to input special characters.

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« Reply #282 on: Wed, 08 July 2020, 06:50:56 »
when gb?
No

Interested regardless, but I'd prefer something closer to the DZ65 or TADA68 layout, with 2-3 keys next to the arrows; the blocker seems like wasted space.
Absolutely no

On a more serious note, I chose the 1.5/7U-based layout for four reasons:
- Historical significance of the WKL-based layouts
- Ability to support 3/1/3U split space and 7U on a single hotswap PCB once 3U becomes more common
- Noticeably better reach on the left ctrl position
- A survey taken before IC revealed roughly equal demand for 1.5 and 1.25 based 65% layouts, and plenty of 1.25 based 65% boards already exist

Wait, are you saying this hotswap pcb will support 3/1/3u spacebar? Or are you saying this could be a future possibility?

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« Reply #283 on: Wed, 08 July 2020, 14:00:53 »
The downside of 7u space is that RAlt/AltGr becomes noticeably more difficult to reach. This is an issue primarily for non-US users that rely heavily on AltGr to input special characters.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hotswap layout with the 7u spacebar has no RAlt/AltGr (only RControl which of course could be re-mapped but you get my point). We ISO users will have to rely on the soldering kit, which allow a 6.25u spacebar along with AltGr.

That's why it would be great if we could get to choose between the hotswap and soldering kits instead of hotswap being the default and having to purchase the soldering kit additionally.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #284 on: Wed, 08 July 2020, 15:55:15 »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hotswap layout with the 7u spacebar has no RAlt/AltGr (only RControl which of course could be re-mapped but you get my point). We ISO users will have to rely on the soldering kit, which allow a 6.25u spacebar along with AltGr.

That's why it would be great if we could get to choose between the hotswap and soldering kits instead of hotswap being the default and having to purchase the soldering kit additionally.

The key to the right of 7u space would be AltGr. Yes, it would be better to not be forced to purchase the hotswap PCB.

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« Reply #285 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 01:34:34 »
Looks really clean. I would like to see non-hotswap standard for flexibility on layouts.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #286 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 05:29:09 »
Wait, are you saying this hotswap pcb will support 3/1/3u spacebar? Or are you saying this could be a future possibility?
Very likely in the future.

Looks really clean. I would like to see non-hotswap standard for flexibility on layouts.
Roughly half of the PCB issues I had to deal with on Polaris were related to soldering errors, and the other half firmware flashing. Vega attempts to resolve these issues for the sake of my sanity when I get flooded by DMs and pings and emails.

The downside of 7u space is that RAlt/AltGr becomes noticeably more difficult to reach. This is an issue primarily for non-US users that rely heavily on AltGr to input special characters.



The key to the right of 7u space would be AltGr. Yes, it would be better to not be forced to purchase the hotswap PCB.

Maybe in the future, but definitely not now.
I just spent months optimizing Vega for the least logistics headache and best labor conditions for everyone involved in making the board whether factory worker or vendor, so I will not undo such efforts until I or the vendor is financially stable enough to hire more workers and offload sorting work to be less burden on each person.

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #287 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 06:12:14 »
Definitely in for this and the Andromeda. Just hoping it's an unlimited group buy limited by time only so I can have a decent chance to get one.
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« Reply #288 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 07:20:32 »
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best labor conditions

this is really cool to hear.

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« Reply #289 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 11:38:46 »
I'm interested.  Be checkin up on updates.  How far along are we on this?

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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #290 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 13:57:03 »
65 isn't my jam but i think ai03 is one of the most aware designers right now

really excited to see what else is coming down the road
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Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #291 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 14:38:53 »
Would the soldering kit come with a separate plate? Would love to be able to just have my usual layout and then a hotswap to plop in for testing switches.
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« Reply #292 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 14:43:54 »
Just hoping it's an unlimited group buy limited by time only so I can have a decent chance to get one.

SAME. Praying that it's an unlimited GB.
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« Reply #293 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 16:03:26 »


The key to the right of 7u space would be AltGr. Yes, it would be better to not be forced to purchase the hotswap PCB.

Maybe in the future, but definitely not now.
I just spent months optimizing Vega for the least logistics headache and best labor conditions for everyone involved in making the board whether factory worker or vendor, so I will not undo such efforts until I or the vendor is financially stable enough to hire more workers and offload sorting work to be less burden on each person.

Fair point, thank you for your honesty.

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« Reply #294 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 18:01:42 »

Roughly half of the PCB issues I had to deal with on Polaris were related to soldering errors, and the other half firmware flashing. Vega attempts to resolve these issues for the sake of my sanity when I get flooded by DMs and pings and emails.

That makes sense, especially considering how popular this board is going to be with 2020 demand and the approachability of 65%. Honestly I'm stoked for the hotswap pcb as I don't have any HS boards for testing/breaking in switches. If I'm able to order a Vega I'll be picking up a second solderable pcb+plate as well.

Re: [IC] Vega - Gasket seamless screwless 65% keyboard
« Reply #295 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 18:08:57 »
Wait, are you saying this hotswap pcb will support 3/1/3u spacebar? Or are you saying this could be a future possibility?

God, please make it happen! this board looks quite gorgeous.. now with 3u hotswap spacebar and how easy it is to reach that ctrl key, you have just sold it for both me and my son!

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« Reply #296 on: Thu, 09 July 2020, 18:44:28 »
Just hoping it's an unlimited group buy limited by time only so I can have a decent chance to get one.

SAME. Praying that it's an unlimited GB.

Well, yeah. At the very bottom of the initial post there's the supported layout for the default hotswap and then the supported layouts for the solder pcb/plate.

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« Reply #297 on: Sat, 11 July 2020, 12:47:37 »
Hope im able to cop a rose gold one :)
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« Reply #298 on: Sun, 12 July 2020, 03:27:02 »
Is it possible to get this wkl on both sides?

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« Reply #299 on: Sun, 12 July 2020, 04:03:06 »
Ooof. This looks awesome - I'm in.
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