[IC] DCS Delftware - GB April 2021 - 02/03 update: Kit revisions, UK vendor

[nu_types]

Very interesting, dyesub + abs. DCS none the less. Looking forward to seeing any updates!

[Slayer77]

Where's the new IC form? Can't seem to find it. Also can you consider adding zfrontier?

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[Zephyraeon]

Where's the new IC form? Can't seem to find it. Also can you consider adding zfrontier?

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IC form is linked at the top and bottom of the main post but you can also click here.

Is there a reason you want zFrontier when ILUMKB will already be proxying for the region?

[synthtastic]

Really looking forward to this one!

[L-Ron]

Those samples look incredible, definitely onboard for this one.

[wouldworks]

The samples look amazing, the colour is super pretty. I like the contrast of the thinner DCS legends against the subs very much

[goddream]

this keeps on getting better and better, super keen for this zeph

[amptoc]

unique sublegends is such a fresh idea and progress looks super promising, in 100%

[kidpid]

To me the legends themselves look too thin, and make the set look a little cheap, especially when juxtaposed with the thick sublegends. Besides that, though, the samples look solid!

[catamscott]

this going to dcs made this an insta buy for me. samples look really good, too!

[Zephyraeon]

To me the legends themselves look too thin, and make the set look a little cheap, especially when juxtaposed with the thick sublegends. Besides that, though, the samples look solid!

The differing thickness of the legends and sublegends also bothers me a little, I'm going to mock up some thinner lines for the sublegends on a few of the caps (e.g. V, 5) so that the line thickness is more consistent, and see whether that looks better than how it currently is.

[treeleaf64]

Treeleaf is interested in DCS
He likes blue
and he also likes the sublegends

they are a novelty
As if the sky and ocean combined to make a keycap set

[treeleaf64]

I think I need some counseling to break this bad habit of talking in third person

[Puddsy]

updates look great, super excited for this

[Puddsy]

I think I need some counseling to break this bad habit of talking in third person

i was gonna say

[scrubbiecris]

this is looking really good! excited to see how the project progresses!

[matthewdias]

Really excited for this one, it looks great. Hope to see minivan support added

[hallowqueen]

This set is so incredibly beautiful!

[Zephyraeon]

Hi everyone,

Hope you're all as excited as I am by the most recent update. I've been so grateful for all the amazing feedback and suggestions that I've got in the IC forms. There were a few good suggestions I wanted to mention as to why they weren't included so that you guys know that they have been heard.
Compatibility:
I had a few requests for each of the following:
- F13 keys (not added to keep prices down + that's what the novelties/artisans are for!)
- R2 1u tab and R3 1u esc for planck, r2 1.75u backspace, r3 1.5u enter (not enough interest in 40s to add more than the bare minimum compatibility already in base kit)
- 3u spacebars (I wanted these but not enough support - should be easy enough to buy blank keys from SP through pimpmykeyboard)
- 6u spacebar (there's a centred 6u spacebar included in basekit)
- 2u shift (sorry but no)
- stepped control (as above)
- Dutch mods/ISO/etc. (I tried to research into this but it looked like the mods were mostly still in English ANSI in the Netherlands so I've kept it all boring)

Collabs:
- Latrialum (love her work, but she mainly does cherry profile blanks, the slight difference between cherry and DCS profiles would annoy me)
- Ceramic keycaps (pretty sure this just isn't feasible - too much margin for error)

If there's still something you don't quite like about the set as it stands now, please let me know either through the IC form, on this IC thread, or on Discord. The kits and stuff are mostly finalised but there may be the chance to make a couple last minute tweaks.

Thanks all,
Zeph

EDIT: fixing Danish -> Dutch (sorry about that)

[Michabc]

Cool set - really looking forward to it - just take care though while doing a Delftware inspired set it’s Dutch not Danish (it’s like calling Aussies Austrians) we use a EN international layout - mostly with ISO - GLWGB!

[Zephyraeon]

Cool set - really looking forward to it - just take care though while doing a Delftware inspired set it’s Dutch not Danish (it’s like calling Aussies Austrians) we use a international US layout - mostly with ISO - GLWGB!

My bad on that mistake - if you have any suggestions on modifying the legends to make it more authentic I would love to hear them, not sure if the current design is similar to what you would use and I'd really love to try and make the set as Dutch as possible given the theme.

[vanyll]

I always wondered how people can buy several base kits of a set that is not BoW / WoB or any other basic colour. Well, here we go... I love everything about it! Well done.

[Ciantha]

- R2 1u tab and R3 1u esc for planck, r2 1.75u backspace, r3 1.5u enter (not enough interest in 40s to add more than the bare minimum compatibility already in base kit)

I just wanted to mention that the 40s layout requiring  r2 1.75u backspace, r3 1.5u enter and r3 1.25 tab (based on the minivan layout) is one of the most popular, probably even the single most popular, layouts for staggered 40s with many existing keyboards and new projects in the works.

When the 40s discords gives recommendations for minimum 40s support these are the three keys that are recommended.

I would want to suggest replacing the 1.75 enter (there's both capslock and control for the right size and profile already) with a 1.5 enter. At that point you'd only need to add one key (1.75 bs) to support a big portion of 40s.

You of course have the right to kit things as you see fit but I wanted to add this in case the reasoning behind asking for these specific keys hadn't been expressed in the IC.

[Zephyraeon]

- R2 1u tab and R3 1u esc for planck, r2 1.75u backspace, r3 1.5u enter (not enough interest in 40s to add more than the bare minimum compatibility already in base kit)

I just wanted to mention that the 40s layout requiring  r2 1.75u backspace, r3 1.5u enter and r3 1.25 tab (based on the minivan layout) is one of the most popular, probably even the single most popular, layouts for staggered 40s with many existing keyboards and new projects in the works.

When the 40s discords gives recommendations for minimum 40s support these are the three keys that are recommended.

I would want to suggest replacing the 1.75 enter (there's both capslock and control for the right size and profile already) with a 1.5 enter. At that point you'd only need to add one key (1.75 bs) to support a big portion of 40s.

You of course have the right to kit things as you see fit but I wanted to add this in case the reasoning behind asking for these specific keys hadn't been expressed in the IC.

I understand your points around adding a couple more keys for better 40s compatibility but I just haven't seen the interest from the 40s crowd to justify adding more than I have here (there were 3 people max asking for 1.75u backspace/1.5u enter). I wanted Delftware to have some 40s support so tried to include the keys that were necessary for the 40s keyboards I've been most invested in, without trying to bloat the base kit too much (probably failed here). I did look at splitting 40s from base and adding more keys for greater 40s compatibility and it didn't really look like a viable decision from a pricing standpoint. 

[alphabirth]

Lets goooo!  So hyped this is finally getting rolling, and in DCS too where maybe the queue isn't so crazy? 
@Zeph, I think you added the wrong image on the first post though--you've got some random-ass green caps on there now!   

[Surefoot]

Lets goooo!  So hyped this is finally getting rolling, and in DCS too where maybe the queue isn't so crazy? 

Since it's Signature Plastics, it will go into their queue, FWIW it's been consistent during the last years but it's not really short

[tex_live_utility]

I love that this project is still underway. Finally a PBT DCS keyset for MX switches! Great design, too.

[treeleaf64]

I will buy it when I get money

[kure_]

Cool idea. Nice and fresh.

[SleepyJacky]

Really cool look with these. Interested! 

[Zephyraeon]

@Zeph, I think you added the wrong image on the first post though--you've got some random-ass green caps on there now!   

The green and grey caps previously there were to show the DCS icon mods as I didn't have the assets required to get accurate renders done. Based on feedback I've decided to redo the icon mods myself (again), new renders reflect the actual icon mods that will be on the final product.

Lets goooo!  So hyped this is finally getting rolling, and in DCS too where maybe the queue isn't so crazy? 

Since it's Signature Plastics, it will go into their queue, FWIW it's been consistent during the last years but it's not really short

I've actually talked with SP about this and they have communicated to me that the DCS production time is fairly short. I know SP SA can take a long time, but based on recent communications I'm fully expecting Delftware to be fulfilled in 2021.

[Zephyraeon]

2-March update:

• ProtoTypist added as UK vendor
• Third deskmat design added
• Small kitting changes in base kit - added Minivan support at the expense of some ortho keys
• New icon mods
• Second round of samples ordered to test line thickness of current typeface - probably moving away from Gorton/standard DCS typeface