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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #50 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 08:12:37 »
What's the bet that MW will start singing the praises of TFTs when OLED computer monitors hit the market?
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« Reply #51 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 10:05:24 »
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Yeah, too bad the CRT colors fade so badly over the years, and years, and years......

Actually, it's LCDs that have the fading colors. CRTs (and plasmas) just get darker.

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Except this is an IPS panel. ;)

Oh, there is one advantage to CRTs. The Apple IIGS is designed around the quirks of a specific CRT, and its large dot pitch. Combined with the IIGS's dirty signal, LCDs don't play nicely, and even when they do play nicely, they don't look right (on the CRT, the colors are dithered in 640x200 mode. On an LCD, stripes are obvious.)

Oh yeah, you see that a lot with the really old computers, especially with CGA graphics. When displayed over NTSC, the colors would change depending on the color signal and pattern. Allowing them to use many more colors than the graphics card could natively handle.


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« Reply #52 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 12:25:47 »
I had a CRT that was old enough to start dimming. Eventually you have to crank the brightness and contrast to max, which severely compresses your color gamut. Eventually everything starts trending toward gray :(

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« Reply #53 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 13:04:56 »
That's strange. I've used lots of CRT's and LCD's. My heavily-used 17-year-old CRT gets comparable color to one of the brand new LCD's at work. My trinitron gets great contrast and color and it's 14 years old. And my IBM monitor works beautifully.

I've used a wide variety of LCD's and CRT's. LCD's are convenient, but CRT's display a superior quality image.
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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 13:37:39 »
You lose your extreme lows in particular as the unit dims. It's difficult to perceive just by eyeballing a display because in that situation it looks like you have awesome contrast, but after a while instead of having a smooth, gradual progression from white, to 100% saturation, to black, you get a precipitous drop toward black. Open up a program or pic that displays a full color spectrum on an old CRT with many miles on it, then open the same thing on a more recent unit. You'll see the difference.

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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 15:04:32 »
And CRTs can also lose focus as they age. LCDs can never do that.

(Also, the 8-bit Apple II used those NTSC composite tricks to generate color video, rather than doing it properly.)

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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 15:27:34 »
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And CRTs can also lose focus as they age.


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« Reply #57 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 15:38:04 »
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And CRTs can also lose focus as they age. LCDs can never do that.

(Also, the 8-bit Apple II used those NTSC composite tricks to generate color video, rather than doing it properly.)


Focus is easily adjustable when it goes out of whack.
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« Reply #58 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 16:21:31 »
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much like grumpy old geekhackers.


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Focus is easily adjustable when it goes out of whack.


Are you saying that we should whack MW?

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« Reply #59 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 16:25:09 »
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Are you saying that we should whack MW?


works on my 23 year old crt. worth a shot.

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« Reply #60 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 16:50:42 »
Sure, it's adjustable, but sometimes the electron guns have decayed, and adjustment isn't enough.

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« Reply #61 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 18:08:22 »
This thread is pointless.

What is everyone's favorite cake? Mine is one like this -



It's from M&S. I always get one for my birthday. Personalized name-chocolate not included.

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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 18:21:09 »
dude, everyone knows the best cake in existence is black forest cake.



dont even try to deny it. Its a known fact.

i always get one on my birthday. From Deisings (everyone knows only deisings makes the best black forest cake in existence, dont even try to deny it).

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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 18:46:37 »
**** that:

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« Reply #64 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 19:10:51 »
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Cheesecake > all.


Agreed. Also, you couldn't find a larger picture?

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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 19:19:22 »
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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 19:52:59 »
yes Ill agree on the cheesecake front.

My wife makes a pumpkin cheescake that is insane. layered with reg. chee cake on the bottom and spicy pumpkin cc on top.

delish.
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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 20:39:11 »
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Sure, it's adjustable, but sometimes the electron guns have decayed, and adjustment isn't enough.

When it's not just adjustable, it's almost always caused by something on the circuitboard that's decaying - still meaning an easy fix. The focus is controlled by a voltage that stems directly from the flyback, and is stepped down using a couple of resistors and capacitors. 99% of the time, one of these has degraded to the point where the resistance or capacitance changes significantly as it heats up.

Between the guns, flyback, and step-down circuitry, the resistors and caps have the shortest lifespan, by far. Followed by the flyback. So if there's a problem with the focus that can't be fixed simply by adjusting the pot, it's almost guaranteed to be a simple circuit problem. And all you need is a voltmeter to find it.

If you've already replaced these parts once and focus goes out again, THEN I'd say it's the gun. Otherwise it's almost always the voltage.
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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 20:57:00 »
In the case of the AppleColor RGB, it's the guns. They're known for it.

You can swap a tube out of another AppleColor RGB, or out of a Mac LCD monitor, and it'll work fine again. Same components otherwise.

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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 21:09:40 »
There are two nice features CRT's have that LCD's will never do:

- Top horizontal surface to stash papers and stuff when the desktop is too crowdy.
- When it's turned off it makes that special squeeshy electrical sound liquid crystal will never do.

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« Reply #70 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 22:04:22 »
i cant believe you're even comparing cheese cake to black forest cake. Thats like pitting a pomeranian against a wolf! no chance dude.
black forest cake is a mystery wrapped in an enigma topped off with whipped cream. Its layers upon layers of nuanced tastes that will stimulate dark layers of your subconcious that you didnt even know existed. it transports you into the dark german black forest (where they also make cuckoo clocks, if i'm not mistaken) and abandons you there, leaving you to read hansel and gretel stories on your blackberry until you find your way back out on your own.  Now thats a cake!

Cheesecake. Pffffff. Cheesecake merely deposits you in a diner on 5th avenue. Anyone can find their way home from there. Just take the subway.

and the cherries, oh the cherries.  Dude, you cannot deny the ruler of the black forest, and it is cake. Or something. Bow down to the king of the forest!
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« Reply #71 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 22:07:50 »
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You realize there are black forest cheesecakes?


Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?



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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 22:40:53 »
actually, the ruler of the Black Forest is Ham.




See? look how happy he is.
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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 22:48:11 »
i thought he was the last king of Scotland?

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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 22:50:20 »
"let them eat ham"
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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 04 August 2010, 22:58:15 »
thanks to this thread i'm about to run out to the deli to get a slice of carrot cake.  there goes my diet.  damn you gh!

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 02:52:51 »
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BACK ON TOPIC!

True, you can probably make a better fish tank from a CRT than an LCD, but I bet I could make a better ant farm with an LCD! =D

I am still debating if I should actually contribute to this thread though. I would like to think I have some good practical info on the topic of monitors from a professional standpoint, but I also like cake... tough call here...
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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 04:42:47 »
You know, I prefer cheesecake.

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« Reply #78 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 05:37:15 »
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True, you can probably make a better fish tank from a CRT than an LCD, but I bet I could make a better ant farm with an LCD! =D

I am still debating if I should actually contribute to this thread though. I would like to think I have some good practical info on the topic of monitors from a professional standpoint, but I also like cake... tough call here...


CRT? LCD? What do these mean? This is a thread about delicious cake!

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« Reply #79 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 06:37:10 »
CRT = Cake Removed, Thanks

LCD = Largely Cake Diet

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« Reply #80 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 07:19:38 »
I think it's obvious that LCDs don't eat cake, or they wouldn't be so skinny.

Therefore LCDs suck :p
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« Reply #81 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 08:40:48 »
Then why aren't there many LCD's in poor places like Africa?
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« Reply #82 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 11:10:07 »


I love a nice red velvet cake.

Partially due to my infatuation with the colour red though.

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« Reply #83 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 11:10:50 »
Or a simple banana cake would do wonders too.



Go banana!

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« Reply #84 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 11:18:57 »
The sound of a CRT degaussing itself is... awesome :)

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« Reply #85 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 12:42:12 »
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I love a nice red velvet cake.

Partially due to my infatuation with the colour red though.


I too have an infatuation with the color red.

Rippy, signing your pics is a fine idea, but why not try a watermark rather than the neon sign?

Off to a damn 2 hour meeting.  

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« Reply #86 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 12:43:03 »
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The sound of a CRT degaussing itself is... awesome :)


How would you describe it?
I'd say it goes:
"Ptttsheeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwww"

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« Reply #87 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 12:53:24 »
Consider the Carrot.



No one would ever make a cake out of Tomatoes.

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« Reply #88 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 12:58:45 »
My cheesecake makes no sound when I degauss it. Problem officer?

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« Reply #89 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 13:11:06 »
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I'm always open to suggestions...
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better, I think. See what it looks like with an outline font too. (The way they do the pics over at roadandtrack.com)

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« Reply #90 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 13:29:37 »
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I'm not THAT open to suggestions.

FU.

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lol. hey, you went back to the Neon Sign! wtf.

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« Reply #91 on: Thu, 05 August 2010, 13:36:20 »
I just got an eye-fi card (my first one). Its brilliant. Direct from my camera to photobucket, wirelessly.

photobucket allows rudimentary edits/notes/arrows right in the browser, once its up there.
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« Reply #92 on: Fri, 06 August 2010, 00:18:16 »
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Cheesecake > all.

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I'm with Kishy on this.  This reminds me, I need to order one of these.  That's right, when I'm feeling the need to pretend to be a rich bastard I fly cheesecake from New York to San Francisco.  It is more fun to fly me to New York, though.  

I'm gonna be making some mini cheesecakes with nilla crust and white and dark chocolate swirls soon.

Hmmm, I need to see if they've imported any of those Dragon Quest Blue slimes to one of the china and/or japan towns, or if I can buy one online.  Around here, even the Louisiana Fried Chicken is made by Asians, I can't believe we don't have green tea donuts.  Probably because they're too expensive.  Green Tea Donut . . doesn't compare to green tea ice cream, red bean paste, strawberries, whip cream on a light fluffy crepe, no sir.

Red Velvet cake it too damn confusing.  Red Velvet cake is surprise cake, you never know what the hell flavor you're gonna get.  If it tastes like some kind of better than carrot cake with my cream cheese frosting, that's the best red velvet I've had.

This really makes me wish I'd had a proper dinner and ate one of those free cupcakes earlier today.
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« Reply #93 on: Fri, 06 August 2010, 01:11:56 »
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in ny people leave perfectly working CRT's on the sidewalk cuz no one wants them. Same with CRT tv's.  My friend was trying to sell his 35" CRT tv on craigslist and finally dropped the price to FREE and still no one came.

I picked up the Toshiba Picture Frame TV (£2500+ new) for free this way. The previous owner had it from new, had just launched an insane amount on a new Bravia LCD, and one of those paper thin OLED smaller monitors. He just wanted it gone. Enter InSanCen, stage left, snagging the TV. Weighs a scary amount (I t literally made 2 of us struggle), and has a crap-ton of accessories (Surround Sound? Check!) that come with it.

I'm working on SWMBO approval for another LACIE 22" Electron blue as well.

Apart from the very top end though of CRT (that doesn't include your POS G70 EIBM), LCD wins every time

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« Reply #94 on: Fri, 06 August 2010, 10:50:21 »
I figured I'd revisit this thread to hear all your comments on Sony's PVM (Professional Video Monitor) line, as well as the NEC MultiSync XM29.

Why those monitors specifically? I want something that accepts RGB. Sounds like VGA, right? No, because VGA monitors generally cannot handle 15 KHz horizontal sync/refresh, and 15 KHz is what all my retro consoles use, generally through the RGB portion of SCART or the physically-identical-but-electrically-different RGB21. (Neither of which seem to exist here in the States, much to my dismay. We get to put up with S-Video, composite, or heavens forbid, RF, all because of crappy TV transmission standards that were already decades old at the time and were basically attempts to shoehorn color into an existing grayscale TV image.)

Knowing me, though, I'm probably going to take a shot at getting a Holo3DGraph II card and get my Glorious RGB through that. It may require a whole PC to use (one with a free PCI slot and Windows XP), but it'll make for one hell of an upscaler (at significantly less cost than a Micomsoft XRGB-3) AND let me record video!

(Oh, and shame on you all for not mentioning the best cake of all: ICE CREAM CAKE! Preferably Carvel or DQ, both of which I know make it the proper way.)

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« Reply #95 on: Sat, 07 August 2010, 02:17:45 »
Cheesecake tastes so good 'cause of the creamcheese. I love cheese too! CHEESE!

Whoever invented cheese is amazing. Especially cheesecake.
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« Reply #96 on: Sat, 07 August 2010, 06:57:48 »
I have both LCD and CRT, but I spend most of my time in front of my Sony 22" 500/520's, as I understand the same tube tech as the silly 16x9 FW900's.
I also have some NEC 22" CRT's I cant remember the numbers or be bothered to walk to the room with them in, but they have the same tube as these flat screen Sonys, as for the contrast going these are bright at 30% and you cant read from them above 80 because they heart your eyes.

LCD's are ok but you have to spend big money to get the better than ok ones and even then they will be dead or having problems in 5 plus years, two of my Sonys are 9 years old, well they all are but 2 are NOS and I opened the boxes last year.

I have my CRT's for the main screen and the LCDs off to the sides for static stuff and to save me looking something up in books.

When OLED is sorted for size or I can have at the very least 1800x1440  at 100Hz plus in (2048x1536 at 92Hz I often use) LCD/OLED in 22/24 inch screen sizes then I will switch.

Used to have a plasma TV and it used over 6x the power of these big CRTs and was burnt in with the piggin screen bugs the TV companies use within a year,
but that was a few years back, I would hope that was fixed now, but I've gone back to a CRT to watch TV thru as well.
Screen burn is not a problem with CRTs from the last 10 years.

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CRT's are better than LCD's.
« Reply #97 on: Sat, 07 August 2010, 08:37:03 »
Quote from: Lenny_Nero;210099
Used to have a plasma TV and it used over 6x the power of these big CRTs and was burnt in with the piggin screen bugs the TV companies use within a year,
but that was a few years back, I would hope that was fixed now, but I've gone back to a CRT to watch TV thru as well.
Screen burn is not a problem with CRTs from the last 10 years.

New plasma TVs have that burn in problem practically fixed. I mean, my girlfriend once left the cable guide on it for a couple of hours by accident (like 5-6), and yeah it had some image retention afterwards but it still went away in just 5-10 mins of putting a regular channel on.
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CRT's are better than LCD's.
« Reply #98 on: Sat, 07 August 2010, 15:59:47 »
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New plasma TVs have that burn in problem practically fixed. I mean, my girlfriend once left the cable guide on it for a couple of hours by accident (like 5-6), and yeah it had some image retention afterwards but it still went away in just 5-10 mins of putting a regular channel on.


Do they make plasma computer monitors? I'd love a nice matte one if it didn't have burn-in problems.
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CRT's are better than LCD's.
« Reply #99 on: Sat, 07 August 2010, 16:01:31 »
Yeah, they made them in red and orange.

IBM even sold some, including a dumb terminal and a couple of luggable PS/2s.