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 Hello, I'm DELLA KEY from South Korea.

Allow me to introduce myself.

 My life begins as a mechanical research engineer for automobile lamps.

 I have serveral experiences as the lamp designer & engineer in various automoblie projects. (Genesis, Chevrolet, Hyundai, Kia, BMW, etc.)

but the eager to make something creative & unique leaded me to leave my job. so I have dived to artisan's world. 

 While working as an artisan maker, I have felt a huge thirst for mechanical design. Because my roots are mechanical design researchers.

This is a project to achieve my own dream.

This was originally intended for self made board. so I never mind to hold GB.

I just wanna create a great piece of art that chases perfect design in mechanical keyboard.

 Yea, We are artisan maker, but are also one of keyboard enthusiast. we have an eager to make our own keyboard with our design language.


First of all we have found what is the best feeling to us.

(Prototype picture)





0. CONTENTS

  • Spec Details
  • Assembly Layout
  • Render
  • Photos
  • Information
  • Development Story
  • Development Log



1. Spec Details
  • Layout : F13 TKL (WKL Only)
  • Material
      - Top Piece & Mid Piece : 6063 Aluminum(Cream white E-coat)
      - Bottom Piece : Full copper (anti-corrosion coating and Ceramic Clear Coated)
  • Plate Material : Aluminum
  • Case Angle : 9į
  • Front Height : 17.5mm
  • Case Size :
  • Estimated Weight : 5.2Kg built
  • PCB : Solder Only (H88nu North Facing)
     (H88nu Layout)







2. Assembly Layout








3. Render

   
More






















4. Photos

Prototype v1(30/06/2023)

Please consider that this is a rough prototype.
The second prototype will be built with additional mechanical design improvements.
I will upload additional build photos when the substrate arrives.
























[01/07/2023]










[14/07/2023]












Prototype v2(25/11/2023)












5. Information
  • Price : Not determined (about 1000~1500 USD)
  • Selling Method : Not determined (about 30~50 units.)
  • Vender : Not determined
  • Schedule : Not determined



6. Development Story

0. We focus more on elegance and luxury than efficiency
The curve is a backbone of our design

We already plan to make our artisan tray, Sanctuary, it has elegant Curve at the side.

The pressure of large and heavy curve makes me feel comfortable. I like the visual impression and the solid feeling comes from the curve.

A Grand piano, whaleís belly, the horizon, Osanbashi Hall in Yokohama, Japan, and opera house in Sydney, such things inspire to our work.

I tried to incorporate the grand, elegant curves into our design while maintaining the classic exterior of the keyboard.


1. must be Top Mounted
 - we prefer Clacky, and clean sound like 456gt, Orion by duck, Jane V2 ME

2. There should be only Aluminum without any material underneath the PCB
- if thereís only aluminum under the PCB, the board makes more clacky sound  like the Keycult, and Jane V2 ME.

3. Front height & Typing angle should be under 18mm / 10į
 - they are the most comfortable spec for typing with long time.

4. Heavier than 4.5kg for weight
- the heavy weight makes stable, profound, and low echo
- also it emphasizes the board's own sound. the heavy board is less affected by other environments such as deskmat, desk's thickness, etc...

5. The bolt hole should be unvisible at all side of the board
 - The bolt hole is not an attractive factor to the perfection of our board.
 

(To implement screwless design, Geon's feet format fits to ours. but we rearranged it little to prevent the Vibration between board & desk.

 The feetís contacting points with the desk get minimized for less echo.

 In order to follow our unique design language and minimize contacting point, the feet is also curved shape. The edges of both side are slightly higher than center. so only 4 edges of the long feet contact with the desk.)


6. The JST cable should position beneath the mid piece to hide.
 - I am not in favor of other substances or parts (daughter board wires/parts made of other materials) under the pcb. they they usually bother to make clear sound via irregular reflection of sound.



7. Development Log

Keyboard
- waiting for Prototype v1
- 30/06/2023 - Prototype v1 picture update
- waiting for Prototype v2
- waiting for Prototype v3
- 11/25/2023 - Prototype v2 picture update

- waiting for Prototype v3
About Prototype v3
  - Final color (electrophoresis beige)
  - This is the final detail improvement and color confirmation prototype. If there are no problems, this will probably be the final prototype.

 - - -

Parts other than keyboard
- A keyboard Plate prototype v1 is in production.
- A keyboard Plate prototype v2 is in production.
- A keyboard Plate prototype v3 is in production.
- A keyboard Plate prototype v4 is in production.
- A keyboard Plate prototype v5 is in production.
- A Keyboard Plate prototype v6 production in progress.

- A keyboard case prototype v1 is in production.
- A keyboard case prototype v2 is in production.
- A keyboard case prototype v3 is in production.
- A keyboard case prototype v4 is in production.
- A Keyboard Case production in progress
- Keyboard case production completed.

- A Keyboard E-Plate production in progress.

- A Keyboard Bolt prototype v1 is in production.
- A Keyboard Bolt prototype v2 is in production.

- A Keyboard Bolt wrench prototype v1 is in production.

- A Keyboard Bolt Case production in progress

- A Keyboard warranty card prototype v1 is in production.

- A Keyboard warranty card Case prototype v1 is in production.

- Website production in progress.




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« Last Edit: Sat, 25 November 2023, 03:22:53 by DELLA KEY »

Offline DirtyGingy

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 04 June 2023, 08:21:10 »
Holy hell that price. I can see it being higher, but maybe I'm missing something.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 04 June 2023, 09:15:37 »
I'm gonna need a stronger desk.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 04 June 2023, 10:13:31 »
I think this keyboard is special.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 04 June 2023, 10:24:20 »
thicc. GLWIC

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 04 June 2023, 19:45:07 »
That side profile is immaculate. I'd love to buy one of these. Thanks for ISO support!

Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 05 June 2023, 20:10:18 »
I'm a lurker, but I had to come out and say this is beautiful.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 06 June 2023, 02:35:02 »
Reverse keycult no3 giggle

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 06 June 2023, 04:50:33 »
$1000-1500? Are you nuts?
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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 06 June 2023, 05:20:13 »
Definitely following this closely. Very, very interesting board. Great job with the design, I hope it turns out just as gorgeous.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 09 June 2023, 14:49:19 »
really cool design!

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:17:31 »
Holy hell that price. I can see it being higher, but maybe I'm missing something.

thank you for your attention.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:18:22 »
I'm gonna need a stronger desk.

thank you for your attention Mecxs. have a nice day.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:19:22 »
I think this keyboard is special.

thanks nostr. This is the best keyboard I've ever thought of.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:20:34 »
thicc. GLWIC

thank you I wish you success in your art work.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:21:03 »
That side profile is immaculate. I'd love to buy one of these. Thanks for ISO support!

Thanks aicyborg. Have a good day.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:21:53 »
I'm a lurker, but I had to come out and say this is beautiful.

thank you bless your day

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:22:38 »

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:22:56 »

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 02:23:52 »
Definitely following this closely. Very, very interesting board. Great job with the design, I hope it turns out just as gorgeous.

thank you. I've tested many other parts, but in the case of the keystroke sound, I plan to test it additionally through a reinforcement plate prototype.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 10 June 2023, 23:56:34 »
Interesting project (even though it's not for me, but not everything should be catered toward me XD)

1000 USD does seem steep, but considering the more complex design, the large amounts of copper and the low moq (Like 30moq) it seems like it's fine, but I'm not too well versed about machining and quoting so keep in mind of that.

GLWIC

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 13 June 2023, 07:40:48 »
Interesting project (even though it's not for me, but not everything should be catered toward me XD)

1000 USD does seem steep, but considering the more complex design, the large amounts of copper and the low moq (Like 30moq) it seems like it's fine, but I'm not too well versed about machining and quoting so keep in mind of that.

GLWIC

 Thank you Rhienfo.
I am focusing on the design elements that stimulate the mind and the direction I pursue.

 We are aware that the della 960 has an high price point unlike regular keyboards.
This is because I did what I wanted without compromising a single thing in terms of price.

This will be the most satisfying keyboard for me.

 thank you and Have a good day.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 13 June 2023, 09:40:28 »
$1500

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 14 June 2023, 09:55:36 »
yeah, no

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 15 June 2023, 19:34:10 »
$1500
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thank you for your attention sketch3v. have a nice day.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 15 June 2023, 19:35:13 »
yeah, no

Thank you for your continued interest tactilesbad.
Have a nice day :)

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (30/06/2023 - FIRST PROTOTYPE PICTURE UPDATE)
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 30 June 2023, 02:31:02 »
(30/06/2023 - FIRST PROTOTYPE PICTURE UPDATE)

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (30/06/2023 - FIRST PROTOTYPE PICTURE UPDATE)
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 30 June 2023, 21:27:10 »
Honestly, if you end up somewhere near $1000 I'm in. If you end up around $1500 I'm probably out 'cos I can't afford that. Either way, that side is fantastic. I love your aesthetic. Really good stuff.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (30/06/2023 - FIRST PROTOTYPE PICTURE UPDATE)
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 03 July 2023, 04:52:56 »
Honestly, if you end up somewhere near $1000 I'm in. If you end up around $1500 I'm probably out 'cos I can't afford that. Either way, that side is fantastic. I love your aesthetic. Really good stuff.

Yes, thank you for your interest in our work.
We are working hard in many ways to not give up on the direction we are pursuing.
Everything is fantastic and we are preparing step by step.
Blessings in your future as well.
Thank you aicyborg.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - PROTOTYPE PICTURE UPDATE)
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 13 July 2023, 23:00:48 »
- 01/07/2023 Prototype Picture Update
- 14/07/2023 Prototype Picture Update
- Reflect build weight
« Last Edit: Thu, 13 July 2023, 23:03:04 by DELLA KEY »

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 17 July 2023, 11:38:01 »
I do very much like the design, and I hope you can make MOQ : )
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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 17 July 2023, 18:12:55 »
Stunning.

I like that you have clear goals about sound/materials. Whoever buys this is experiencing your vision.
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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 18 July 2023, 15:34:47 »
Board looks pretty nice but $1000-$1500 is pretty steep. I guess those are the respective price estimates for the MOQ of 30 and 50.
I dont even want to know what you paid for the protos ouch  :confused:

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 04:48:09 »
I do very much like the design, and I hope you can make MOQ : )


Thank you so much for your interest :)

Stunning.

I like that you have clear goals about sound/materials. Whoever buys this is experiencing your vision.


thank you. We are working more towards a clear direction rather than market sales. I hope the design and the sound I'm pursuing are conveyed well.

Board looks pretty nice but $1000-$1500 is pretty steep. I guess those are the respective price estimates for the MOQ of 30 and 50.
I dont even want to know what you paid for the protos ouch  :confused:

Thank you for your interest.
 Yes, we are thinking about selling after securing instock to control uncertain variables in the first sale.
(The actual defect rate for each fabrication has not been established, so if it is proceeded with GB, the keybaord quantity may be insufficient or excessive.)
 We are not a big company, so we can't prepare a lot of quantities with instock.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 13:37:50 »
Completely crazy. I'm in.
(edit) since we're talking more than $1000 per unit we're in bespoke luxury item territory - could we have plate files, or a dedicated ISO and ANSI plates at least :) I appreciate the standard PCB support (great future proofing), but your pursuit of perfect sound should also include the switch plate...
« Last Edit: Mon, 24 July 2023, 13:40:28 by Surefoot »

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 14:13:10 »
I quite like this.  Not sure if it 'll be in the budget though

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 25 July 2023, 04:00:11 »
Thanks for sharing this project, it is one of the most interesting design-wise TKLs that have seen for a long time. Since the first day, I've been lurking and wondering how it would end up, the first prototypes. They are stunning!
It is very likely that I won't be able to buy one of the units due to its price, but I would love to try/see one someday.

I have some quick questions/suggestions from my side that you may find useful:
- Not sure which type of daughterboard you are planning to use, but would you consider using a Unified USB daughterboard? It is an open-source project and I believe it is aligned with the concept of using well-known electronics, as you are doing with the h88nu.
- Design-wise, I also would say that I would prefer to have the USB port located in a lower position. It will be safer and will be, at least to my eyes, more aesthetically pleasing.
- I've seen your answer about the aluminium middle piece, but would you consider the usage of other materials as optional?

Please continue to pursue your dream board and have some fun while doing it.
GLWIC!

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 27 July 2023, 16:55:40 »
Iím in

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 28 July 2023, 00:21:29 »
I think $1000~1500 is for one-off keyboard. I suppose any keyboard groupbuy above $1000 just didn't get a reasonable quote from the manu.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 06 August 2023, 06:37:15 »
Completely crazy. I'm in.
(edit) since we're talking more than $1000 per unit we're in bespoke luxury item territory - could we have plate files, or a dedicated ISO and ANSI plates at least :) I appreciate the standard PCB support (great future proofing), but your pursuit of perfect sound should also include the switch plate...

hello. Thank you for your attention.
We will review this positively.

I quite like this.  Not sure if it 'll be in the budget though

Hello. When looking at a new endeavor, Don't necessarily have to buy it.
I feel very rewarding just for interest.
Thank you for your attention.

Thanks for sharing this project, it is one of the most interesting design-wise TKLs that have seen for a long time. Since the first day, I've been lurking and wondering how it would end up, the first prototypes. They are stunning!
It is very likely that I won't be able to buy one of the units due to its price, but I would love to try/see one someday.

I have some quick questions/suggestions from my side that you may find useful:
- Not sure which type of daughterboard you are planning to use, but would you consider using a Unified USB daughterboard? It is an open-source project and I believe it is aligned with the concept of using well-known electronics, as you are doing with the h88nu.
- Design-wise, I also would say that I would prefer to have the USB port located in a lower position. It will be safer and will be, at least to my eyes, more aesthetically pleasing.
- I've seen your answer about the aluminium middle piece, but would you consider the usage of other materials as optional?

Please continue to pursue your dream board and have some fun while doing it.
GLWIC!

Hello, thank you for the good discussion suggestion. These conversations are very helpful for progress.

1. Let's discuss positively.
2. We tried it, but we thought it was not perfect in terms of design.
3. We are not thinking about changing the material of the middle plate yet. This is our first try and we feel it's important to create what we think is best. You can try and review it later.

Iím in

hello. Thank you for your attention.

I think $1000~1500 is for one-off keyboard. I suppose any keyboard groupbuy above $1000 just didn't get a reasonable quote from the manu.

Yes, not all keyboards have the same purpose.
We do not know the exact risk or QC scope for the factory.

  Therefore, we plan to make all products and proceed with instock. (This method helps to eliminate all problem elements. This means small quantity. Limited budget)

  In addition, there were no compromises in favor of design, material and structure processing.
This keyboard is not a universally reasonable keyboard.

Hello. When looking at a new endeavor, Don't necessarily have to buy it.
I feel very rewarding just for interest.
Thank you for your attention.
« Last Edit: Sun, 06 August 2023, 06:40:44 by DELLA KEY »

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 06 August 2023, 18:19:38 »
Where do you plan to announce that the sale will commence? I'm interested.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 09 August 2023, 20:30:49 »
Wow, looks so nice! Congrats DellaKey!
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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 10 August 2023, 04:00:13 »
I hope this won't be a raffle since I really, really like the idea of this

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 16 August 2023, 02:31:01 »
Where do you plan to announce that the sale will commence? I'm interested.

I will deliver the news through GeekHack and my Discord & Instagram.

Wow, looks so nice! Congrats DellaKey!

Thanks for your interest! I wish you all the best in your work too jesse :)

I hope this won't be a raffle since I really, really like the idea of this

Yes, but it's probably hard to avoid.
Some say first-come, first-served is reasonable.
Some say Raffle is reasonable.
we are contemplating.

Thanks for your interest

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 16 August 2023, 08:23:40 »
Hope this would hit $8-900 finally

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 18 August 2023, 20:43:10 »
Hope this would hit $8-900 finally

The factory said it was difficult to process.
It may be difficult to get the price down to that price range.
I understand the complaints about the price of this keyboard being too high.

Thank you for your interest.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 21 August 2023, 20:27:22 »
sheeshh that side profile

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 22 August 2023, 01:35:01 »
love heavy bois

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 01 September 2023, 08:13:20 »
sheeshh that side profile

Sorry I didn't understand.

love heavy bois

thank you. I'm still working on prototype v2.
Manufacturing the keyboard at the factory is taking longer than expected.

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Re: Della 960 - TKL F13 WKL (14/07/2023 - Prototype picture Update)
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 01 September 2023, 12:06:50 »
sheeshh that side profile

Sorry I didn't understand.
He is saying the side profile is very very nice. :D