[IC] DCS HACKED

[Rhienfo]

DCS HACKED

W1AT by Geonworks

IC FORM

DISCORD

Hello everyone, this is the IC for DCS Hacked. I was deeply inspired when I watched Persona 5 and saw the character futaba. I thought to myself, she is literally me, and I decided to base my entire life around this, since then I have watched Persona 5 once per week at minimum and have posters of Futaba up all over my wall. Truly Futaba is the best character in all of animation, possibly all of film as well.
/s

lol.

In all seriousness, the Inspiration is geekhack colours, in DCS. Which was chosen because DCS good and gorton legends good.

This uses stock colours and they are
Alphas  - GEW GVB
Modifiers - NN
Legends -  OAV OBJ

KITTING

Sorry if the renders are not that great, still pretty new to this and will improve my rendering skills.

Base Kit

This base kit accomodates the standard layouts for a tkl base kit (happy with the wording now...), which includes standard ansi, tsangan, along with 60%, 65%, alice and 40s now (keep in mind that the alice spacebars will be concave and not convex). Also has iso and mx hhkb support for the cool people who use them. (6u spacebar is centred, sorry for not including that)

Numpad Kit

Here is a numpad kit to accommodate the cool people who use it, pretty simple kit here.

PRICING


Keep in mind that it will be a bit more due to vendor costs, and I won't be making any money off the set to decrease the cost of it as well

Expected Questions

Why is there a separate numpad kit instead of one big kit?

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It's just far more economically viable to do a base and numpad for dcs. I like seeing complete sets as well but it only racks up cost for the base kit making it less appealing for everyone who wants in. Plus the prices at 25moq is hopefully fine for most people who want it. Another thing is that vendors who would want to pick up extras would prefer a cheaper manufacturing cost to order those extras.

Where is 40s, other spacebar types and other miscellaneous kitting?

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There are questions related to an extension and spacebar kit in the IC form, would like to add them both but would just like to see if people are interested first

Alps Kit?

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Probably not sadly because there isn't too much demand for dcs and even less for alps. Did put it in the IC just in case a lot of people would want it, which I do doubt. No Sadly, just not enough demand.

MORE RENDERS

Tried to do some renders again, definetly a lot better than my first attempts now that I have more of grasp of blender, still need to work on it though

Cake60 by Haytco

ISOGR by Alchemist Keyboards

ENDING NOTES
Please fill out the IC (if you want to of course) and if you like the project, join the discord I created for updates and discussion, and maybe spread the word if you want to see this get made.

Special thanks

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Carter for helping me out quite a bit, with his advice and providing the files that I wasn't good enough to make
Nostyle for helping me out with non render related questions and for being cool.
The people who helped me out with some of my questions in the keycap render kit discord
Some of the members of Snzagkeys for giving me initial thoughts and also some good suggestions
Druah for being very funny (please come back with the milk)
Densus for the new legends

IC FORM AGAIN

DISCORD AGAIN

Changes
Changed print to prt sc, 1u numpad 0 has the ins legend and del to delete.
Moved R1 End and PgDn to the numpad kit.
Added both a 6u bar and 3 key 40s into base.

added 2.00u into base kit.

Plans
Finalise Colours (have ordered a bunch of sp chips to compare with each other to see which one fits and is better)
Finalise Kitting.
Acquire some vendors for the project.
Maybe organize some artisan collabs.

[Sissy]

Best girl.

[subieboobies]

looks great, can't wait for this one

[twitchytheinsideman]

dcs good gmk bad

so this is like an orange dolch? cool

[twitchytheinsideman]

please include new 6u bar if you are already including 2x 1.5u super and 2x 1u alt in base

also please add to base instead of addon:
2u bar
3-key 40s
front print on nav keys
change Print to PrtSc

optional (for addon):
windowed keys
relegendables or macro keys
10u bar
bae

[Fraaaan]

R1 PgDn and R1 End can be moved from base to numpad kit since they're for 1800 layouts.

I assume the "shortbars" in base are 2.25u and 2.75u but it would be nice to label them and other larger keys because not everyone can eyeball keycap sizes.

Also the 1.25u Shift is missing the icon, probably just a rendering error.

GLWIC!

[MartinThePolarBear]

Finally a DCS Waifu Set

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[mr_foggy]

orange legends: 
dcs: 
essential kitting: 

I'm in

[Rhienfo]

R1 PgDn and R1 End can be moved from base to numpad kit since they're for 1800 layouts.

I assume the "shortbars" in base are 2.25u and 2.75u but it would be nice to label them and other larger keys because not everyone can eyeball keycap sizes.

Also the 1.25u Shift is missing the icon, probably just a rendering error.

GLWIC!

Yeah I moved them both to the numpad kit, yes they are 2.25 and 2.75u bars, put the labels there because it was kinda hard to see. And rerendered with the icon shift because that was a rendering mistake. Thanks for telling the suggestions and telling me about the mistake I made.

please include new 6u bar if you are already including 2x 1.5u super and 2x 1u alt in base

also please add to base instead of addon:
2u bar
3-key 40s
front print on nav keys
change Print to PrtSc

optional (for addon):
windowed keys
relegendables or macro keys
10u bar
bae

Will probably be adding front print to the nav keys that have it. About the other changes to kitting, I'll see how much people want the extension and the spacebar kits in the ic but especially adding 2.00u and 6.00u in base I am very much considering that in base. Will also get quotes with all the addon changes you've said to just see how much more expensive it is. Thanks for the suggestions as well.

[Oni]

Looks good, definitely in for a set if this gets made

[LightningXI]

Will keep an eye on this -- feedback looks good so far as far as basic kitting is concerned.

Would definitely consider the 6u in base as you are already including the 1.5u Supers.

[Piperaceae]

Very cool, reminds me a lot of the SA Hacked by Geeks set from... way too long ago

[Poesjuh]

I like it.

For $2 per kit more would you consider adding my besties:
Mod pipe
Mod tilde


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[smshark]

If you're really looking to reduce caps while maximizing compat, I'd say the 1.5u Super and 2nd 1u Alt should be cut from base. This is coming from a 6u HHKB user, I just don't find them to be necessary when everything else is the base kit is meant to provide maximum compatibility with the fewest keys possible.

[Hastura]

she geeks on my dcs til im hacked

[HoffmanMyster]

Very cool, reminds me a lot of the SA Hacked by Geeks set from... way too long ago

I thought that's what this was at first. Whether hacking by geeks or waifus, still a nice set.

[TerraKeycaps]

Hey! Do you want to collab and we can make you a metal artisan to match this set? Reach out to me! _._Luke on discord, @terrakeycaps on instagram

[konstantin]

I'd like to see mod pipe, mod tilde, R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn added to the base kit.

[Rhienfo]

Very cool, reminds me a lot of the SA Hacked by Geeks set from... way too long ago

I thought that's what this was at first. Whether hacking by geeks or waifus, still a nice set.

Yeah fair considering that's also based on geekhack colours, thanks for the kind words both of you.

(Also I made this post last night and that /s on the troll copypasta is not noticeable lol, probably best to change that.)

she geeks on my dcs til im hacked

Thanks Hastura...

[Rhienfo]

Small Update - 31/04/24

Changed the kitting a bit, added the 6u bar and 3 key 40s into the base kit. I also added a geekhack novelty key as well (figured out how to do custom legends, spoilers I could do them fine but I was being dumb and didn't export them properly) Will get new quotes on the updated kitting for more accuracy.

An extension kit is also planned as well, even though it's pretty early a lot of people are interested in one. Will get to work on planning and rendering that. The spacebar kit is quite even on the ic about interest in it so I'll wait til more people answer the IC in order to gauge whether it will be worth, especially since they are convex spacebars. There won't be alps kit, put that Idea out there and there wasn't even close to enough interest (which is fair enough)

[Space_Case88]

yes

[twitchytheinsideman]

On the 40s 1.75u backspace you can use the same legend as on the 2u, <-Backspace

[CPTBadAss]

Registering interest. GH colors are always appreciated

[FlashBombGod]

RESERVED

SUPER HYPED

[Rhienfo]

On the 40s 1.75u backspace you can use the same legend as on the 2u, <-Backspace

yeah, I changed it, I originally wanted the font to be consistent with the 1.5u backspace because I thought it was shorter, but yeah it matches up with the regular backspace better.

[Rob27shred]

Awesome work Rhienfo! I'll definitely be in for a set of this!

[Rhienfo]

Hello again. Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback and kind words on the IC, really appreciate it. Just gonna lay out what I've been doing for the last bit and the changes planned.

Kitting changes - I will be adding both 00 and 1u = to the numpad kit, that should be pretty much everything that would be needed to that kit, and stepped control will be added to the extension kit, forgot about that admittedly but understand why people would want it.

I have been updating the extension kit as well in this time, which was updated in the IC and I will planning on rendering it soon. Still waiting for quotes from when I said for the extension and also the updated kitting, minus the 00 and 1u = (my fault there apologies for that)

Speaking of renders, I have been experimenting with a different rendering system? (I think that's a better term), I've put a test version here to just show what it looks like (need to do the custom gh novelty and also try and improve the lighting) but these renders have less weird legends then the system I've been using and I think they will be promising. Will put up the base and numpad kits soon and extension will be put up when I sort of all that out since there is quite a bit more to that kit with stuff like bae and stepped alts and ctrls. Thanks to pontus for showing me this and helping me out, appriciate it a lot considering how new I am to rendering.

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As for the spacebar kit, I'll wait til my colour chips come here to confirm if there is. I have a set of gmk abs colour samples so if one of the colours matches up it might be best to just not include the spacebar kit (especially if it matches are close to something like 2b as sets like dualshot r2 have spacebar kits or at least the addon kit in stock on omnitypes website has them), it's almost even on interest in the IC again and I just want to see if there are other viable options, only because sp spacebars are concave instead of convex. Will keep everything updated when I decide on options.

One more thing. I have been thinking about buying some of the moq, I don't have too much spare income but even buying 10 or so sets will really help aid towards the moq, still will be tough considering how harsh it is for dcs sets so hopefully it can be reached.

if you haven't filled out the IC please consider doing that and if you want to join Rhiencord as I have called it for updates to this project when they come (and others when I decide to work on them, for now just doing dcs hacked but have some ideas I would like to do down the road)

Thanks again for all the support and interest in my project

[ppatches24]

RUSH RUSH

[Rob27shred]

Could you update the Discord invite when you have a chance? The one currently linked is expired.

[Rhienfo]

Could you update the Discord invite when you have a chance? The one currently linked is expired.

Should be fixed now

[Druah]

I have the milk now

[dvorcol]

You say in the OP "Why is there a separate numpad kit instead of one big kit? It's just far more economically viable to do a base and numpad for dcs."

Averaging US kit prices from 14 previous DCS GBs (7 Full Base, 7 TKL Base + Numpad) yields:
   $124 Full Base
   $121 TKL Base = $3 less than Full Base
   $30 Numpad
   $151 TKL + Numpad = $27 more than Full Base

Numpad orders were between 22% and 40% of TKL base orders.

What makes you say a Full base for DCS isn't economically viable?


EDIT: removed DCS Soware Revival because it didn't have Numpad at all

[Rhienfo]

You say in the OP "Why is there a separate numpad kit instead of one big kit? It's just far more economically viable to do a base and numpad for dcs."

Averaging US kit prices from 15 previous DCS GBs (8 Full Base, 7 TKL Base + Numpad) yields:
   $123 Full Base
   $121 TKL Base = $2 less than Full Base
   $30 Numpad
   $151 TKL + Numpad = $28 more than Full Base

Numpad orders were between 22% and 40% of TKL base orders.

What makes you say a Full base for DCS isn't economically viable?

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It was more in terms of demand vs pricing, dcs is mainly bought by enthusiasts imo as in the general population of keyboard enjoyers don't really buy dcs, which means that for numpad support demand is a lot lower, it's better to split them off in order to keep the costs down for the base, while still offering the numpad for the people who want it.

One of the big factors as well is that prices have gone up since 2022 to the point where it would be a substantial increase to the base kit (I talked about this in my discord as well)

Thanks for responding. I will continue to look into it in order to make it more viable for people, as I do want to run this set.

I have the milk now

thanks my goat.

[Flybeck]

I dont really like DCS typically, but I love how this set looks! Well done.

[Aethelberht]

Signature plastic is back?

[Rhienfo]

Signature plastic is back?

Signature plastics is still in operation and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, it's just that the business is currently up for sale.

[Piperaceae]

They're open, and soliciting new designs for runs later this year. (Source: me, who has one in manufacturing for an in-stock sale this fall). Last update sounded like there was an interested buyer, who intended to keep everything going, and invest in modernization.

[Cringelord]

DCS windowed keys are the best led keys - said me and maybe 3 other people. I'll buy this though.

[g00pey]

how good is DCS

[-_-]

omg

[Roguesoldier77]

DCS=Good
DCS+Gorton_Font=Excellent
:^)

[Rob27shred]

how good is DCS

As far as the quality goes it is excellent IME. However as far as how someone will like DCS caps, that is gonna come down way more to personal preference than anything else. They are pretty thin compared to any other high end keycaps which gives a fairly different sound & feel to say GMK or KKB caps. As much as I love me some DCS I would honestly say see if you can find a way to try some out before you buy a set.

[Roguesoldier77]

GEEK HACKED WHEN?

[boku]

Please hack me

[Seoeunmonster]

Perfect keycap set for geekhack IC. I hope the GB coming soon!

[theofficialsexychicken]

love the dcs representation and the colors looks great

[Rhienfo]

Hello, it’s been a while. Hope everyone had a happy holidays and new year

TLDR for why it's been so long since an update: my mental and physical state declined extremely over these months to the point where I didn’t have the energy to work on this, (I’m seeing a therapist now, got medication for adhd and my physical health has recovered). I also had to focus on another keycap gb that I did as well. I have been working on and off ever since I got better. Hope that's understandable for everyone.

There is a lot to discuss but I’ll try and make it as quick as possible.

First of all, here are some updated renders, thanks to densus who provided the files which better accurately show gorton legends, I have just done it for the existing base kit and numpad kit now but I will be working on the extension kit as well (and probably revisit these ones too, probably won’t be final renders).

I’ve also changed the colours which will be shown below, these more accurately reflect the renders, I have tried taking pictures but they aren’t very accurate so sorry about that, will try and take some more accurate ones eventually.

Alphas - GEW ----> GVB

Legends OAV ---->  OBJ (for now, may change this back, seems a lot more vibrant but it is not as orange)

Sadly I don’t think a spacebar kit will be running for this set (which is why 2.00u spacebar has been added to base kit), due to the pretty 50/50 demand on it but also what’s been going on with dcs in general. I have been keeping track of a lot of the other dcs sets at least as much as I could and talking to others about it and it has been disappointing to see that the demand for dcs just isn’t really there as shown with not disappointing sales of dcs intro. If sp makes concave bars then I would definitely reconsider.

I still want to run the other kits despite the less demand though, but not sure how I will approach, my main concern is about moqs, especially for child kits like a numpad kit/extension kit, but also pricing as well since 25moq pricing would be more prohibitive. I have considered doing the run myself as well (I have done a run before), but that would be far lower moq and also would consider cutting some stuff (though at least the base + numpad would get made in that scenario), will look into it of course.

Again Hope people understand why I haven’t been working on this are still interested in this project, cause it is still something I would love to see fulfilled at some point. Thanks for reading, join the discord too and I hope you have a good year.